Is Bevell to blame for much of this teams discontent?

[semiahmoo]

 

[Uncle Si]

My point about UDFAs and what they mean to us is that you don't pick and choose when you use them.

Yes. Yes you do.

It would be so much easier for you to look at it objectively and admit the play call and execution was poor and move on.

Listen, I don't want to be a burr in your saddle, so I'll admit we didn't run it to the precision level it was drawn up and likely practiced and a very bad thing happened.

Not a burr at all.

The idea it needed to be so precise at that moment is what has people reeling. Lynch and Wilson... let them be who they are.

 

[mistaowen]

My point about UDFAs and what they mean to us is that you don't pick and choose when you use them.

Yes. Yes you do.

It would be so much easier for you to look at it objectively and admit the play call and execution was poor and move on.

Listen, I don't want to be a burr in your saddle, so I'll admit we didn't run it to the precision level it was drawn up and likely practiced and a very bad thing happened.

jesus christ, precision level it was drawn up? Bevell is the ultimate architect. The special teams gunner on a risky throw was the biggest 'win the superbowl' play practiced? I'm shocked the Pats didn't try to force Matthew Slater into more passing plays.

 

[Siouxhawk]

My point about UDFAs and what they mean to us is that you don't pick and choose when you use them.

Yes. Yes you do.

It would be so much easier for you to look at it objectively and admit the play call and execution was poor and move on.

Listen, I don't want to be a burr in your saddle, so I'll admit we didn't run it to the precision level it was drawn up and likely practiced and a very bad thing happened.

Not a burr at all.

The idea it needed to be so precise at that moment is what has people reeling. Lynch and Wilson... let them be who they are.

I consider every play precision as you have 11 working parts. This type of bang-bang timing play actually looks pretty effortless when it comes together. Just 1 of 2 things needed to happen, Si ... and we would've had them. But looking back to the past just gets us a neckache.

 

[Seymour]

My point about UDFAs and what they mean to us is that you don't pick and choose when you use them.

Yes. Yes you do.

It would be so much easier for you to look at it objectively and admit the play call and execution was poor and move on.

Listen, I don't want to be a burr in your saddle, so I'll admit we didn't run it to the precision level it was drawn up and likely practiced and a very bad thing happened.

LMAO. See Uncle? He will not cry Uncle!
100% nothing to do with anything Bevell called there will ever be acknowledged. ukeface:

 

[semiahmoo]

Apologies for somewhat off-topic here but I didn't make this post as well as a second one in this thread.

How is that possible? I would hate to think someone else would somehow be going into my account and posting under my name.

Who in here would have the power to do that? It's a terrible violation.

I am not sure who to contact about this. Feel free to PM me to let me know.

Carry on!

 

[Siouxhawk]

I'll make acknowledgements when they're warranted. This wasn't it. I think you spittled on yourself.

 

[Uncle Si]

I consider every play precision as you have 11 working parts. This type of bang-bang timing play actually looks pretty effortless when it comes together. Just 1 of 2 things needed to happen, Si ... and we would've had them. But looking back to the past just gets us a neckache.

Are you being purposefully naive?

A hand off to Lynch or even letting Wilson run the read option is not nearly as intricate as the play called. Shit, a fade to Baldwin..

Doesn't matter. You're protecting something that does not need protection. the team, the staff, the players cannot get better from this level of mistake if its not owned up. Thus... part of the discontent the team finds itself in.

 

[cymatica]

I'll admit we didn't run it to the precision level it was drawn up and likely practiced and a very bad thing happened.

I.e., the playcall was perfect, the players just didn't live up to Bevell's standards.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I consider every play precision as you have 11 working parts. This type of bang-bang timing play actually looks pretty effortless when it comes together. Just 1 of 2 things needed to happen, Si ... and we would've had them. But looking back to the past just gets us a neckache.

Are you being purposefully naive?

A hand off to Lynch or even letting Wilson run the read option is not nearly as intricate as the play called. Shit, a fade to Baldwin..

Doesn't matter. You're protecting something that does not need protection. the team, the staff, the players cannot get better from this level of mistake if its not owned up. Thus... part of the discontent the team finds itself in.

What do you mean 'owned up?'

I'm sure there was a series of team meetings in February of 2015 and again at the start of training camp where they reviewed the game, discussed what they learned from it and determined how they would use it going forward.

And did you see that 108 TD passes were thrown from the 1 in the 2014 season, without 1 resulting in an interception prior to our ill-fated attempt. Many of those, I'm sure, were timing patterns. So it's not like we reinvented the wheel.

 

[Jimjones0384]

The difference in that scenario, and one that has been stated repeatedly, is you are putting the ball in the hands of Marshawn Lynch and not asking two undrafted free agents to secure a Super Bowl win.

The rehashing is cathartic for many. But it's also germane to recent events. It wouldn't be a 7 page thread if you'd state your case and let others do the same without debating them at every turn.

Why now do you spin the undrafted free agent angle as being a weakness. Those types of players have been our strongest assets.

SB No. 49.

People calling me out by quoting me brings me back into the picture. The mod who got involved late did exactly this.

drop the mod thing Sioux... noone here is replying to you as a mod.

Undrafted free agents were not the team's strongest assets. that's absurd. They have been very good fits. But Sherman, Lynch, Wilson, Thomas, Kam, Bennet, Avril, Irvin were not undrafted free agents.

And let's just say you want to add Baldwin to the conversation... fine. Throw to him. He was far better the receiver than the two used.

You spin this over and over without allowing any accountability to take place for the play. It was a blunder. Own it and move on. The Hawks haven't, which is why it's still an issue.

Bennett was an undrafted free agent.

