Is Russell Wilson worth extending?

[BlueTalon]

The Seahawks have a young, athletic franchise QB with the work ethic of Peyton Manning that's already won a Super Bowl.

LET HIM WALK!!! We'll find another replacement easily. Every single other NFL team that signs their franchise QB as soon as they can, because it's so incredibly difficult to find one, is missing the boat.

These guys grow on trees. Grab another in the 3rd this year. Should be easy.

This would get a Like, if we had Like buttons.

 

[400WattHPSHawk]

The Seahawks have a young, athletic franchise QB with the work ethic of Peyton Manning that's already won a Super Bowl.

LET HIM WALK!!! We'll find another replacement easily. Every single other NFL team that signs their franchise QB as soon as they can, because it's so incredibly difficult to find one, is missing the boat.

These guys grow on trees. Grab another in the 3rd this year. Should be easy.

This would get a Like, if we had Like buttons.

I was quite surprised to see Russell Wilson still on the 53 man roster after the trade deadline.

"Like Buttons" would be too Likecist.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Funny that you mention Kyle Orton, I think in the right offensive system that the Seahawks could be very successful with a QB such as Orton. A veteran stopgap such as Orton with a rookie/developmental QB is the ideal scenario on a Russelless Seahawks team.

 

[BlueTalon]

Every time I think this thread couldn't get any stupider, it gets stupider.

Let Wilson walk, get Kyle Orton and a developmental QB. And... why? Because Wilson isn't showing enough progress and can't carry the whole team by himself?

I'm shaking my head so hard my spine might snap. It won't matter though, my head is in the process of exploding. Once it does that, there won't be enough mass left to snap my spine.

 

[scutterhawk]

I think with Russell Wilson we are witnessing quite possibly the most gifted point guard QB of all time.

To answer the OP's question you must first determine if you even like point guard QBs (as opposed to 'traditional' QBs), and that if you do, how much do Wilson's height drawbacks concern you?

We know that Pete covets point guard QBs. He was talking up such QBs long before he drafted Wilson.

The height drawback can be considerable at times, but I think the new quick strike offense Pete and Bevell have implemented the past three weeks has helped solve some of these issues. This progress was incredibly evident in the second half of the Rams game, but masked somewhat in the Panthers and Raiders games because (probably by coincidence) Wilson just didn't have it those days.

But even in the last two games where Wilson was way off on so many throws, he showed exciting progress as a pocket QB who could find open targets (including those over the middle) with Peyton Manning type alacrity. They've asked Wilson to play like a totally different QB, and he's taken to it very well, other than the small sample size issues with distance accuracy, which again is probably coincidental.

I have a very high opinion of Wilson. I love point guard QBs, who by the way are no strangers to Super Bowl Championships or even dynasty runs. Every thing Pete does is about winning, not about stats. Wilson is the epitome of a dream QB for Pete.

With regards to WIlson's issues, his work ethic (and Pete's) assure me that no problem he has will last forever. It's ironic, but Wilson has proven Mel Kiper exactly right, in that his greatness while overcoming struggles proves exactly how difficult it is to play QB in the NFL at 5'10" or 5'11".

It isn't showing in his numbers right now, but Wilson is a better QB today than he was in 2013, and in 2013 he was a better QB than 2012. Every few weeks you can see tangible signs of improvement in his game, and there is still so much left for him to unlock on his path to greatness. And he will unlock it. It is easy to be patient with such a QB when he's already won a SB, and is off to the best start of any QB in NFL history through 2.5 seasons.

I think it would be crazy to not pay Wilson. He is already the best under 30 QB in the game, unless you think Luck is better. In that case, Wilson is the second best. For roughly the same money as Romo, Dalton, Kaepernick, Flacco... this is a total no brainer. Even after signing a 20+ million a year deal, Wilson would remain one of the NFL's more valuable commodities.

Especially this year. With the struggles Seattle has had, there is no way the Hawks are 5-3 with an average QB.

Thanks for your input Kearly, it is always a treat when you chime in on threads.

