Lynch or Russell W - who is more valuable to the Seahawks?

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Without a gun to my head I'd say this question does a disservice to the importance of each person comprising our entire organization in regard to maintaining a successful process and all its glorious results. With a gun to my head I'd have to say Russell Wilson without a single bit of hesitation. His age and the position he plays can pretty much make this choice for me, as it should and seems to for most of us here as well (when we aren't copping out of the question at least).

 

[scutterhawk]

why is this even a question.

This^ The OP would have us believe that we could just have Wilson take a seat, put Tarvaris Jackson in there to hand the ball of to ML, and the Seahawks Offense wouldn't miss a beat? SMH.

Just a tip....it helps to read the whole post before commenting. I said this in the original post - I think it's suffice to say that both players feed off each other and both are valuable in their own respects.

How does that make anyone believe that I feel Lynch is more important that Russell Wilson? I said both are equally important to the team. I started this thread to open a discussion....folks if you don't like a thread you don't have to participate in it. If you don't like it, then why are you responding to it? Those of you who have responded in earnest, thank you. I appreciate and respect your opinions.

I couldn't be more "Earnest", it's Wilson, hands down.
Your original post says that you think that they are equal, and I'm saying that I just don't agree, thus, there's no question, and no debate in my mind.
If you think that I was disrespecting your opinion, I was not.
Didn't you asked for opinions?
Ask a question, and then get bent out of shape with someone disagreeing with your assessment. go figure.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Its Wilson because of his position. You just can't remove that correlation and then compare him to Lynch who plays a vital position himself.

 

[pmedic920]

It's like making a dish by recipe and leaving out an ingredient.

Might still be edible, but not ultimately the same.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I refuse to answer because neither is less valuable to the offense.

Exactly. That's like asking which big toe you'd prefer to lose if forced to pick.

This is easy, it's the left.

I think everyone agrees they are both near/at the top of the league in their positions. Sometimes I don't think Russell would get going if it was not for Lynch kick starting the offence with monster runs out of nothing plays something only he could do. Also no one finishes a game like Wilson so it's impossible to choose who is more valuable as they are equally so.

However If I have to choose a toe, it would be Beast.

I liked your reply. But chances are you're not going to be very good at the dance with either toe missing.

 

[Tical21]

I think it is Lynch by quite a ways. He is the heart. He makes entire defenses gameplan for him. He brings that extra guy into the box. He makes the playaction game possible. He opens up Russ's read option game. He makes opposing players focus on him rather than concentrate on stopping everything else. The other part is that he slows down the game and makes each play more important, giving the team with the better defense the advantage.

I think if we had just about any above average passing QB that could run it well, we would have pretty similar results. I finally put some time in the lab watching the playoff and Super Bowl games, and honestly Russell was downright disappointing. He can beat cover 0. He can throw a very good deep ball against cover 1. But for the most part, the rest of the time, he relies on Bevell to trick the defense to get somebody open or relies on his feet to buy time to make a play. If you come out in cover-1 against us, we're in big trouble, and it isn't as much on the receivers as I thought. They don't get wide open, but they get open enough to get balls into. And he looks just as lost against zone. Our quarterback is gunshy. He is slow to decipher the defenses, and he is gunshy. He's a pretty magical athlete, but I don't think he's ever going to be capable of being a prolific passer.

When Lynch leaves, we will find our answer. We're probably going to have to throw it considerably more. My guess is that it doesn't work out all that well.

 

[ringless]

Does anyone know when the new Wilson contract will be done by? Any thoughts? I would have thought before the 10th but I guess I was wrong

 

[grizbob]

I like grits and eggs.

 

[Ozzy]

I think it is Lynch by quite a ways. He is the heart. He makes entire defenses gameplan for him. He brings that extra guy into the box. He makes the playaction game possible. He opens up Russ's read option game. He makes opposing players focus on him rather than concentrate on stopping everything else. The other part is that he slows down the game and makes each play more important, giving the team with the better defense the advantage.

I think if we had just about any above average passing QB that could run it well, we would have pretty similar results. I finally put some time in the lab watching the playoff and Super Bowl games, and honestly Russell was downright disappointing. He can beat cover 0. He can throw a very good deep ball against cover 1. But for the most part, the rest of the time, he relies on Bevell to trick the defense to get somebody open or relies on his feet to buy time to make a play. If you come out in cover-1 against us, we're in big trouble, and it isn't as much on the receivers as I thought. They don't get wide open, but they get open enough to get balls into. And he looks just as lost against zone. Our quarterback is gunshy. He is slow to decipher the defenses, and he is gunshy. He's a pretty magical athlete, but I don't think he's ever going to be capable of being a prolific passer.

When Lynch leaves, we will find our answer. We're probably going to have to throw it considerably more. My guess is that it doesn't work out all that well.

After watching and rewatching tape I don't think I could disagree more on your opinion on Wilson. just have to agree to disagree

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Without Wilson our offense is Minnesota. Look what they have done with a superior running back and an average Quarterback. No thanks!

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

It's Wilson and it's not even close. QB in the modern game is much more valuable than RB. If you don't have an elite QB you can't compete for SB's. I love lynch but the answer is Wilson.

Count me down for this as well.

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Does anyone know when the new Wilson contract will be done by? Any thoughts? I would have thought before the 10th but I guess I was wrong

A lot of speculation it's already agreed on but no one knows for sure.

 

[Veilside]

Wilson and it's not even a debate for me. The guy contributed around 30% of our running game and 100% of our passing game. The math isn't hard.

