Pay Kam

[RCATES]

Nick Foles on passes 15+ yards downfield Sun: 7-8, 175 yds, TD Seahawks were best in NFL at defending those in 2014: pic.twitter.com/kfYYXQQekg

No Kam......No problem guys. Right?

The one's who are against Kam getting paid I get it. I was in the same mindset last week. But its not only his play that is missed but this has become a huge distraction to this team. I don't care what PC says the hawks are distracted right now. The hearbreaking SB loss and now the loss of their defensive leader aka The Godfather. This isn't like the Harvin debacle which most players didn't like anyways. Several sources have come out and said that many players have gone to PC and JS and pleaded to bring KC back.

For the guy that keeps saying I'm pushing my agenda to get other's to follow. Piss off. I have no agenda. Just calling it like I see it. 90% of the media agree's.

 

[JAGHAWK]

I have nothing helpful to add to the Kam topic anymore. There is no way around this that has no repercussions. Even if he does come back, I can't imagine that it's ever be the same LOB. I mean, maybe the boom part, but not the "love my brothers" part.

Cue the sad violin solo. unno:

 

[Hawkfan77]

Nick Foles on passes 15+ yards downfield Sun: 7-8, 175 yds, TD Seahawks were best in NFL at defending those in 2014: pic.twitter.com/kfYYXQQekg

No Kam......No problem guys. Right?

The one's who are against Kam getting paid I get it. I was in the same mindset last week. But its not only his play that is missed but this has become a huge distraction to this team. I don't care what PC says the hawks are distracted right now. The hearbreaking SB loss and now the loss of their defensive leader aka The Godfather. This isn't like the Harvin debacle which most players didn't like anyways. Several sources have come out and said that many players have gone to PC and JS and pleaded to bring KC back.

For the guy that keeps saying I'm pushing my agenda to get other's to follow. Piss off. I have no agenda. Just calling it like I see it. 90% of the media agree's.

You seem to have an agenda. I bet you got it from the media

 

[Hawkfan77]

I have nothing helpful to add to the Kam topic anymore. There is no way around this that has no repercussions. Even if he does come back, I can't imagine that it's ever be the same LOB. I mean, maybe the boom part, but not the "love my brothers" part.

Cue the sad violin solo. unno:

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Again, all we did for Lynch was move 2M of 2015 roster bonus to 2014.

Kam only has 325k of roster bonus left on his deal, so please stop comparing the two. It's NOT the same, and NOT what Kam is asking for. Kam is asking that the majority of his 2017 salary be ALL paid in 2016. That's base salary, not roster bonus..................thus the terrible precedent not wanting to be set.

Understand? Cause I'm tired of explaining it.

I don't get why people can't understand this. I don't know if its laziness or ignorance or both. Its beyond frustrating when fans compare Kam to Lynch because the situation are not similar so thank you for posting and continually setting the record straight.

that's just it, they are similar, regardless of how much you don't want them to be.

They may not be identical, but the similarities are undeniable: both players under contact beyond the year in question and both players wanting money "moved" within the totality of their contract without increasing the total payout.

If you can't see the similarity you'r trying too hard not to.

There is no similarity.

Moving roster bonus does not change the structure or years of the contract. Thus why it's team friendly and doesn't set a bad precedent.

Name me one player in the history of the NFL that had three years left on their deal and the team has allowed the player to dictate terms of a new deal without having even played the 3rd year of a new deal, let alone 2nd year. It'd explode the entire contract structure of contracts for the entire league.

It's insanity on Kam's part. You can move roster bonus, you can waive fines, you can make some future money guaranteed (which is what we offered)............but you CANNOT restructure with three years left.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Field Gulls explained it perfectly.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-anal ... ahawks-nfl

 

[Hawknight]

Q13fox:

http://q13fox.com/2015/09/13/commentary ... -the-deal/

"We start by taking a closer look at the Kam Chancellor situation, which according to the NFL Network, is being stalled by a difference of $900,000.

Under his current contract, Chancellor is scheduled to make $5.1 million dollars next season, and $6.8 million in 2017. According to the report, Chancellor doesn’t want any new money – but he wants about $4 million moved up, so he’ll make $9 million next year. The Seahawks have offered to move up $3 million and pay him $8.1 million next year, hence the difference of $900K."

