MacDonald riding with Geno

[toffee]

I just asked a question. Thats all.

We should bring Lock back.

Logical deductions are not "in" on dot net, you ought to know it by now.

 

[warden]

27 pages of opinions and rants are not going to change the fact that Geno is going to be our starting Quarterback next year. Doesn’t matter if you like it or not.

 

[Double Tribble]

If he can win 10 games with no line, no running game and no coordinator, why cant he win 3 more?

By that logic, there is no such thing as a sub par qb then. No qb would be responsible for their inability to lead their team to a championship because even the worst qb would just be a victim of his circumstances, as opposed to simply not being good enough.

 

[keasley45]

By that logic, there is no such thing as a sub par qb then. No qb would be responsible for their inability to lead their team to a championship because even the worst qb would just be a victim of his circumstances, as opposed to simply not being good enough.

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Only in seattle is being near league worst in every category necessary for an offense to function and a qb to perform 'an excuse'.

I dont know what it is you are arguing and i have asked repeatedly across several threads - how good should Geno SHOULD be and how many games we SHOULD have won with the coordinators we have had and the o line and running game production we have seen.

Folks are quick to point out redzone mistakes or whatever other errors are envogue to latch onto that Geno has made but few give seemingly ANY consideration to the fact that we have either been in the playoffs or on the cusp of the playoffs the last three years when nothing else about our offense except the passing game has worked. Nothing.

Was the offensive line responsible for even getting us nine wins?

Was Kenneth Walker responsible for getting us 10?

Was it our ingenious scheme that positioned us to win games we shouldnt have?

The answer to all of those questions is absolutely NOT.

And our O line SHOULD have generated a losing record, honestly, particularly in 2022 and 2023 when we matched it and one of the worst run games in the league with one of the worst defenses.

So serious question for you and anyone else who is on the GeNo bus.

Seahawks aside -

If i told you that a team fielded the worst defense, a bottom 4 oline, and bottom 4 run game, how many games would you say that team would win in a seventeen game season?

Just play along.

30th defense
27th ranked O line
30th ranked Run game.
And
Coordinators who werent qualified to run an offense.

Whats the over / under on wins you should expect for THAT team?

It would be cool if folks could answer that. Because the argument about what Geno is literally starts and stops there and we havent even touched the pass game.

THAT team shouldnt sniff 6 games. How can you? You cant stop anyone, you cant control the clock and you cant protect the qb enough to actually run a play, or open holes for a rb.

How do you even win 6?

Yet, with THAT garbage we went to the playoffs once and had a winning record two years straight.

The only thing that improved across those areas in 2024 was the defense, and that bought us one more win.

There is only one other place you can assign responsibility to if THAT team wins more than 6 games and is actually competitive.

The QB.

And that QB is playing with one of the 2 worst combo o lines and running games in the league. And last i checked, the other QB in Cincy who is strapped with the same deficiencies also didnt make the playoffs, but his OC still has his job.

 

[Subzero717]

Maybe the Geno/Goff comps are valid after all.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Goff jock riders right now

 

[Ozzy]

Goff jock riders right now

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Nah smart people look at the whole body of work. Every great QB has terrible games from time to time. He needs to show up in the second half though.

This is still one of the greatest gifs of all time

 

[ruffENrowdy]

Goff jock riders right now

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Yeah man, he almost has as many picks lol. But over 10 more tds? Must be the online and defense that didn't allow grno to do that

 

[Rat]

Goff is definitely overrated. Glad we're not paying him what the Lions are. Wouldn't want to be paying Geno anything remotely close to what Goff is getting either.

 

[keasley45]

Nah smart people look at the whole body of work. Every great QB has terrible games from time to time. He needs to show up in the second half though.

This is still one of the greatest gifs of all time

He is a good qb with a great line and great coordinator on a stacked team that has been stockpiling talent for a while.

Well, at least that's McVay's opinion. I tend to agree.

 

[CallMeADawg]

He is a good qb with a great line and great coordinator on a stacked team that has been stockpiling talent for a while.

Well, at least that's McVay's opinion. I tend to agree.

Yep

 

[Ozzy]

He is a good qb with a great line and great coordinator on a stacked team that has been stockpiling talent for a while.

Well, at least that's McVay's opinion. I tend to agree.

I think he’s improved a ton since leaving the Rams and I think the Lions are thrilled to have him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Still better than geDIOCRE. One bad game won't change that.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I think he’s improved a ton since leaving the Rams and I think the Lions are thrilled to have him.

