Kam is IN the Building!!!!!!! (The New KAM Topic)

[Uncle Si]

I'll be booing him as loud as I can from section 134 come Sunday.

Then do me a favor and sell your ticket to someone else, please. No reason at all to boo him. He made a mistake and has paid for it. He's coming back to help the team and deserves to be forgiven. Has his past selling out of his body every week bought him no equity with fans? Come on.

EXACTLY.. If you Boo one of the major reasons this city got its first superbowl then you can go find yourself

Yay internet!

 

[gowazzu02]

As one of the most respected -- and feared -- players in the game, it was getting to the point where Kam would be ripe for major endorsements. More and more people were buying his jersey. I think now companies will think twice about making him the next Troy Polamalu, because of the negative attention he has attracted. It's unfortunate, all-around.

This is a great point that I never thought of..... The fact was Kam should of had his agent spend his time capitalizing off of that epic Carolina game,,,,,not digging into a hold out. The fact that he doesn't have some sort of deal in place after leaping the center TWICE, then getting the game clinching pick 6 is really his fault.

 

[ivotuk]

Great site :th2thumbs:

http://kchancellor.com/

 

[ivotuk]

Look, I know everyone is excited, or angry, or emotional about this topic, but that is NO excuse for breaking the rules!

Discuss civilly, or end up on the outside looking in.

 

[hawk45]

Any leverage Kam gained by poor defensive performances during his absence is cancelled out by the Seahawks making the statement that they won't budge for this kind of move. This wasn't some masterful play by Kam, it was a WTF from the beginning. And the Seahawks saying they'll think about doing something next offseason doesn't prove otherwise. The key is, it'll be completely on their terms because they've set precedent that you holding out with multiple years left is your glitch.

Telling other fans how they should feel or cheer/boo, should be ignored by any fan who shelled out for tickets. I'm still pissed at Kam, happy for the positive effect his return should have, but probably a few games away from letting it go, and definitely have been knocked back down the hill I was climbing towards Kam being my favorite player.

Big tough Kam got his little feelings hurt by JS. Good. Schneider saw what Kam could be and *overpaid* him early. Kam had whatever JS said coming to him and then some by trying to then erase the advantage Schneider created by being smarter than both Kam and his agent (and seeing what they didn't).

 

[Sarlacc83]

I will be happy to forgive Kam after his first big hit. I will be even happier to forgive him if he learned something in all this.

 

[andyh64000]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlvinKeels/status/646714942943531009[/tweet]

Kam's agent made him $0 (we don't know yet how much he lost in fines and game checks), led to an 0-2 start for his team, and created perhaps irreparable damage to Kam's previously positive reputation.

Yup, I'm sure it was all the agent, and Saint Chancellor had nothing to do with any of it. It's not like Kam is the client with the ultimate decision-making authority or anything...oh wait.

Kam shares blame in this for sure...but if he had a better agent it would have never gotten this far.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

Welcome back Kam!

 

[tdlabrie]

I wonder if the Hawks dropped the fines

Hopefully not, they are going to need the enforcement of those fines to keep guys in line next offseason.

My memory's shot but I've been a fan nearly from the beginning, and I've never seen the FO not drop the fines.

It's bad enough that Kam will be able to use this situation in negotiations next year. "Look, Seahawks. You started out 0-2 without me. As soon as I came back, you started winning games."

I agree with what Trenchbroom said above, this will be Kam's last year. He'll pull this stunt again next year -- he practically guaranteed it himself -- and IMO the FO is going to boot him.

 

[GlobHawk]

I'll be booing him as loud as I can from section 134 come Sunday.

Couldn't agree more, I'll be booing at him on Sunday at the Clink. He jeopardized his team to gain money when he actually LOST MONEY!!! HE LOST AND WE LOST, oh so now we're supposed to forgive him?? I've got his elite jersey I bought last year at the pro shop up on EBAY and I can't wait to get rid of it! Dude is a class A DOUCHE BAG

 

[DavidSeven]

Agree 100% with points made on both posts below.