 

[drdiags]

The media can opine all they want, its what they do. The Seahawks have opted not to do what Kam wants. The fact is those same 90% that are saying the Seahawks have no choice but to give Kam some part of what he wants will be the first ones howling about how the Seahawks are setting a bad precedent.

What I could imagine comes out of all this is the team and Kam come to some type of resolution only to see him go on the IR with some type of soft tissue injury. To me, he is already on IR. Hoping he can come back later in the year if there is a chance to make the playoffs otherwise we will see how this works out over the off-season and before next year's TC.

 

[StoneCold]

Do not pay Kam. We will win next week and these threads will all go away.

I was understanding of Kam while it was pre season, but missing real games pisses me off.

This loss was like every other loss in the last few years. it wasn't a blow out. The outcome of the game turns on 3 or 4 plays. 3 points. people act like the season is over.

We will win next week and all these threads will go away.

Book it Danno!

 

[andyh64000]

Do not pay Kam. We will win next week and these threads will all go away.

I was understanding of Kam while it was pre season, but missing real games pisses me off.

This loss was like every other loss in the last few years. it wasn't a blow out. The outcome of the game turns on 3 or 4 plays. 3 points. people act like the season is over.

We will win next week and all these threads will go away.

Book it Danno!

I really hope you are right...but it won't change the fact that we are MUCH better with Kam than without and finding a resolution gives us the best chance for a trip to Super Bowl 50.

 

[WilsonMVP]

This isn't about wins or losses, it's about opening a Pandora's box of precedent caving into Kam's demands.

IF you pay Kam, then now or next off season you'll have 10-15 guys in John's office demanding new deals and future money moved into 2016 and 2017. It's a nightmare scenario for precedent, it's just not done.

I agree, it's all about precedent. One can't help but wonder if Kam/Bennett a result of caving* to Lynch last season? If so, it lends credence to the "don't set a precedent" idea.

* the front office claims they didn't "cave" to Lynch, that it was an unwritten agreement they had already, etc... hard to gauge the truth of that, though -- it might just be a spin they're putting on it in an attempt to pacify or deter future copycats. If they did cave, admitting it publicly does them zero good.

Lynch wasn't the first player to hold out under PC/JS. Chris Clemmons was prior to the start of 2012 season.

Clemons had 1 year left on his deal though, not 3 and Lynch was most likely actually going to retire. Kim's situation is not like those two.

If they cave to Kam, get ready for this garbage every off season with multiple players. Heck, Bennett might just walk out mid week and why not? I wouldn't blame him

So true on Bennet..if they caved on this..man..it would be so hard for him not to just sit out right then after actually showing up and being there while Kam abandons the team

 

[canfan]

It remains to be said that this team can fix his contract and have a shot at winning, or based on the results today, find that the secondary is going to be the new weakness.

Paying Kam won't fix everything but all those people that felt he was not very important better reassess.

I suspect that if we are 0-2 the drumbeat will get louder but right now, I think Kam has every right to demand they fix his contract if he provides that much significant value.

Then again, we lost our DC, so maybe a much less effective D is the new normal. Or the position Kris vacated to take the DC job is now really hurting.

But clearly with Kam we win this game, because Kam can (A) Tackle and (B) Cover. (Go back to the SB to see that great play he made in coverage and there is plenty of additional tape beyond that). Current replacements? Cannot TACKLE or COVER.

That lost us the game. A game we could have won with a competent OC, admittedly.

But clearly missing #31 hurt us and at this point is directly responsible for an L.

Well that and signing Cary Williams...

To me this is very simple. We can pay Kam and field the best possible team we can this year. OR the FO can stand their ground and field the best possible team for the next 5 years. To give into Kam for short term gain spells the beginning of the end for the core players of this team. They will all be holding out/demanding trades as soon as they feel they are outperforming their contracts. Can't run a team that way so Kam can sit with his thumb up his a$$ for the whole year as far as I'm concerned.

