In your own opinion how far off are we from a title run?

[TwistedHusky]

There is literally another thread titled 'Reason we look like crap' following this thread.

2 teams get to make the SB. Generally, these are upper echelon teams.

We are not an upper echelon team.

There are probably 4 teams in the NFC alone with better chances at a SB than us. But the reality is we had our SB.

We are not getting another one until the Carroll era ends, we endure a stream of mediocre to terrible coaches, and finally hit upon another group of great players and great coaches. Great teams eventually lose players and coaches, then become merely good. Finally, they sink into mediocrity or turn terrible enough to reload.

Unless you are the Patriots you don't get to regularly shoot for the ring. We are not the Patriots. We are a crappier version of what the Steelers turned into after their SBs ended. But the Steelers did a much better job of still consistently being a playoff threat than we have been.

In short, unless there is a massive change it how this team operates, it won't be with Carroll and Wilson. Nor should we be expecting it. We should be aspiring to what the Packers did with Rodgers, regular playoff visits, a few games won in the playoffs, and regularly competitive.

 

[getnasty]

There is literally another thread titled 'Reason we look like crap' following this thread.

2 teams get to make the SB. Generally, these are upper echelon teams.

We are not an upper echelon team.

There are probably 4 teams in the NFC alone with better chances at a SB than us. But the reality is we had our SB.

We are not getting another one until the Carroll era ends, we endure a stream of mediocre to terrible coaches, and finally hit upon another group of great players and great coaches. Great teams eventually lose players and coaches, then become merely good. Finally, they sink into mediocrity or turn terrible enough to reload.

Unless you are the Patriots you don't get to regularly shoot for the ring. We are not the Patriots. We are a crappier version of what the Steelers turned into after their SBs ended. But the Steelers did a much better job of still consistently being a playoff threat than we have been.

In short, unless there is a massive change it how this team operates, it won't be with Carroll and Wilson. Nor should we be expecting it. We should be aspiring to what the Packers did with Rodgers, regular playoff visits, a few games won in the playoffs, and regularly competitive.

Depressing as shit.

While we're not playing at a championship level at the moment, there's not a team in the NFC that scares me in any way. Not saying we'd be favored in to many playoff games but give me Russell Wilson in any of those games and let's see what happens.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Why is it depressing?

We had a SB, we won one in dominating fashion. Most fans don't get that.

We had another SB run.

You got to see some of the greatest to ever play their position wear Seahawk jerseys.

We have what looks to be a HOF QB.

Before we went the SB, there was another team that used to go to SBs and thought they were destined for more. Instead, we rose up. Someone else will rise up but we aren't what we were.

We have a coach that is very good at keeping a team competitive while missing a lot of pieces. (That isn't the same as being good at rebuilding once-great teams into SB contenders again.)

There is a lot of great football to be watched (hopefully) while Carroll is here. It will be worse when he leaves, so it isn't time to get depressed yet....but SBs are not in the forecast at all.

 

[thegameq]

One to two years away.

We need to start hitting it big in the draft and the current crop needs to step up or get pushed out. This is going to be very difficult because other teams are drafting along the same lines as the Seahawks. Really puts into perspective how lucky we got with the LOB.

It also puts into perspective why coaching, game planning and scheme trumps overall talent in the NFL.

See Belichick (sp?).

 

[justafan]

It can happen any year we have Pete and a QB like Wilson. Any good team can get hot and lucky to go on a run at the end of the year.

Couldn't disagree more. No one knows more than us that Championship teams are built, not teams that get hot or lucky at the end of the year.

Sure once in a while someone like Nick Foles jumps up and plays out of his mind to help a team win a SB, but that's not paying attention to the fact that the Eagles had a GREAT defense and talent all over their roster already.

Championship teams are built over a 3-4 cycle of making the right organizational decisions and drafting/acquiring players.

We did that from 2010-2013, and haven't been as successful since. So how far away are we? Idk, our defense needs to get more talent, physical and dynamic. So however long that takes. Unfortunately it might take a 6-9 season like 2009 so we can finally get some serious draft capital at the top of the draft, and not just keep drafting mediocre players at the bottom half of rounds.

I cant really disagree with any of your points. Its easy to look at this team and say no way. The most important pieces are coach and QB. We have those. The D is a player or three away but they can play pretty good. They did Sinday.

Every year you are bringing in 10 or 15 new players. Teams can and have to gel fast to have a SB season. If the young guys develop and we bring in some players next year with that edge and toughness it can happen.


Bmore You are right but you forgot the ref factor.

 

[MORGULON]

Right now i think a TE, Wr and either a safety or another De that is solid.

Thoughts?

TE , WR

And then they have to figure out the defense. Pete Carroll seems to think it'll start happening towards the end of this season. I think they have to nail the next draft then 2 years after that.

This is my guess.

 

[kobebryant]

On one hand I have always thought that 2020 was the year, with the convergence of substantial draft capital, cap space and young pieces being further seasoned (Dissly, DK, Carson, Poona, Quill etc) . But, I'm also not willing to count out the 2019 version of Russell Wilson in what amounts to a 3-4 game tournament.

 

[JustTheTip]

There is literally another thread titled 'Reason we look like crap' following this thread.

2 teams get to make the SB. Generally, these are upper echelon teams.

We are not an upper echelon team.

There are probably 4 teams in the NFC alone with better chances at a SB than us. But the reality is we had our SB.