We literally lost Game 1 on a single play -- Kam's backup getting his ankles broken by a blocking tight end.

Game 2, who knows? The game was close enough where one play could've swung the result. Maybe Green Bay doesn't burn us over the middle with Cobb if they know Kam could take out their last viable receiver. Maybe Starks doesn't run all over us.

And so ends the dumbest holdout in recent sports memory. It's not that Kam doesn't deserve a raise, it's that when given the choice between losing Kam and setting a backbreaking precedent in the new CBA environment, the choice was ALWAYS going to be the former. Kam NEVER had a chance to win this, and only succeeded in hurting the team and himself. If my understanding is correct, Kam is the only NFL player to miss games from a holdout under the new CBA without viably threatening retirement (Carson Palmer in 2011). There's a reason you haven't seen players do it, it's just dumb as hell to try. And it's even dumber when considering the needless damage it did to a team in a SB window.

And to all those people saying Kam didn't cost us. I think he absolutely cost us win probability. Bailey slipping in the Rams game by itself was probably a 40-45% win probability swing (I'll check the official number once Advanced NFL stats stops being lazy and updates for 2015). There were a few other explosive plays given up in that game because of Bailey too. I'd guess that Bailey's win probability added in that game was around -50% if not worse.

Kam's absence is harder to quantify in the Packers game, but it's probably safe to say he cost us something substantial in a tight game. And that's not even getting into the intangibles that Kam brings. Our defense clearly looked demoralized in the first two games with the Kam cloud hanging over everyone's heads.

Maybe we are 0-2, or 1-1, or 2-0 with Kam. Nobody can say for sure, but remember that games turn on a single play all the time. His absence definitely hurt our chances to win those games, and hurt them substantially.

So while a part of me is thrilled to have him back well before that looming road game at Cincy, part of me is still upset that he was foolish enough to do this to himself and to his teammates. If our season ends in January at Lambeau, or in a different stadium with Seattle as a wildcard, I won't ever get over it 100%. That said, if this ultimately proves to be a non-factor and Seattle plays all their playoff games at home and/or gets back to the SB, then I'll get over it.

If there is one positive to take from this, it's that Seattle got an honest appraisal of what Kam's backups are worth. Which turns out, isn't much. Addressing safety needs to be a big priority in the 2016 draft. You don't want to be a Kam injury away from Bailey or Shead.

On that note, I hope they ease Kam in against the Bears. I'd be fine with waiting until the 2nd half to play him.

I was just about to post very similar things.
If this team finishes a game out of the playoffs, the division lead, or the 1 seed, Kam will be the one who gets the blame. Perhaps unfair, but it is a thing he created.
And who knows if he is in game shape physically. Will there be mistakes from conditioning or lack of practice? We shall see.
I think Kam may be on the market when this season is done.

 

[WilliamCooper]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlvinKeels/status/646714942943531009[/tweet]

Kam's agent made him $0 (we don't know yet how much he lost in fines and game checks), led to an 0-2 start for his team, and created perhaps irreparable damage to Kam's previously positive reputation.

Yup, I'm sure it was all the agent, and Saint Chancellor had nothing to do with any of it. It's not like Kam is the client with the ultimate decision-making authority or anything...oh wait.

Kam shares blame in this for sure...but if he had a better agent it would have never gotten this far.

This again, seriously? Once more, the agent works for the athlete. The athlete tells the agent what he wants.

 

[WilliamCooper]

I'll be booing him as loud as I can from section 134 come Sunday.

Couldn't agree more, I'll be booing at him on Sunday at the Clink. He jeopardized his team to gain money when he actually LOST MONEY!!! HE LOST AND WE LOST, oh so now we're supposed to forgive him?? I've got his elite jersey I bought last year at the pro shop up on EBAY and I can't wait to get rid of it! Dude is a class A DOUCHE BAG

No, no you will not. In fact, the first big hit he lays on someone you'll scream like a little girl for him.

