Jamals quad isn’t right a year later. Could miss tc

[TeamoftheCentury]

Wow, scary. @TeamoftheCentury I know this is off-topic, but how did you suffer your quadricep tear? (If you don't mind sharing.)

Oh, I don't mind I guess. Probably after years of martial arts wear and tear there may have been something waiting to happen then a drunk friend jumped on my back and I heard (loud) and felt 2 pops. A complete separation. Had to do extensive graphs. I don't wish that on anybody. I'll never be the same. Longer story, as well.

 

[keasley45]

longest I've ever seen anyone out from a quad injury by a mile.

Quadriceps tendon injuries in national football league players - PubMed

Quadriceps tendon tears are rare in professional American football players, and they usually occur from eccentric load on the extensor mechanism. Prodromal symptoms and predisposing factors are usually absent. Even with timely surgical repair, there is a low rate of return to play in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's not a contusion or strain. It's a torn muscle, detached from the bone, which in the NFL, is incredibly rare. According to this research article on similar injuries, he has a 50% chance of ever playing again, and the average number of games a player played in this study after coming back from the injury is between 40 and 50 (3 seasons).

So as qaud tears go, his is not a long recovery to date. As a matter of fact, he's not just fighting to get back this season. He's fighting to get back at all in any version of himself that resembles who he used to be or would even be considered a starter

 

[chris98251]

If I remember correctly a Wrestler in WWE Triple H had a similar situation where his thigh muscle tore and detached from the bone as well, took like 2 years to get back to wrestling, and he did it a second time as well if my memory is correct.

 

[IndyHawk]

Quadriceps tendon injuries in national football league players - PubMed

Quadriceps tendon tears are rare in professional American football players, and they usually occur from eccentric load on the extensor mechanism. Prodromal symptoms and predisposing factors are usually absent. Even with timely surgical repair, there is a low rate of return to play in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's not a contusion or strain. It's a torn muscle, detached from the bone, which in the NFL, is incredibly rare. According to this research article on similar injuries, he has a 50% chance of ever playing again, and the average number of games a player played in this study after coming back from the injury is between 40 and 50 (3 seasons).

So as qaud tears go, his is not a long recovery to date. As a matter of fact, he's not just fighting to get back this season. He's fighting to get back at all in any version of himself that resembles who he used to be or would even be considered a starter

I think it's over,time to hang em up.His game needs too much body wise for me
to think otherwise.
If it was a small tear maybe but nobody has said that.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Me3 asked for Jimmy Graham and for Percy Harvin. Both were mistakes with Russell Wilson wanting more weapons. There are several posters on this forum that wanted to do everything possible to keep the QB happy. He also asked for past their primes Brandon Marshall and Greg Olsen. None of them ever really worked out as planned.

Didn’t Carroll try to get prime Brandon Marshall back in 2010? He’s always had an interest in him.

 

[GemCity]

If we would’ve gotten the Jamal Adams we traded for, no one would be complaining.

I know I’ve said this a dozen times but, when healthy, he was the best player on the field. Smart…incredible tackling…a bullet on defense.

You can’t predict injuries. In hindsight, we can all appear to be geniuses.

I don’t fault PC and JS for making the trade.

With that said, I don’t see him coming back. His injury isn’t one you can just “lay off of” and expect a return to form.

I wish him well but in my opinion, it’s time to move on.

 

[morgulon1]

If we would’ve gotten the Jamal Adams we traded for, no one would be complaining.

I know I’ve said this a dozen times but, when healthy, he was the best player on the field. Smart…incredible tackling…a bullet on defense.

You can’t predict injuries. In hindsight, we can all appear to be geniuses.

I don’t fault PC and JS for making the trade.

With that said, I don’t see him coming back. His injury isn’t one you can just “lay off of” and expect a return to form.

I wish him well but in my opinion, it’s time to move on.

You're more than likely 100% on this.
Which is why thy went out and acquired who they did. Seattle looks like they're looking post Jamal Adams. I hope he can come back . Who knows , maybe he does.

 

[IndyHawk]

You're more than likely 100% on this.
Which is why thy went out and acquired who they did. Seattle looks like they're looking post Jamal Adams. I hope he can come back . Who knows , maybe he does.

Do we want him to come back a shell of what he was?I don't think even at 80% is
going to work.
Like you said there is a reason why they got these players in the back and are hyping up
that Safety who was a 7th?

 

[Appyhawk]

Do we want him to come back a shell of what he was?I don't think even at 80% is
going to work.
Like you said there is a reason why they got these players in the back and are hyping up
that Safety who was a 7th?

That safety they're hyping up may just be another TW story for us. He's got the goods.

 

[IndyHawk]

That safety they're hyping up may just be another TW story for us. He's got the goods.

I certainly hope so..But I also see why they may be doing it

 

[morgulon1]

Do we want him to come back a shell of what he was?I don't think even at 80% is
going to work.
Like you said there is a reason why they got these players in the back and are hyping up
that Safety who was a 7th?

I really wouldn't if he isn't anywhere where he was pre injury. With Witherspoon, Julian Love and Reed from
New Mexico , doesn't it appear like they're ready to move on?

What do you think?

 

[Mad Dog]

If we would’ve gotten the Jamal Adams we traded for, no one would be complaining.

I know I’ve said this a dozen times but, when healthy, he was the best player on the field. Smart…incredible tackling…a bullet on defense.

You can’t predict injuries. In hindsight, we can all appear to be geniuses.

I don’t fault PC and JS for making the trade.

With that said, I don’t see him coming back. His injury isn’t one you can just “lay off of” and expect a return to form.