Given some more reliable targets I think Wilson could make up for not having the box stacked for Lynch. Baldwin is currently the best he has but it's not enough yet. Get well soon P Rich.

 

[Tical21]

Wilson and it's not even a debate for me. The guy contributed around 30% of our running game and 100% of our passing game. The math isn't hard.

Given some more reliable targets I think Wilson could make up for not having the box stacked for Lynch. Baldwin is currently the best he has but it's not enough yet. Get well soon P Rich.

100% of the 27th most productive passing offense in the NFL. We can also give Kaepernick credit for being 100% of the 30th most productive passing offense in the NFL.

The passing offense was the 27th most productive. The rushing offense was #1 by a huge margin.

 

[Anthony!]

Wilson and it's not even a debate for me. The guy contributed around 30% of our running game and 100% of our passing game. The math isn't hard.

Given some more reliable targets I think Wilson could make up for not having the box stacked for Lynch. Baldwin is currently the best he has but it's not enough yet. Get well soon P Rich.

100% of the 27th most productive passing offense in the NFL. We can also give Kaepernick credit for being 100% of the 30th most productive passing offense in the NFL.

The passing offense was the 27th most productive. The rushing offense was #1 by a huge margin.

The running game would have been 15th without Wilson so nice try. And of course using only yards to measure your passing game is pathetic since we all know yards is a by product of attempts and we throw less.

Rw 100% passing
RW 31% of Rushing
Rw 30% of rushing TDs
RW 65% of tds
Rw 32% of rushing First downs
Rw 47% of the runs over 20 yards
Rw 6th in tam Passing YPA
RW 8th in Team QB rating
RW 9th total offense scoring
RW 5th in Ofensive eff 17.7
RW 10th in pass offensive eff
Rw top 10 Offensive DVOA

This statement "I think if we had just about any above average passing QB that could run it well, we would have pretty similar results." makes it clear your agenda it also proves you really do not get how important Rw is to this offense.


Yeah its Rw period

 

[scutterhawk]

Wilson and it's not even a debate for me. The guy contributed around 30% of our running game and 100% of our passing game. The math isn't hard.

Given some more reliable targets I think Wilson could make up for not having the box stacked for Lynch. Baldwin is currently the best he has but it's not enough yet. Get well soon P Rich.

100% of the 27th most productive passing offense in the NFL. We can also give Kaepernick credit for being 100% of the 30th most productive passing offense in the NFL.

The passing offense was the 27th most productive. The rushing offense was #1 by a huge margin.

Another swing and miss.
The Seahawks are a RUN FIRST OFFENSE..... again, a RUN FIRST OFFENSE...., What that means, is that if we had another player LIKE Tate, or LIKE Rice, those numbers go way up, remember the 2013 passing game in Chicago?

 

[hawksurething]

Wilson and it's not even a debate for me. The guy contributed around 30% of our running game and 100% of our passing game. The math isn't hard.

Given some more reliable targets I think Wilson could make up for not having the box stacked for Lynch. Baldwin is currently the best he has but it's not enough yet. Get well soon P Rich.

100% of the 27th most productive passing offense in the NFL. We can also give Kaepernick credit for being 100% of the 30th most productive passing offense in the NFL.

The passing offense was the 27th most productive. The rushing offense was #1 by a huge margin.

The running game would have been 15th without Wilson so nice try. And of course using only yards to measure your passing game is pathetic since we all know yards is a by product of attempts and we throw less.

Rw 100% passing
RW 31% of Rushing
Rw 30% of rushing TDs
RW 65% of tds
Rw 32% of rushing First downs
Rw 47% of the runs over 20 yards
Rw 6th in tam Passing YPA
RW 8th in Team QB rating
RW 9th total offense scoring
RW 5th in Ofensive eff 17.7
RW 10th in pass offensive eff
Rw top 10 Offensive DVOA

This statement "I think if we had just about any above average passing QB that could run it well, we would have pretty similar results." makes it clear your agenda it also proves you really do not get how important Rw is to this offense.


Yeah its Rw period

Both are important. But You WON this debate hands down !!!

 

[Sherman4Prez]

Wilson is a product of what Lynch does more times t han not. If Lynch had left then this team would have been a mess. Can't replace Lynch, not here. But an OK QB that puts up OK numbers could have had similiar success to Wilson. Drop off would not have been very steep.

Lynch

 

[Ambrose83]

Wilson is a product of what Lynch does more times t han not. If Lynch had left then this team would have been a mess. Can't replace Lynch, not here. But an OK QB that puts up OK numbers could have had similiar success to Wilson. Drop off would not have been very steep.

Lynch

that is insanely wrong on so many levels........ SMH......

 

[Anthony!]

Wilson is a product of what Lynch does more times t han not. If Lynch had left then this team would have been a mess. Can't replace Lynch, not here. But an OK QB that puts up OK numbers could have had similiar success to Wilson. Drop off would not have been very steep.

Lynch

To bad the facts and stats show you are wrong. FYI we had that it got us no place. IS it any wonder Lynch's best years came after Wilson came HMM.

 

[chris98251]

Wilson is a product of what Lynch does more times t han not. If Lynch had left then this team would have been a mess. Can't replace Lynch, not here. But an OK QB that puts up OK numbers could have had similiar success to Wilson. Drop off would not have been very steep.

Lynch

To bad the facts and stats show you are wrong. FYI we had that it got us no place. IS it any wonder Lynch's best years came after Wilson came HMM.

Pretty sure it has more to do with having a run first philosophy here instead of trying to force the passing game with suspect lines and a system that has been broken in Buffalo since Marv Levy retired.