As far as point guard QB's, there are some that I would take in a heartbeat -- in fact there are some that have led some very prolific offenses. Guys like Ben Roethlisberger, Donavon McNabb, Randall Cunningham with the Vikings. McNabb and Cunningham really took a step up in their careers when they learned to stay in the pocket, and use their mobility more sparingly. That is the next step I would like Wilson to take, though as you mentioned his height may play a factor here. If I were him I would really study drew Brees, he's the master at manipulating pockets and finding passing lanes. He's tiny by NFL standards yet he fearlessly steps up into the pocket. I would also like to see more timing throws ala' Holmgren in this offense.

You can take shit...Wilson IS the SEAHAWKS quarterback.
You're time is wasted trying to convince everyone that you know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[RiverDog]

Wilson is already the best qb in the league right now. Who's better? Go watch the Denver game and the Super Bowl before you answer that.

Russell is the best QB in the league right now? Boy, I'd hate to take that argument into anyplace outside the Northwest. There's absolutely no objective criteria to support such an argument. Perhaps if you threw in a kicker, like best young quarterback or something, but even that would be a tough sell the way Andrew Luck is playing.

The domination of Denver in the Super Bowl was so complete that the absence of any one player on our team would not have changed the outcome, not Percy Harvin, not Earl Thomas, not Cam Chancellor, and certainly not Russell Wilson. It was quite simply our day. Even TJack would have won that game by 3 scores.

 

[brimsalabim]

Funny that you mention Kyle Orton, I think in the right offensive system that the Seahawks could be very successful with a QB such as Orton. A veteran stopgap such as Orton with a rookie/developmental QB is the ideal scenario on a Russelless Seahawks team.

Spin Doctor is pure troll and that quote removes any doubt. Lock this thread. Don't feed the troll.

 

[Anonymous]

:thcoffee:

Let's take it down a notch here, and remember that everyone has an opinion, and not all of them are palatable.

To silence an outside-the-box thought is NOT going to happen, provided that opinion is presented within the board rules.

A reminder that anyone can select another topic to read and contribute to by just a few, simple, keystrokes, and a mouse click.

 

[pehawk]

:thcoffee:

Let's take it down a notch here, and remember that everyone has an opinion, and not all of them are palatable.

To silence an outside-the-box thought is NOT going to happen, provided that opinion is presented within the board rules.

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+1

I hate how this board behaves with these posts. You act like a bunch of pansies afraid to read opposing viewpoints. It's despicable.

Grow a pair and challenge his logic, creeps.

 

[themunn]

Funny that you mention Kyle Orton, I think in the right offensive system that the Seahawks could be very successful with a QB such as Orton. A veteran stopgap such as Orton with a rookie/developmental QB is the ideal scenario on a Russelless Seahawks team.

Because we can win the Superbowl on the back of the our defense, just like the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs right?

It's not like those were 1 and done superbowl champs or anything, all of the teams with multiple superbowl appearances (if not wins) such as the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, Patriots, Broncos, Bills etc - they did it without a franchise QB.

 

[seedhawk]

Simply, to address the elephant in the room, most, by a large margin favor extending/resigning RW. The devil is in the details, and some of us just wonder, What Level of compensation is correct and defendable for both the Hawks and RW.

 

[Seahwkgal]

Spin Doctor must be blind. SMH.
I can't believe that I wasted my time reading this garbage.
Nobody says that we cannot critique our own QB(he does have flaws/bad games once in a blue moon) but this garbage is an epic idiocy. He obviously has not watched Wilson play for the last two and half seasons nor witnessed the team's lack of a true leader in 2011. :roll:

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

:thcoffee:

Let's take it down a notch here, and remember that everyone has an opinion, and not all of them are palatable.

To silence an outside-the-box thought is NOT going to happen, provided that opinion is presented within the board rules.

A reminder that anyone can select another topic to read and contribute to by just a few, simple, keystrokes, and a mouse click.

+1

I hate how this board behaves with these posts. You act like a bunch of pansies afraid to read opposing viewpoints. It's despicable.

Grow a pair and challenge his logic, creeps.

Show me this logic you're speaking of and I'd be happy to, otherwise from where I sit his view makes no sense and isn't supported by any logic hence why I ignore his stance and suggest others do the same.

