Mariners @ Blue Jays Apr 18-20, '25

[Crizilla]

This lineup just plain sucks. If only they had 2009 Russell Branyan with his 30 bombs & nearly .900 OPS instead of this Rowdy Tellez fat slob.

Forgot about that dude. He was solid.

 

[Chapow]

Lombard - 102 pitches in just 4 innings, Ace my ass.

He needs to be more efficient than he's been his last couple of starts, for sure.

That said, a 2.38 ERA and 0.66 WHIP are very good numbers for a starting pitcher. He also just tacked on 9 more K's to his top ten in the league strikeout total.

So yeah, he's absolutely an ace, despite your ass.

 

[Crizilla]

Garver Tellez Solano
It's not even like these guys are hitting .200 with an OBP of .300. Not even that.

 

[Chapow]

Tellez is looking like a real nice pick up. Great job as usual by Jerry.

 

[Goldfinger 007]

He needs to be more efficient than he's been his last couple of starts, for sure.

That said, a 2.38 ERA and 0.66 WHIP are very good numbers for a starting pitcher. He also just tacked on 9 more K's to his top ten in the league strikeout total.

So yeah, he's absolutely an ace, despite your ass.

I NEVER said I didn't like him. He's been my favorite since he entered the organization, so stop being emotional, he isn't going to invite you over to hang out with him EVER, so chill. He's still my favorite & all the trade talk in the off-season involving him was horrifying. And NO, 5 innings a start is NOT ace material guy. Clearly his isn't REALLY a #1 & that's ok, he's a solid #2 at this point. His increase in K's has obviously led to way more pitches earlier & LESS innings, which is BAD.

 

[Goldfinger 007]

Garver Tellez Solano
It's not even like these guys are hitting .200 with an OBP of .300. Not even that.

They're all SO BAD. All 3 are totally clueless except Rowdy does a Vogy every 20 AB's & connects for a useless solo HR.

 

[Goldfinger 007]

Lomart - 102 pitches in just 4 innings, Ace my ass.

There's people on here who think 100 pitches & struggling through a whopping FIVE innings is superstar material

 

[Azvacar]

There's people on here who think 100 pitches & struggling through a whopping FIVE innings is superstar material

There is also people here who think through an entire season any "superstar/ace" material pitcher doesn't have off games. While striking out nine, and only giving up one run....

 

[Chapow]

I NEVER said I didn't like him. He's been my favorite since he entered the organization, so stop being emotional, he isn't going to invite you over to hang out with him EVER, so chill. He's still my favorite & all the trade talk in the off-season involving him was horrifying. And NO, 5 innings a start is NOT ace material guy. Clearly his isn't REALLY a #1 & that's ok, he's a solid #2 at this point. His increase in K's has obviously led to way more pitches earlier & LESS innings, which is BAD.

That post wasn't a response to you or anything you said. Generally when someone quotes a post, that is the comment they are replying to. Maybe go back and look at the post I quoted before throwing one of your little tantrums.

Speaking of getting emotional, calm down TIMD. You get so upset anytime anyone says anything you disagree with.

 

[Azvacar]

Tellez is looking like a real nice pick up. Great job as usual by Jerry.

Did you see him stonewall the runner who went down for 2 minutes? lol

Then the Grand Slam Jack in extras... we just need some consistency from everyone and its not a too shabby team.. We really do need some kinda mid season acquisition though another 2nd baseman?

 

[Goldfinger 007]

That post wasn't a response to you or anything you said. Generally when someone quotes a post, that is the comment they are replying to. Maybe go back and look at the post I quoted before throwing one of your little tantrums.

Speaking of getting emotional, calm down TIMD. You get so upset anytime anyone says anything you disagree with.

Is FOUR innings for a SP ACE material?

 

[Chapow]

Did you see him stonewall the runner who went down for 2 minutes? lol

Then the Grand Slam Jack in extras... we just need some consistency from everyone and its not a too shabby team.. We really do need some kinda mid season acquisition though another 2nd baseman?

That has to feel awfully good for the guy. I mean, he's hitting like .100 on the season and just hit into a DP with a runner on 3rd and only 1 out in his previous AB.

