Kellen Davis- Anthony McCoy Comparison

[Pandion Haliaetus]

KD: 6’7, 265-270, 27, 4 years total experience in 5 years since drafted (5R-2008)
AM: 6’5, 260-265, 25, 2 years total experience in 4 years since drafted (6R-2010)

Total Experience, Games Started/Games Played
KD: 4 Years, 35 Games/ 64 Regular Season Games (Bears)
AM: 2 Years, 14 Starts/ 32 Regular Season Games (Seahawks)

Career Stats:
KD: 47 Rec, 529 Yards, 11.3 Avg 11 TDs
AM: 31 Rec, 437 Yards, 14.1 Avg, 3 TDs

2011 + 2012 stats;

KD: 30 starts, 32 games, 37 catches/79 Targets (47%), 435 Yards, 11.7 Avg, 7 TDs, 24 First Downs
84% of catches/39% of his targets account for either a TD or FD.

AM: 14 starts, 32 games, 31 catches/51 Targets (61%), 437 Yards, 14.1 Avg, 3 TDs, 20 First Downs
74% of catches/45% of his targets account for either a TD or FD.

Combine/Pro Day Comparison
Kellen Davis (Anthony McCoy)

WT: 262 (259)
ARM: 32 1/8 inches (34 inches)
HAND: 9 3/8 inches (10 3/8 inches)
40: 4.59s (4.71s)
20: 2.62s (2.72s)
10: 1.53s (1.66s)
BP: 22 Reps (19 Reps)
VJ: 34 inches (35.5 inches)
BJ: 9 Ft 10 inches (9 Ft 5 inches)
SH: 4.38s (4.57s)
3C: 7.25s (6.99s)

Analysis:
McCoy has a better success rate than Davis but Davis seems to make the most out of the catches he does hang on to. Also, note that McCoy has had more big catches than Davis whose single game high is 62 yards and longest catch is 32 yards. Compared to McCoy, who has put up 105 yards in a game, converting a 67 yard pass.
Davis also possess more athleticism of the two but McCoy has a bigger catch radius and better footwork. Other than that KD is bigger, faster, and stronger which leads me to believe he would be the better blocker of the two. Kellen Davis has more starts thus more experience than McCoy, where Davis was used more in a Blocking Capacity than he was in a Receiving one.

As I said in the Davis thread, what it boils down to is… is that Davis is pretty much McCoy without the upside. An average bug serviceable player with plus blocking ability and a knack for making clutch plays on the catches he DOES convert.

 

[pcbball12]

I agreed with pretty much the entire post except the last few sentences. How does Davis not have the upside that Mccoy has when he is not only bigger, but also stronger and faster? To me, that says his upside is greater just based on physical ability and size alone.

 

[DavidSeven]

I agreed with pretty much the entire post except the last few sentences. How does Davis not have the upside that Mccoy has when he is not only bigger, but also stronger and faster? To me, that says his upside is greater just based on physical ability and size alone.

This might be true if Davis hadn't already been in the league for a number of years and shown absolutely nothing. He was given a shot as the primary TE in Chicago and basically did worse than any TE in Bears history. I wouldn't say McCoy has a ton of upside, but he hasn't been given the same opportunity as Davis.

Davis also has a rep for being lazy, so I challenge OP's notion that he would be a better blocker than McCoy just because his measureables are better. And to me, the difference in catch-rate says it all. This fan base has killed McCoy for his drops, but his catch-rate is significantly higher than Davis's. Just think about that.

 

[mikeak]

More touchdowns per yer - UPGRADE FO does it again

Things like other WRs / TEs, formations, what QB is throwing the ball, how good is the offensivelin etc sometimes impacts stats for WRs and TEs and makes these comparisons pretty hard to do on paper

 

[FlyingGreg]

Players with upside don't get released by the Cleveland Browns.

Signed,
Evan Moore

 

[MysterMatt]

I'm hoping he somehow manages to redeem himself and see this as a golden opportunity to save his career. Of course, I felt the same about Moore.