I think he's the same guy. He had some huge years on the Rams, couple of times he was even in MVP conversations. It really is no coincidence that when Stafford came on board they were able to get over the hump though. His statline may have not been as gaudy as Goff's this year, but 9 times out of 10 I'm taking Stafford over Goff. His ability to adjust at the LOS and with the flow of the game is something that Goff lacks. Stafford is also a guy that thrives in bad conditions.

The issue with Goff is at times he's struggled reading defenses. He's not very good at the procedural part of the game. While he was a Ram, McVay was doing the pre-snap work over the headphones. He also tends to break down when the game is on his shoulders in big situations. Goff is by no means a bad QB, but he certainly isn't what I would call elite.

 

[Double Tribble]

My second issue with this is that you are essentially arguing for tanking which past results have shown doesn't work in the NFL.

I respectfully disagree. Taking a swing on a new qb, not knowing if he'll win three games or 13, isn't tanking, as long as you're trying to win games. When we drafted Russ, that could be construed as tanking if he cratered his first year. But he didn't. And that's the whole enchilada right there. You have to swing the bat to hit a home run. Hell, even rolling with Geno can be construed as tanking in a sense since we all know going in there's very little chance of him taking us to a sb. Tanking for purgatory yes, but still, not exactly swinging for the fences.

 

[Chukarhawk]

heard some interesting stats from Hugh Millen on Geno

1. Red zone completion percentage 27th
2. Red zone passer rating 34
3. Air yards to sticks (are his passes to sticks or beyond) 39th out of 43 QBs. Checkdown Charlie.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I respectfully disagree. Taking a swing on a new qb, not knowing if he'll win three games or 13, isn't tanking, as long as you're trying to win games. When we drafted Russ, that could be construed as tanking if he cratered his first year. But he didn't. And that's the whole enchilada right there. You have to swing the bat to hit a home run. Hell, even rolling with Geno can be construed as tanking in a sense since we all know going in there's very little chance of him taking us to a sb. Tanking for purgatory yes, but still, not exactly swinging for the fences.

Picking to run with a worse option at QB because you know you'll lose more games and thus increase your draft spot is tanking. Of course, the players aren't going to tank. That hurts their bottom line, let alone professional pride. But going 'let's run with Howell and hope we get 5-7 wins' knowing you could get more IS tanking. And this doesn't work at the NFL level.

The Russ comparison doesn't work because we didn't start him thinking he'd lose more games. We started him thinking he'd win more. That's not tanking.

Geno has been the focal point of two back-to-back top 10 offenses. The average Super Bowl winner's offense is ranked 7th (I.E. top 10, but not top 5) since we went to the SB. If we could have married our 2022 or 2023 offense with our current defense, it would be completely realistic to think the Seahawks could still be playing next weekend. The reason why there is 'very little chance' of him taking us to a SB is the same reason it's small for everyone... only 2 QBs get to go every year.

Drew Brees was a starter for 8 years before he went to a Super Bowl. Matt Ryan 9. Matt Stafford 13 years. Aaron Rodgers has been in the league for 20 years; he's only been to a Super Bowl once. Lamar Jackson still hasn't been to a Super Bowl, and he's been the MVP twice (and probably should be again).

heard some interesting stats from Hugh Millen on Geno

1. Red zone completion percentage 27th
2. Red zone passer rating 34
3. Air yards to sticks (are his passes to sticks or beyond) 39th out of 43 QBs. Checkdown Charlie.

The Red Zone stuff, I think we all agree we struggled there this year, and Geno was a definite part of it, but that third stat needs some context.

Geno was actually tied with Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes for 37th in the AYTS stat, but he actually ranks higher in his average intended air yards than either of those guys (and is above other folks like Jared Goff and Kyler Murray). Why? Because the Seahawks had the highest average yards to go on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.

And, you might be shocked to learn (but probably not), Geno being so low on AYTS is an anomaly compared to both 2022 and 2023.
Play calling actually matters a lot here. Grubb routinely would not scheme intermediate success routes in a lot of his plays. He would have a bunch of guys going past the sticks and then a checkdown. So, either he throws past the sticks (fantastic if you have the time and the guys get open, which is a problem when your O-Line sucks and your play calling is predictable) or you checkdown way behind the sticks.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Bad decision making is bad decision making. No matter how you attempt to spin it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Picking to run with a worse option at QB because you know you'll lose more games and thus increase your draft spot is tanking. Of course, the players aren't going to tank. That hurts their bottom line, let alone professional pride. But going 'let's run with Howell and hope we get 5-7 wins' knowing you could get more IS tanking. And this doesn't work at the NFL level.

I get what your saying, but how does anybody "know" what the results would be? The odds are against it, but I would be fine throwing a rookie out there to the wolves.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I think you know the answer to that question, brother.