So yeah, credit where credit is due. Great job by Tellez absolutely annihilating that ball and giving the M's a 5 run lead.

I still think he's a pretty awful player overall and a liability both in the field and at the plate.

 

[Crizilla]

Lol Rowdy went Griffey mode with that home run swing

 

[Chapow]

Is FOUR innings for a SP ACE material?

I tend to look at other things besides solely how many innings a guy pitched in his last outing when coming to any conclusions regarding how good a pitcher he is.

 

[Steve Hawk]

Honestly, at this point I think they should put JP in the lead off spot, for a couple of reasons. One, OBP is more important than BA for a lead off hitter in my opinion, and JP has a very good OBP of .375 so far. Two, in his best season by far (2023), he hit in the lead off spot the vast majority of that season. Maybe being back in that spot will help him regain some of his form from that season.

For me, this is how I'd set the lineup for now.

1. JP
2. Moore
3. Polanco
4. Cal
5. Randy
6. Julio
7. Williamson
8. Raley/Tellez/Solano/whatever
9. Mastrobuoni

I would be good with that line up. As you pointed out, JP had a career year in the leadoff spot and his BB's and OBP is near the top on the team.
I like Dylans speed at the top of the order is my reason for having him at the top. His .308 and .368 looks good too.

 

[IndyHawk]

There's people on here who think 100 pitches & struggling through a whopping FIVE innings is superstar material

Correct and they forgot what a real ace is, aces eat up innings.
Lomart to me is a 3rd at best until he learns how to use less pitches
per inning, he could eventually and save his arm and the BP.

 

[IndyHawk]

There is also people here who think through an entire season any "superstar/ace" material pitcher doesn't have off games. While striking out nine, and only giving up one run....

Off games happen but even last season I was complaining about Lomo's
pitch count, it's high whether on or off.
It depletes the BP and puts wear and tear on his arm, he needs to learn
how to pitch less and go 7 or more.

 

[sutz]

The Jays have a lineup full of guys who make tons of contact, and with that fast infield a lot of balls get through to the outfield for hits. For all of the whining about Logan, he kept them from crossing the plate for the most part and kept us in the game. It's April. Lots of ball to play.

Tellez is certainly maddening. Certainly iced this one with that GS in the 12th after going 0-5. Go figure.

Kind of nice to enjoy Mariners baseball in April. Hasn't happened much the last few years.

 

[Chapow]

Correct and they forgot what a real ace is, aces eat up innings.
Lomart to me is a 3rd at best until he learns how to use less pitches
per inning, he could eventually and save his arm and the BP.

Would you say that the most innings pitched in all of MLB qualifies as eating up innings? Because that's what Logan did just last season.

Again, yes, he needs to be more efficient with his pitch count than he's been his last couple of starts. But again, a whole bunch of his other numbers indicate he's still an elite pitcher.

I just think it's really odd to completely ignore what he did last year, and ignore all of his very good stats from this year, and focus solely on the fact that he he hasn't gone deep in his past couple of starts. That's just a super strange way to judge a pitcher, imo.

 

[Azvacar]

Off games happen but even last season I was complaining about Lomo's
pitch count, it's high whether on or off.
It depletes the BP and puts wear and tear on his arm, he needs to learn
how to pitch less and go 7 or more.

119 -> 185 -> 190 -> 208 IP per year... Looks to me like he's learning? I think my issue with some of these sentiments is as if 20 games in is some how Logan Gilbert never knew how to improve his game? Which is kind of what you are insinuating

Is Skubal the Cy Young Winner not an Ace then? I ask seriously 32->139->112->(Wont include the 80 this year because he was on IL For over 2 months)->198

Chris Sale only has 4 seasons of over 200

Corbin Burnes One over 200 other same as Logan at 180s 190s etc

Paul Skenes people are saying is the next "Megastar" (all this hoopla is over blown but) He averaged 5.7 innings per game last year in 23 starts.. but.. hes an Ace

The definition of an "Ace" and your reliance on the Innings pitched stat is just where I guess some of us disagree.