I wish him well but in my opinion, it’s time to move on.

Nope I still think the cost was too dear. I was not overly impressed with his maiden season with us despite the sack numbers. His coverage was suspect his hands were stone and he didn't always take great angles. We were still getting gashed in the run game when he was healthy and in the box.

Safety is just never worth 2 first round picks and then a top shelf contract. You can see how the market for safeties has largely cratered now that teams are moving to Tampa 2 shells again.

The injuries were merely an insult to an already terrible trade. Troy Polumalu, Kenny Easley and Ronnie Lott are the only safeties I'd consider paying that price for and Adams was never in that league. I don't even think he's in Chancellor's league.

 

[morgulon1]

Nope I still think the cost was too dear. I was not overly impressed with his maiden season with us despite the sack numbers. His coverage was suspect his hands were stone and he didn't always take great angles. We were still getting gashed in the run game when he was healthy and in the box.

Safety is just never worth 2 first round picks and then a top shelf contract. You can see how the market for safeties has largely cratered now that teams are moving to Tampa 2 shells again.

The injuries were merely an insult to an already terrible trade. Troy Polumalu, Kenny Easley and Ronnie Lott are the only safeties I'd consider paying that price for and Adams was never in that league. I don't even think he's in Chancellor's league.

We were lucky to have had Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I certainly hope so..But I also see why they may be doing it

If he gets hurt on the field again, itll Be more expensive and complicated to cut him next year no?

 

[Natethegreat]

If we would’ve gotten the Jamal Adams we traded for, no one would be complaining.

I know I’ve said this a dozen times but, when healthy, he was the best player on the field. Smart…incredible tackling…a bullet on defense.

You can’t predict injuries. In hindsight, we can all appear to be geniuses.

I don’t fault PC and JS for making the trade.

With that said, I don’t see him coming back. His injury isn’t one you can just “lay off of” and expect a return to form.

I wish him well but in my opinion, it’s time to move on.

Healthy or not it was a vast overpay for a safety that struggles mightily to cover. For all the talk of how great he is in run defense as was pointed out earlier our run D was terrible when he was playing. So either his run D is overstated or a strong safety of his size just can't make that big of a difference.
The injuries made the trade worse but they should not have been unexpected for a box safety basically playing like a linebacker.
Bottom line is a strong safety who can't cover and has stone hands is not worth franchise QB trade capital. Especially when he is forcing his way off a team in the first place.
So no, had he stayed healthy I would still not like that trade and many made these same points while he was playing here. Why? Because our D was hot garbage even while he was out there.

Edit: My critique here is of John and Pete not Jamal. He wasn't the one who traded away 2 firsts, a third, and a pro bowl safety that could cover for a sack specialist safety.

 

[CallMeADawg]

The number of folks bagging on a dude with a terrible injury is mind boggling.

 

[AgentDib]

If we would’ve gotten the Jamal Adams we traded for, no one would be complaining.

It's fair to point out that the trade could have worked out much better than it did, but it's the process standpoint that many disagreed with initially and I still argue was fundamentally flawed. We tried to go too all in on 2020, perhaps due to the knowledge that Russ was on his way out, and it hindered the team in the long run.

Good teams are built through the draft because players are significantly underpaid on their rookie deals. Trading away draft picks for a player who is looking at a big contract is simply doing things backwards. The Jets drafted Garrett Wilson last year with one of our picks, and his 2022 valuation was $15m on a $3.7m cap hit. Meanwhile, Jamal Adams had a 2022 valuation of $1.3m on a $9.1m cap hit.

 

[Mick063]

The Marshawn Lynch trade was genius. The Russell Wilson trade was genius. The Adams trade was equally genius....for the Jets. I guess it all evens out in the end.

Folks can rewrite history about Adams all they want to. Make him out to be something that he never was. But he wasn't a good safety. He was a parlor trick that got a few folks spun up over some sacks. I suppose when your reconstructed salvage can do something that no one else typically does, you might even set a record for doing it. Regardless, sacks aren't what safeties normally do. There is a reason for that, otherwise every team in the league would have an Adams type player for an Adams type blitz package. Safeties normally take the ball away, cover the tight end, and provide deep help. That is why they are called safeties. Nope. Adams wasn't a safety. He was a guy that once the staff saw couldn't play safety, had to carve out some kind of unique niche role to justify the inordinate amount of draft capital that they spent to acquire him. I give Pete and John credit for making lemonade, squeezing all the juice out of that lemon that they could, but in the end, Adams was still a lemon. They wouldn't resign him even if Adams stayed healthy every game. Adams was a one-contract, then gone, type of dude. Always was.

 

[IndyHawk]

If he gets hurt on the field again, itll Be more expensive and complicated to cut him next year no?

Might be-Others know better than me on that

 

[GemCity]

It's fair to point out that the trade could have worked out much better than it did, but it's the process standpoint that many disagreed with initially and I still argue was fundamentally flawed. We tried to go too all in on 2020, perhaps due to the knowledge that Russ was on his way out, and it hindered the team in the long run.

Good teams are built through the draft because players are significantly underpaid on their rookie deals. Trading away draft picks for a player who is looking at a big contract is simply doing things backwards. The Jets drafted Garrett Wilson last year with one of our picks, and his 2022 valuation was $15m on a $3.7m cap hit. Meanwhile, Jamal Adams had a 2022 valuation of $1.3m on a $9.1m cap hit.

I see your point and especially agree with your comment about going “all in”.

I still think that most of the discouraging comments about the trade would almost be non-existent had he not been injured and played like he was for the Jets.

But….it’s fair to say that, in general, the collateral was too high.