Jalen Carter spits on a Cowboy.

[James in PA]

Well, it's not quite bad as Chuck Barkley spitting on that little girl back in the day. These Philly sports figures love them some spitting.

 

[cymatica]

Richie Incognito is still confused why Carter was ejected

 

[pmedic920]

Dak spit AT him then gave a knowing grin. Only Carter getting in trouble here is some BS. This is why we need AI referees that can see everything so things can be a lot more fair, rather than the usual "only he who retaliates gets in trouble" garbage.

Sorry not sorry
Spitting in the “direction of” someone IS NOT the same as “spitting on” someone.

If this did happen, bottom line is Carter needs to be in more control of himself.

Uncountable reasons why.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I agree that Carter needs to control himself better, but the narrative that it's 100% his fault and nothing triggered it is factually false, you have to assign SOME portion of blame to Dak for clearly instigating it. This is in general, how all situations "escalate". You can't just lay 100% of fault on the person who "escalates last" or "escalates most harshly".

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Dak spit AT him then gave a knowing grin. Only Carter getting in trouble here is some BS. This is why we need AI referees that can see everything so things can be a lot more fair, rather than the usual "only he who retaliates gets in trouble" garbage.

Right, because it was totally the same thing that Dak did
Carter comes with plenty of baggage. Not shocked at all.

 

[Torc]

Dak was in his huddle. The Eagles huddle was several yards away. Carter had no business being close enough to Dak to spit on him.

 

[Seak]

IMO, DK did plenty of stupid stuff.
I don’t recall ever seeing him do something outright “dirty”.
Maybe I missed it, IDK

Thats sort of what I meant
For all the hate he got sometimes at least wasnt being a dirty player

 

[jammerhawk]

Jalen Carter simply is not that bright, to have responded that way instead of just trying to rip Dallas a new one and to give his head a twist when he got to him during the game.

Stupid move!

 

[jammerhawk]

Stupid move even if Dak spit on the ground in front of Carter.

The retaliation move always gets caught. Dumb to do it when the ref is right there.

Ca try er may get a 1 game holiday as the league wants to stop this taunting nonsense.

 

[GemCity]

I agree that Carter needs to control himself better, but the narrative that it's 100% his fault and nothing triggered it is factually false, you have to assign SOME portion of blame to Dak for clearly instigating it. This is in general, how all situations "escalate". You can't just lay 100% of fault on the person who "escalates last" or "escalates most harshly".

No disrespect here…and I do respect your opinion.

But…I totally disagree and am wondering if this is a difference in ‘generational’ thinking.

While ‘cause and effect’ are real, accountability seems to be lacking…

It reminds me of some acquaintances of ours that we met at a friends bbq. Their son got fired from a recycling plant. The kid had been asking for extra hours but the company declined.

So, one weekend, he takes his truck and steals a bunch of batteries from the plant. These particular batteries were usually just disposed of after taking care of the hazmat requirements.

The kid didn’t see it as stealing and his dad’s response to me after telling the story was “Well, they know he needed the money”.

Real douchebag type shit. But, just like Carter’s face displayed after he was ejected, totality oblivious as to how things are….and will be….

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carter in the penitentiary one day…or dead…

Not wishing it…just saying.

 

[pmedic920]

I agree that Carter needs to control himself better, but the narrative that it's 100% his fault and nothing triggered it is factually false, you have to assign SOME portion of blame to Dak for clearly instigating it. This is in general, how all situations "escalate". You can't just lay 100% of fault on the person who "escalates last" or "escalates most harshly".

Adamantly disagree.

Nobody can control what others do.

What everyone has control over is how they react to what others do.

It appears that Dak may have contributed to the situation in general, 100 % of what Carter did in response is on Carter.

IMO it doesn’t matter what Dak may have called Carter’s mama, how Carter responded is what matters (in this instance)

We gunna blame the see through blouse and mini skirt on the female that gets r$ped?

No certainly not.


*
Not saying Dak called Carters mom anything inappropriate.
Simply saying that regardless of what happened, how Carter acted/reacted is 100% on Carter.
Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous IMO

 

[RiverDog]

I agree that Carter needs to control himself better, but the narrative that it's 100% his fault and nothing triggered it is factually false, you have to assign SOME portion of blame to Dak for clearly instigating it. This is in general, how all situations "escalate". You can't just lay 100% of fault on the person who "escalates last" or "escalates most harshly".

I agree. Not knowing what was said in the exchange (none of us do), I'd put the degree of blame for the incident 95% on Carter and 5% on Dak.

If they let Dak off Scot free with not so much as a token fine, they'd be endorsing provocative behavior, baiting players into a PF. We saw this happen with Metcalf, where opponents knew he was thin skinned and took advantage of it. Heck, Richard Sherman must have had a PhD in Psychology with the way he could bait other players. It's the type of behavior that the league has specifically called out this season.

 

[pmedic920]

I agree. Not knowing what was said in the exchange (none of us do), I'd put the degree of blame for the incident 95% on Carter and 5% on Dak.

If they let Dak off Scot free with not so much as a token fine, they'd be endorsing provocative behavior, baiting players into a PF. We saw this happen with Metcalf, where opponents knew he was thin skinned and took advantage of it. Heck, Richard Sherman must have had a PhD in Psychology with the way he could bait other players. It's the type of behavior that the league has specifically called out this season.