We are not getting another one until the Carroll era ends, we endure a stream of mediocre to terrible coaches, and finally hit upon another group of great players and great coaches. Great teams eventually lose players and coaches, then become merely good. Finally, they sink into mediocrity or turn terrible enough to reload.

Unless you are the Patriots you don't get to regularly shoot for the ring. We are not the Patriots. We are a crappier version of what the Steelers turned into after their SBs ended. But the Steelers did a much better job of still consistently being a playoff threat than we have been.

In short, unless there is a massive change it how this team operates, it won't be with Carroll and Wilson. Nor should we be expecting it. We should be aspiring to what the Packers did with Rodgers, regular playoff visits, a few games won in the playoffs, and regularly competitive.

This is why my opinion is that it is time to get on with it before all remnants of the winning culture Pete established start to dissolve.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

On one hand I have always thought that 2020 was the year, with the convergence of substantial draft capital, cap space and young pieces being further seasoned (Dissly, DK, Carson, Poona, Quill etc) . But, I'm also not willing to count out the 2019 version of Russell Wilson in what amounts to a 3-4 game tournament.

I am. We saw what a real SB contender looked like when the Saints rolled into town and kicked our asses with a backup QB.

It takes far more than just a great QB to win a SB. Just ask the Packers, they thought what you think for a solid 6-7 years of Rodger's prime. Now they finally get it, jettisoned all their old vets and have spent the last four years drafting young talented defensive players.

Yes you need a talented QB to win a SB now, but it takes FAR more than that.........and we don't have the rest of it, specifically defense and special teams.

I do think our offense is good enough to win a SB, but not our defense and special teams.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And maybe at some point we can stop saying we lost to a "backup" QB? The Saints might be the best team in the NFC and haven't lost a game with Teddy 2 Gloves.

 

[JerHawk81]

I think that we have the pieces to make a run this year. We just need those pieces to click. We have a lot of talent on the DL and LB positions. We are solid at CB, and have one legit starters at S with a second showing some promise. If things start to click, this could get fun.

If they don't... well... that's another story.

 

[HawkerD]

An Honest assessment will show that we are quite a bit away. Especially considering our 2 big edge rushers are likely gone after the season. We have the QB but as Sgt Largent pointed out it does take more than that.

We could look to a lot of things but it really comes down to poor draft execution in the early rounds. Lockett is the only player you can conceivably look at as a very good pick (we'll see about Griffen & Reed). Jury is out on 2019 but when an early rounder is not starting on day 1 (LJ and Blair) something went wrong.

In the cap era, You have to hit on a bunch of young players. That is the formula.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

And maybe at some point we can stop saying we lost to a "backup" QB? The Saints might be the best team in the NFC and haven't lost a game with Teddy 2 Gloves.

Right, cause they're really good all over their roster.

Would we be 6-1 without Russell playing the last four games? That's my point, takes far more than just Russell, which most glass half full people on this thread keep puking up.

 

[getnasty]

Why is it depressing?

We had a SB, we won one in dominating fashion. Most fans don't get that.

We had another SB run.

You got to see some of the greatest to ever play their position wear Seahawk jerseys.

We have what looks to be a HOF QB.

Before we went the SB, there was another team that used to go to SBs and thought they were destined for more. Instead, we rose up. Someone else will rise up but we aren't what we were.

We have a coach that is very good at keeping a team competitive while missing a lot of pieces. (That isn't the same as being good at rebuilding once-great teams into SB contenders again.)

There is a lot of great football to be watched (hopefully) while Carroll is here. It will be worse when he leaves, so it isn't time to get depressed yet....but SBs are not in the forecast at all.

It's depressing because you sound like there's literally zero chance this team or any Seahawks team in the foreseeable future can make a title run.

Blake Bortles and Case Keenum have recently made runs surely Russ and the Hawks have at least a little bit of a chance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No, the Saints are a better team with OR without Brees. It's what I've been trying to say since we lost to them. :?

 

[JustTheTip]

Why is it depressing?

We had a SB, we won one in dominating fashion. Most fans don't get that.

We had another SB run.

You got to see some of the greatest to ever play their position wear Seahawk jerseys.

We have what looks to be a HOF QB.

Before we went the SB, there was another team that used to go to SBs and thought they were destined for more. Instead, we rose up. Someone else will rise up but we aren't what we were.

We have a coach that is very good at keeping a team competitive while missing a lot of pieces. (That isn't the same as being good at rebuilding once-great teams into SB contenders again.)

There is a lot of great football to be watched (hopefully) while Carroll is here. It will be worse when he leaves, so it isn't time to get depressed yet....but SBs are not in the forecast at all.

It's depressing because you sound like there's literally zero chance this team or any Seahawks team in the foreseeable future can make a title run.

Blake Bortles and Case Keenum have recently made runs surely Russ and the Hawks have at least a little bit of a chance.

Zero chance? No. Much better chance by getting on with the process of evolving the team to the next thing yes. Low risk, low reward. High risk, high reward. I am tired of stagnation.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

A truly disruptive pass rush and a very good free safety away.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

No, the Saints are a better team with OR without Brees. It's what I've been trying to say since we lost to them. :?

Right, and we aren't.

So how far are we from a title run? A hell of a lot further away than the Saints.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'll wait to decide on that come December. A lot of football to be played. This team isn't Super Bowl level YET, but they will be in the near future.

 

[JustTheTip]

A truly disruptive pass rush and a very good free safety away.

Should have a good pass rush with the front seven they have.