 

[DJrmb]

And so ends the dumbest holdout in recent sports memory. It's not that Kam doesn't deserve a raise, it's that when given the choice between losing Kam and setting a backbreaking precedent in the new CBA environment, the choice was ALWAYS going to be the former. Kam NEVER had a chance to win this, and only succeeded in hurting the team and himself. If my understanding is correct, Kam is the only NFL player to miss games from a holdout under the new CBA without viably threatening retirement (Carson Palmer in 2011). There's a reason you haven't seen players do it, it's just dumb as hell to try. And it's even dumber when considering the needless damage it did to a team in a SB window.

And to all those people saying Kam didn't cost us. I think he absolutely cost us win probability. Bailey slipping in the Rams game by itself was probably a 40-45% win probability swing (I'll check the official number once Advanced NFL stats stops being lazy and updates for 2015). There were a few other explosive plays given up in that game because of Bailey too. I'd guess that Bailey's win probability added in that game was around -50% if not worse.

Kam's absence is harder to quantify in the Packers game, but it's probably safe to say he cost us something substantial in a tight game. And that's not even getting into the intangibles that Kam brings. Our defense clearly looked demoralized in the first two games with the Kam cloud hanging over everyone's heads.

Maybe we are 0-2, or 1-1, or 2-0 with Kam. Nobody can say for sure, but remember that games turn on a single play all the time. His absence definitely hurt our chances to win those games, and hurt them substantially.

So while a part of me is thrilled to have him back well before that looming road game at Cincy, part of me is still upset that he was foolish enough to do this to himself and to his teammates. If our season ends in January at Lambeau, or in a different stadium with Seattle as a wildcard, I won't ever get over it 100%. That said, if this ultimately proves to be a non-factor and Seattle plays all their playoff games at home and/or gets back to the SB, then I'll get over it.

If there is one positive to take from this, it's that Seattle got an honest appraisal of what Kam's backups are worth. Which turns out, isn't much. Addressing safety needs to be a big priority in the 2016 draft. You don't want to be a Kam injury away from Bailey or Shead.

On that note, I hope they ease Kam in against the Bears. I'd be fine with waiting until the 2nd half to play him.

I agree that Kam's absence in both of the first 2 games surely decreased the win probability %. However, we have no clue how much that decreased the percent chance of winning those games and it's very much possible that we would have started 0-2 no matter what.

We also have no way of knowing how Kam being out may have positively impacted future games. It's possible the extra rest Kam got with such a late start will have him fresher and healthier for longer in the season and gives us a higher % chance of winning a game in week 5,6,7 etc... It is also possible that the secondary having to learn to play without Kam could have made them better in certain situation or scenarios, increasing the win % for future games.

I'm not saying those things are fact or true but they are very much possible positives and there is just really no way to know for sure if it was an overall hurt or help purely by the numbers and percent chance to win. So I wouldn't hold anything against Kam whether we make it to another Superb Owl or not, because we simply just don't know how much it realistically hurt or helped the team.

 

[Scottemojo]

I'll be booing him as loud as I can from section 134 come Sunday.

Couldn't agree more, I'll be booing at him on Sunday at the Clink. He jeopardized his team to gain money when he actually LOST MONEY!!! HE LOST AND WE LOST, oh so now we're supposed to forgive him?? I've got his elite jersey I bought last year at the pro shop up on EBAY and I can't wait to get rid of it! Dude is a class A DOUCHE BAG

No, no you will not. In fact, the first big hit he lays on someone you'll scream like a little girl for him.

Say hi to Mrs Keels for me.

 

[BlueTalon]

Get over yourself, Kam. Do your job. Nothing less, nothing more.

What I mean is, stop tweeting. It makes you look like a jerk.

Did he really have to call out those who don't support his actions? I mean... seriously? Get over yourself. :177692:

He already looked like a jerk. At this point, he can tweet whatever he wants if it makes him feel better. (He might still look like a jerk, but I don't care. If his spin helps him save face, so be it.)