 

[pcbball12]

Players with upside don't get released by the Cleveland Browns.

Signed,
Evan Moore

To me, upside can wear itself out with an organization when the player just isn't getting it. There is little doubt that the upside was there with Evan Moore, he just is a guy that couldn't put the pieces together. Same could be true of Davis, but the upside is there and that is why I think our FO are kicking the tires on this one.

 

[pcbball12]

I agreed with pretty much the entire post except the last few sentences. How does Davis not have the upside that Mccoy has when he is not only bigger, but also stronger and faster? To me, that says his upside is greater just based on physical ability and size alone.

This might be true if Davis hadn't already been in the league for a number of years and shown absolutely nothing. He was given a shot as the primary TE in Chicago and basically did worse than any TE in Bears history. I wouldn't say McCoy has a ton of upside, but he hasn't been given the same opportunity as Davis.

Davis also has a rep for being lazy, so I challenge OP's notion that he would be a better blocker than McCoy just because his measureables are better. And to me, the difference in catch-rate says it all. This fan base has killed McCoy for his drops, but his catch-rate is significantly higher than Davis's. Just think about that.

To be fair, he hasn't shown absolutely nothing. He has shown glimpses of what his potential could be. The problem is that he is terribly inconsistent and those flashes have been far outnumbered by drops and bonehead mistakes. Maybe a change of scenery/coaching staff/expectations can allow him to become more consistent. But I still think the "upside" is there. Worth kicking the tires on in case he pops even if the chances are he may never reach his potential.

 

[Jazzhawk]

He's a Third-string backup TE that's been cut by the Browns. There is no upside; he's there in case of emergency.

 

[pcbball12]

He's a Third-string backup TE that's been cut by the Browns. There is no upside; he's there in case of emergency.

Look, I am not saying he is all of a sudden going to become a great player with us and become a big piece of this offense. All I was saying was that as far as physical talent/traits go (which IMO is one of the main measures of a players upside) you cannot say it is lower than Anthony Mccoy's. Mccoy is a better player and has done more with his opportunities, but I was just arguing the upside of talent for each player.

 

[Happypuppy]

He's a Third-string backup TE that's been cut by the Browns. There is no upside; he's there in case of emergency.

I agree Pete implied as much. He is like a 3rd string QB, hope,they never see the field. Measurables give only objective information. They can't give you the subjective ; if they are a player. I had hoped that they sign Fells, he was supposed to be a good blocker. This fellow by all accounts in not even good at that.

 

[FlyingGreg]

He's a Third-string backup TE that's been cut by the Browns. There is no upside; he's there in case of emergency.

Yep, and probabbly only signed because (a) Willson got dinged up and (b) The Person TE project blew up.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Maybe just leave it at poor-man's McCoy with limited upside. However, with Davis' length, Russell Wilson could turn him into a monster RZ threat.

And as much as Cutler is a great QB, he doesn't posses the consistency nor throwing intelligence of Wilson especially under pressure. For Cutler its pretty much feed it to Marshall, dump it off to Forte or struggle.

Also, I wouldn't read too much about the Browns, some players have to fit into system, and most of the time teams will choose to go with the upside of a younger player even if that player is raw in comparison to a veteran presence. Cheaper, longer control etc.

To me because of resemblance to McCoy's game, Kellen Davis could be viewed has a fit, however, it will be up to Davis to establish himself and standout or he will likely be cut.

 

[kigenzun]

Thank you Pandion for the side by side stats analysis. McCoy and Davis are indeed very similar.

However, in my mind we replaced McGrath with Kellen Davis. (i.e. last TE to go, first TE to pickup.)
Since McCoy is out with an Achilles issue, maybe you could statistically compare those two instead.

btw Personally, I believe Kellen Davis, despite his limitations, has more NFL experience and is a significant Red Zone upgrade to McGrath.

 

[hawkfan68]

If Kellen starts dropping passes, a nickname has been identified for him - K-drop. Just like the other K-drop that was a Seahawk a few years back.