 

[AgentDib]

Part of the issue with this thread is that many fans covet stars, and having a star at the QB position is immeasurably valuable to them. You're more likely to get Luck vs. Wilson threads than rational discussion because having "the best" QB affects their underlying satisfaction with the team. And while Wilson isn't the best QB right now, with his work ethic there is always a chance that he could be down the road. Hence the bizarre notion from many that Wilson should get a blank check, which no NFL player has ever been worth.

 

[Donn2390]

Last year RW was the king of Seattle. This year he has lost three games and the nay-Sayers are ready to ship him off to never never land.
If the team can't go 16-0 every year, fire the GM, the coaches, and the players. We live in a fantasy world and expect 100% perfection. We can not be satisfied by winning a SB, we demand absolute perfection every year or we will show our displeasure by talking out our azzes.
People need to sit back, relax and enjoy the games with a tightly closed pie hole. The fun part is watching how the team adapts to adverse situations. Let's watch them turn it around in the second half of the season.
These people who are so down on Russ should simply become Rams fans and the problem is solved.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

It has nothing to do with a blank check but of the current economic reality concerning NFL quarterbacks. Fact says when you have a 25 yr old quarterback that by every possible metric is between top 5-10 in the league the price tag runs between 18-22M a year. Even 2nd tier quarterbacks like Carson Palmer or Alex Smith net 15M or so. This is the deal and nowhere has anyone said anything about a blank check.

On the otherhand we could be cheap and load up on every other position and be Houston who has a great team but no realistic shot of winning their division until Luck retires. We already played that record in the AFC West with Elway how'd that work out for you?

 

[SeaChase]

It's basically taboo around here to mention Wilson's flaws. When you're winning it doesn't matter. But now that the defense isn't as good nor the running game, Wilson is being asked to be more than a "game manager" and it doesn't seem to be working out that great. Two WR's have gone to other teams and have done well almost immediately. I'm not sure what "logic" people need: some more 3 and outs, missing easy throws, not seeing open WR's down field... :stirthepot:

 

[Hasselbeck]

It's basically taboo around here to mention Wilson's flaws. When you're winning it doesn't matter. But now that the defense isn't as good nor the running game, Wilson is being asked to be more than a "game manager" and it doesn't seem to be working out that great. Two WR's have gone to other teams and have done well almost immediately. I'm not sure what "logic" people need: some more 3 and outs, missing easy throws, not seeing open WR's down field... :stirthepot:

Posts like these are why football fans are simply the worst.

Golden Tate is in a much more pass-friendly offense than he ever was here in Seattle.

Percy Harvin "doing well" is hilarious since he had most of his yards in his biggest game of the year in a game that was over in the first half.

He's had a handful of bad games in his career and suddenly we're talking about letting him walk, replacing him with Marcus Mariota or KYLE ORTON?

Seriously.. stop.

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[Our Man in Chicago]

Laughing at the palpable trollage in this thread.

 

[lobohawk]

I'm a Wilson fan, but don't have illiusions about where he's at now. Without being specific, he's been a top 10 QB for the Hawks. Would I say he's Elite. Not necessarily, but that's a crappy qualifier and I don't give it to someone with only three years under their belt. Even so, he has played elite at times and been the difference in a win vs a loss.

As with most athletic QBs, he sometimes moves when he could stay in the pocket. In part, because he can. Brady, Peyton, etc can't ... so obviously they have to play from the pocket. It's a matter of capability as much as anything else. Wilson's scrambling ability probably hinders some of his other skills, as it's a crutch he's HAD to lean on in his time in Seattle. Without it, we lose in Houston....in Chicago his rookie year, etc. Couple this with Pete's philosophy (point guard, no turnovers, etc) and Wilson is somewhat channeled in his development.

There appear to be two factors which influence what he'll get paid. Market forces and what he brings to the team (currently and into the future). Demand for his capabilities will drive up the price. Quality QBs are rare and they get paid. Many teams would make a significant leap with him at QB. From there, you either believe he will continue to grow from his impressive start or not. That also will drive the price. Pretty sure the Hawks feel his ceiling is higher than most critics on here.

Yeah, would be nice to have him as cheaply as possible, without being a slap in his face, but you may have to pay him around 20 or go back to the drawing board.