 

[Uncle Si]

Agree 100% with points made on both posts below.

We literally lost Game 1 on a single play -- Kam's backup getting his ankles broken by a blocking tight end.

Game 2, who knows? The game was close enough where one play could've swung the result. Maybe Green Bay doesn't burn us over the middle with Cobb if they know Kam could take out their last viable receiver. Maybe Starks doesn't run all over us.

And so ends the dumbest holdout in recent sports memory. It's not that Kam doesn't deserve a raise, it's that when given the choice between losing Kam and setting a backbreaking precedent in the new CBA environment, the choice was ALWAYS going to be the former. Kam NEVER had a chance to win this, and only succeeded in hurting the team and himself. If my understanding is correct, Kam is the only NFL player to miss games from a holdout under the new CBA without viably threatening retirement (Carson Palmer in 2011). There's a reason you haven't seen players do it, it's just dumb as hell to try. And it's even dumber when considering the needless damage it did to a team in a SB window.

And to all those people saying Kam didn't cost us. I think he absolutely cost us win probability. Bailey slipping in the Rams game by itself was probably a 40-45% win probability swing (I'll check the official number once Advanced NFL stats stops being lazy and updates for 2015). There were a few other explosive plays given up in that game because of Bailey too. I'd guess that Bailey's win probability added in that game was around -50% if not worse.

Kam's absence is harder to quantify in the Packers game, but it's probably safe to say he cost us something substantial in a tight game. And that's not even getting into the intangibles that Kam brings. Our defense clearly looked demoralized in the first two games with the Kam cloud hanging over everyone's heads.

Maybe we are 0-2, or 1-1, or 2-0 with Kam. Nobody can say for sure, but remember that games turn on a single play all the time. His absence definitely hurt our chances to win those games, and hurt them substantially.

So while a part of me is thrilled to have him back well before that looming road game at Cincy, part of me is still upset that he was foolish enough to do this to himself and to his teammates. If our season ends in January at Lambeau, or in a different stadium with Seattle as a wildcard, I won't ever get over it 100%. That said, if this ultimately proves to be a non-factor and Seattle plays all their playoff games at home and/or gets back to the SB, then I'll get over it.

If there is one positive to take from this, it's that Seattle got an honest appraisal of what Kam's backups are worth. Which turns out, isn't much. Addressing safety needs to be a big priority in the 2016 draft. You don't want to be a Kam injury away from Bailey or Shead.

On that note, I hope they ease Kam in against the Bears. I'd be fine with waiting until the 2nd half to play him.

I was just about to post very similar things.
If this team finishes a game out of the playoffs, the division lead, or the 1 seed, Kam will be the one who gets the blame. Perhaps unfair, but it is a thing he created.
And who knows if he is in game shape physically. Will there be mistakes from conditioning or lack of practice? We shall see.
I think Kam may be on the market when this season is done.

Couldve done a better job on that punt return in game 1. Week 2 some of the offensive play calling in the first half created a pretty big hole to come out of.

Kam is a fantastic player. I just dont see one player ever making the difference in the outcome of one game.

 

[kf3339]

It's about time.

 

[seahawk Dan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlvinKeels/status/646714942943531009[/tweet]

Kam's agent made him $0 (we don't know yet how much he lost in fines and game checks), led to an 0-2 start for his team, and created perhaps irreparable damage to Kam's previously positive reputation.

Yup, I'm sure it was all the agent, and Saint Chancellor had nothing to do with any of it. It's not like Kam is the client with the ultimate decision-making authority or anything...oh wait.

Kam shares blame in this for sure...but if he had a better agent it would have never gotten this far.[/quo


That is true but he has to take reasonability also to going 0-2 could have still happen with him in the lineup , having Kam in the lineup does not solve the slow start we have in the first half against the Rams and the packers or the 30 points we are giving up per game , he is not the savior and I hope the players realize that his is not going to fix itself know that Kam is back .

 

[Hawk-A-Loogie]

So how do I un-burn my #31 jersey?