I’ll reiterate.

We can’t control what other people do.

We have 100% control over how we react to what other people do.

IMO, if Dak broke a rule he should receive whatever is deemed appropriate for it.
To place blame on Dak for how Carter reacted is ludicrous.
Carter had the option to walk away from whatever Dak did, he chose to spit on him.

*I don’t care anything about Dak but this is not a defend yourself from a life/death situation.

 

[RiverDog]

I’ll reiterate.

We can’t control what other people do.

We have 100% control over how we react to what other people do.

IMO, if Dak broke a rule he should receive whatever is deemed appropriate for it.
To place blame on Dak for how Carter reacted is ludicrous.
Carter had the option to walk away from whatever Dak did, he chose to spit on him.

*I don’t care anything about Dak but this is not a defend yourself from a life/death situation.

We can go round and round with this, so I'll end my part in this discussion by saying this:

1. None of us know what words were exchanged between Carter and Dak, but we do know that words were exchanged, and the fact that it ended with Carter spitting on him almost certainly means that Dak's words were not of a complimentary nature.

2. The incident started well before most of the one or two second videos we've seen that show Carter spitting on Dak. Both Dak as well as Carter could have ended the exchange almost immediately by ignoring the other, turn around and join their teammates. Here's a summary along with a video:

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3. The league has made it a point of emphasis that they'll be cracking down on unsportsmanlike behavior and taunting. I would be surprised if the league did not hold Dak at least partially responsible for the exchange. I'll bet you a beer that Dak receives at least a token fine.

4. It takes two to Tango. I don't know of very many one-on-one confrontations that weren't at least partially provoked by the other. People don't sucker punch another simply because they don't like how they look. Yes, random acts like sucker punches do happen, but such occasions are few and far between.

5. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[pmedic920]

We can go round and round with this, so I'll end my part in this discussion by saying this:

1. None of us know what words were exchanged between Carter and Dak, but we do know that words were exchanged, and the fact that it ended with Carter spitting on him almost certainly means that Dak's words were not of a complimentary nature.

2. The incident started well before most of the one or two second videos we've seen that show Carter spitting on Dak. Both Dak as well as Carter could have ended the exchange almost immediately by ignoring the other, turn around and join their teammates. Here's a summary along with a video:

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3. The league has made it a point of emphasis that they'll be cracking down on unsportsmanlike behavior and taunting. I would be surprised if the league did not hold Dak at least partially responsible for the exchange. I'll bet you a beer that Dak receives at least a token fine.

4. It takes two to Tango. I don't know of very many one-on-one confrontations that weren't at least partially provoked by the other. People don't sucker punch another simply because they don't like how they look. Yes, random acts like sucker punches do happen, but such occasions are few and far between.

5. Let's agree to disagree.

So am I understanding you correctly?

Words that were or may have been said justify Carter spitting on Prescott?

If so, what happened to “sticks and stones”?

Agree to disagree?
If that’s the best we can do, I suppose we’ll have to.

 

[RiverDog]

So am I understanding you correctly?

Words that were or may have been said justify Carter spitting on Prescott?

If so, what happened to “sticks and stones”?

Agree to disagree?
If that’s the best we can do, I suppose we’ll have to.

Damn, I'm going to have to break my pledge to leave the subject alone. But I can't let this last comment go without a reply.

I did NOT say that Carter was justified in spitting on Dak. I'm saying the exact opposite. I said earlier that Carter was 95% responsible for the incident, meaning that he wasn't justified, and to use an analogy, his reaction would be like a cop shooting out the tires of a car doing 30mph in a 25mph zone. Carter went way, way overboard in his retaliation, which is why he was suspended and Dak to this point hasn't faced any discipline.

Are you willing to bet a beer on Dak getting at least a token fine?

 

[Seahawker]

This is 100% on Carter.
Some of you have no idea what it's like to play a competitive sport and this 'triggered' culture has lead you astray.
Weak.

 

[Jville]

Damn, I'm going to have to break my pledge to leave the subject alone. But I can't let this last comment go without a reply.

I did NOT say that Carter was justified in spitting on Dak. I'm saying the exact opposite. I said earlier that Carter was 95% responsible for the incident, meaning that he wasn't justified, and to use an analogy, his reaction would be like a cop shooting out the tires of a car doing 30mph in a 25mph zone. Carter went way, way overboard in his retaliation, which is why he was suspended and Dak to this point hasn't faced any discipline.

Are you willing to bet a beer on Dak getting at least a token fine?

What an absolutely terrible analogy.

 

[Chapow]

I agree that Carter needs to control himself better, but the narrative that it's 100% his fault and nothing triggered it is factually false, you have to assign SOME portion of blame to Dak for clearly instigating it. This is in general, how all situations "escalate". You can't just lay 100% of fault on the person who "escalates last" or "escalates most harshly".

Except it was Carter that clearly instigated the whole thing. Dak was standing around in a huddle with his teammates. Carter approached the Cowboys huddle and clearly had some things to say. That is when Dak stepped forward and spit in Carter's general direction.

The narrative that this started when Dak spit on the ground in the direction of Carter is absolutely untrue. It started before that, and it was Carter that was the instigator.

 

[Weadoption]

I’ll take 5 career forced fumbles vs 1 career interception cope for $400 Alex