 

[WilsonMVP]

Nick Foles on passes 15+ yards downfield Sun: 7-8, 175 yds, TD Seahawks were best in NFL at defending those in 2014: pic.twitter.com/kfYYXQQekg

No Kam......No problem guys. Right?

The one's who are against Kam getting paid I get it. I was in the same mindset last week. But its not only his play that is missed but this has become a huge distraction to this team. I don't care what PC says the hawks are distracted right now. The hearbreaking SB loss and now the loss of their defensive leader aka The Godfather. This isn't like the Harvin debacle which most players didn't like anyways. Several sources have come out and said that many players have gone to PC and JS and pleaded to bring KC back.

For the guy that keeps saying I'm pushing my agenda to get other's to follow. Piss off. I have no agenda. Just calling it like I see it. 90% of the media agree's.

Maybe those players should talk to Kam instead for holding out while having 3 freaking years left on his contract

 

[c_hawkbob]

Field Gulls explained it perfectly.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-anal ... ahawks-nfl

I've read that article, read it last week when it came out, and it's a well written, sound argument for not negotiating with Kam this year (even though the author concedes that reports are that we have been doing exactly that). But it does nothing to support your insistence that there "is no similarity" between the Kam and Lynch situations.

The two similarities I outlined are not in question, they are the facts of the matter and by definition make the situations technically similar, at least to the degree specified. Ignoring a thing and insisting that it does not exist does not in fact cause to no longer exist.

Look, I get it, I really do. I think it would be a bad thing to negotiate after the first year of a 4 year extension (even though it be 2 years removed from it's signing) too, and I support the team taking a hard stance.

But that does NOT make me a villain for hoping for the situation to get resolved whether it be by Kam coming to his senses or by He and the team reaching a compromise. I don't think either scenario would slam any magic window shut and make us all the sudden suck.

 

[MVP53]

Q13fox:

http://q13fox.com/2015/09/13/commentary ... -the-deal/

"We start by taking a closer look at the Kam Chancellor situation, which according to the NFL Network, is being stalled by a difference of $900,000.

Under his current contract, Chancellor is scheduled to make $5.1 million dollars next season, and $6.8 million in 2017. According to the report, Chancellor doesn’t want any new money – but he wants about $4 million moved up, so he’ll make $9 million next year. The Seahawks have offered to move up $3 million and pay him $8.1 million next year, hence the difference of $900K."

I'm well aware of what the MEDIA says is taking place at the negotiating table, I just don't believe it's true.

Again, Seattle would be foolish to offer this and Kam would have to be completely out of his mind to not accept it if they did.

 

[andyh64000]

“At this point, a compromise potentially awaits but there is nothing now, pending the outcome of today’s game, that could change,” Rapoport said. “At this point, they are still at a stalemate despite players going into the offices of GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll and begging them [to] bring Kam Chancellor home. All of that being said, four weeks ago it seemed that they had a deal in place to bring Chancellor home and end his holdout – it fell apart. Depending on who you talk to, the accounts differ; one side got cold feet, the other side took too long to respond.”


This sucks...4 weeks ago. WTF. That must have been when Clayton reported on 710 that he though Kam would be in the following Monday.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Once the Hawks win on SNF kam will become a distant memory. He and his "pride" can stay in virginia for the rest of the year and his "career"

 

[MVP53]

“At this point, a compromise potentially awaits but there is nothing now, pending the outcome of today’s game, that could change,” Rapoport said. “At this point, they are still at a stalemate despite players going into the offices of GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll and begging them [to] bring Kam Chancellor home. All of that being said, four weeks ago it seemed that they had a deal in place to bring Chancellor home and end his holdout – it fell apart. Depending on who you talk to, the accounts differ; one side got cold feet, the other side took too long to respond.”


This sucks...4 weeks ago. WTF. That must have been when Clayton reported on 710 that he though Kam would be in the following Monday.

Well, of course the players want the team to cave. Improves their bargaining power next off season.

 

[tacomahawk]

I love how Rappaort is reporting like he witnessed all this happening. Like JS is just letting him chill in his office with his feet up. I don't believe a word of his BS.

 

[ptisme]

Kam needs to get back in there now. I want you all at FULL strength for the pay back up at Lambeau!!!