 

[scutterhawk]

The difference in that scenario, and one that has been stated repeatedly, is you are putting the ball in the hands of Marshawn Lynch and not asking two undrafted free agents to secure a Super Bowl win.

The rehashing is cathartic for many. But it's also germane to recent events. It wouldn't be a 7 page thread if you'd state your case and let others do the same without debating them at every turn.

Why now do you spin the undrafted free agent angle as being a weakness. Those types of players have been our strongest assets.

SB No. 49.

People calling me out by quoting me brings me back into the picture. The mod who got involved late did exactly this. And you bring up a good idea, Si -- how about a post limit per thread? I'd be all in favor of that. It would certainly limit the amount of trolling that goes on or at least the redundancy from at least 3 on here.

Look at it this way Sioux....THEY have MORE than their fair share of these SEVEN PAGES.
Maybe you were suppose to CONCEDE, and just give them the moral high ground, four pages ago?

 

[Siouxhawk]

The difference in that scenario, and one that has been stated repeatedly, is you are putting the ball in the hands of Marshawn Lynch and not asking two undrafted free agents to secure a Super Bowl win.

The rehashing is cathartic for many. But it's also germane to recent events. It wouldn't be a 7 page thread if you'd state your case and let others do the same without debating them at every turn.

Why now do you spin the undrafted free agent angle as being a weakness. Those types of players have been our strongest assets.

SB No. 49.

People calling me out by quoting me brings me back into the picture. The mod who got involved late did exactly this. And you bring up a good idea, Si -- how about a post limit per thread? I'd be all in favor of that. It would certainly limit the amount of trolling that goes on or at least the redundancy from at least 3 on here.

Look at it this way Sioux....THEY have MORE than their fair share of these SEVEN PAGES.
Maybe you were suppose to CONCEDE, and just give them the moral high ground, four pages ago?

Hi scutter. Probably would have if they hadn't kept pulling me back in by being so infatuated with my opinions and quoting me thus. Feeling a little Michael Corleoneish.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Point blank - its hard to have any meaningful or constructive conversations when the following are in play

1. We've returned the vast majority of starters on our team YoY for several years - there is no intrigue of big gains by discounted players, it's all about players that were here in 2013-2014 and new additions playing up to the level the team showed in 2013 and 2014.

2. Coaching turnover has only nipped our DC position so there's no intrigue there.

3. Any inflection point to ask if the team could do a better job in any regard is met with objection from whatever faction is under the scope for improvement. Bevell defenders, Cable defenders, RW defenders, Defense defenders, JS defenders, etc etc all tell you in one way or another that if you don't think their pet cause is perfect you have a problem with PC. It's a function of falling in love with an aspect of the team that was present during the height of success and assigning blame outward away from their pet cause as if the issues with one part of the team don't spill over to others.

4. The team hasn't changed nearly enough schematically to have meaningful X and O conversations. What if we did X or Y or Z don't have any traction because the Seahawks will never waver too far from A, B and C. We could point out alternatives and what other teams do until we're lime green in the face and it won't make one iota of a difference from anything we see on the field. It's not even fun to speculate because you know outside of 4 or 5 plays per season, you are digesting the same stuff you did in previous seasons.

Basically the team has stagnated from the view point of fan intrigue even if the results are solid. The novelty of 2012 and 2013 are long gone and what we have to discuss is so much of what we already know and feel given the lack of roster and coaching upheaval.

There is an element of "Favs" and you can't criticize my guy, but I think it stems from a lack of nuance in the discussion. Just look at the title of this thread. It's an all or nothing proposal. People criticize a play or a play call and sometimes it's warranted, but too often I read a post and think, well there are a lot of moving parts to make any play work, and there are defensive players who are working just as hard to blow the play up. What this site lacks is people who can dissect plays from multiple angles and too many posters like me that don't know poop.

As for Bevell? Bevell does what Pete wants. Pete prefers to not be tricky. Here's what we do, try to stop it. Don't turn the ball over while going for the occasional explosive play.

Well that's what the real issue was on the play, they went cute and it exploded like a Nuclear bomb with some of the team, the media and the fans.

"The Play" is an excellent example of a discussion with a lack of nuance. I've heard it called Stupidest Call in the history of football. No hyperbole in that phrase, nope none at all. I don't think it was a great call, but what distinguishes it is, it had the worst outcome in Seahawk history.

What you left out is "the 2nd and wrong" was called the "dumbest play in Super Bowl history" by a ton of NON-Hawks fans,
That don't have a dog in the fight and don't love or hate the OC that made that horrific play call.

 

[semiahmoo]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

 

[scutterhawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Imagine the difference in reaction had this been on 3rd down. Completely different, whether they handed it to Beast and he gets stuffed or Russ rolls out and throws it in to the stands on 2nd down.

 

[semiahmoo]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

Don't know if I would call some NFL Hall of Famers "nobodies" but if that's your take, have at it.

 

[Seymour]

What do you mean 'owned up?'

I'm sure there was a series of team meetings in February of 2015 and again at the start of training camp where they reviewed the game, discussed what they learned from it and determined how they would use it going forward.

And did you see that 108 TD passes were thrown from the 1 in the 2014 season, without 1 resulting in an interception prior to our ill-fated attempt. Many of those, I'm sure, were timing patterns. So it's not like we reinvented the wheel.

Conjecture...Conjecture!!!....Where is your link? Prove this or "step off". :snack:

 

[scutterhawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

Don't know if I would call some NFL Hall of Famers "nobodies" but if that's your take, have at it.

Just because someone is a "Hall Of Famer" doesn't mean that they can't be just as susceptible to making mistakes as some "Nobodies" :141847_bnono: