Importance of the Center position

[massari]

I didn't see Geno getting killed and running all over the place
He took less sacks and played all 18 unlike #3 who took 55?
In 3 less games?

2021 stats in the same offense:

Geno 95 attempts 13 sacks
Wilson 400 attempts 33 sacks

 

[pittpnthrs]

I didn't see Geno getting killed and running all over the place
He took less sacks and played all 18 unlike #3 who took 55?
In 3 less games?

Because you refuse to see it. Geno was sacked 46 times last season.

 

[pittpnthrs]

If he was so worried about it why did he refuse to throw checkdowns for most of his career?

Seems like an easy way to not get hit.

I can only assume its because he had to try and make things happen in order for the team to have a chance at winning due to poor game day planning and coaching.

 

[nwHawk]

Hard to fully judge that line. Solari’s last year here. Pocic, Duane Brown, Lewis and Brandon Shell all dealt with injuries. Lewis was transitioning to LG, and wasn’t nearly as good or comfortable looking.

Kyle Fuller played some center, that line had The Great Cedric Ogbuehi, another former bust that didn’t do squat here. Hell, rookie Jack Curhan looked like stud compared to the trash that was on the field. No QB would have done well once the patches and injuries started to pile up.

 

[LickMyNuts]

Because you refuse to see it. Geno was sacked 46 times last season.

With a RC at right and left tackle and in a division with Watt and Bosa. Honestly not bad.

 

[LickMyNuts]

I can only assume its because he had to try and make things happen in order for the team to have a chance at winning due to poor game day planning and coaching.

And yet other qb’s like TB and AR use the checkdowns and throw the ball away and win games.

 

[olyfan63]

Its very important. For years all I heard was how good Pocic was and how his year in Cleveland proved it. Regardless of his good year with the Browns, the guy was adsolute dog crap in Seattle.

Maybe he finally figured out how to work out properly to get stronger, or simply fit Cleveland's scheme, plus had better guards on each side? Maybe got better coaching on technique and got some mentoring that improved his approach in watching film and anticipating/neutralizing opponents' best moves?

I know jack about evaluating Centers aside from it's bad when they get immediately bull-rushed into the QB or allow immediate penetration vs. the run. It just seems the light bulb went on for Pocic and maybe the change of scenery and jolt of reality of the business side of the NFL made him take things more seriously and be more focused in Cleveland. There's also the Nick Chubb at RB factor, where Chubb's abilities make his OL grade better. Probably a combination of things.

Happy for Pocic and sad the Hawks didn't get the benefit of his best years.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And yet other qb’s like TB and AR use the checkdowns and throw the ball away and win games.

And they werent handicapped by a philosophy and scheme that always wanted kept the games close. How people choose to forget all the 4th quarter heroics from #3 over the years is beyond me.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Maybe he finally figured out how to work out properly to get stronger, or simply fit Cleveland's scheme, plus had better guards on each side? Maybe got better coaching on technique and got some mentoring that improved his approach in watching film and anticipating/neutralizing opponents' best moves?

I know jack about evaluating Centers aside from it's bad when they get immediately bull-rushed into the QB or allow immediate penetration vs. the run. It just seems the light bulb went on for Pocic and maybe the change of scenery and jolt of reality of the business side of the NFL made him take things more seriously and be more focused in Cleveland. There's also the Nick Chubb at RB factor, where Chubb's abilities make his OL grade better. Probably a combination of things.

Happy for Pocic and sad the Hawks didn't get the benefit of his best years.

Good post

 

[LickMyNuts]

And they werent handicapped by a philosophy and scheme that always wanted kept the games close. How people choose to forget all the 4th quarter heroics from #3 over the years is beyond me.

When the defense fell off he fizzled in the playoffs. He isn’t able to carry a team like some qb’s.

PC mentioned several times over the years that RW needed to get rid of the ball quicker.

Saying he was ruined by the Seahawks lets him off the hook. He was terrible in Denver with a team he said he didn’t have to carry?

I guess we’ll see if SP is able to get the best out of him?

Geno moving in and making the offense look better at a fraction of the cost is proof that PC knows what he’s doing.

 

[hawkfan68]

When the defense fell off he fizzled in the playoffs. He isn’t able to carry a team like some qb’s.

PC mentioned several times over the years that RW needed to get rid of the ball quicker.

Saying he was ruined by the Seahawks lets him off the hook. He was terrible in Denver with a team he said he didn’t have to carry?

I guess we’ll see if SP is able to get the best out of him?

Geno moving in and making the offense look better at a fraction of the cost is proof that PC knows what he’s doing.

All that is well and good. The fact still remains that Geno was sacked 46 times last season which is still on par with how many sacks Russ took during a season while he was with the Seahawks.

 

[Hollandhawk]

And they werent handicapped by a philosophy and scheme that always wanted kept the games close. How people choose to forget all the 4th quarter heroics from #3 over the years is beyond me.

Always wanted to keep games close?! Lol...another false narrative that gets pushed. And when did this philosophy start hmm? How you are forgetting all the teams that got crushed in the early years of the LOB is beyond me.

 

[LickMyNuts]

All that is well and good. The fact still remains that Geno was sacked 46 times last season which is still on par with how many sacks Russ took during a season while he was with the Seahawks.

Yeah, with two rookie tackles in a division with Watt and Bosa.

Did Geno get gun shy and start ducking into sacks?

Also the defense was so bad that we had to sling it more. The sack numbers don’t mean much without context.

 

[hawkfan68]

Yeah, with two rookie tackles in a division with Watt and Bosa.

Did Geno get gun shy and start ducking into sacks?

Also the defense was so bad that we had to sling it more. The sack numbers don’t mean much without context.

Sure looks like he did on a few of those. Here are a few examples -

Los Angeles Rams linebacker Bobby Wagner sacks Geno Smith | Week 13 vs. Seattle Seahawks at SoFi Stadium

Game Highlights: Austin Johnson Looks Electric on Powerful Sack of Geno Smith

Joe Tryon-Shoyinka Chases Down Geno Smith for Third Down Sack | Seahawks vs. Bucs Highlights

OLB Joe Tryon-Shoyinka gets a third down sack against the Seattle Seahawks in Week 10 in Germany.

www.buccaneers.com

Billings and Nichols engulf Geno Smith for 9-yard sack

Xavier McKinney sacks Geno Smith to force punt | Giants vs. Seahawks Highlights

Cam Jordan engulfs Geno Smith on fourth down sack - Saints Seahawks Highlights - 2022 Week 5

Arik Armstead Sacks Geno Smith to Force a Seahawks Three-and-Out

Geno is like a statue and doesn't even move 2 feet out of the pocket. Furthermore, he also holds the ball too long. I didn't see many quick throws on those sacks. On some, he had lots of time to throw it away too.

 

[IndyHawk]

Because you refuse to see it. Geno was sacked 46 times last season.

Your refusing to see he had less with over 3 more games than Me3.
We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[IndyHawk]

All that is well and good. The fact still remains that Geno was sacked 46 times last season which is still on par with how many sacks Russ took during a season while he was with the Seahawks.

How many did Me3 take last year in 14.5 games?His offense,Not having to carry a team,and a better OL!

 

[hawkfan68]

How many did Me3 take last year in 14.5 games?His offense,Not having to carry a team,and a better OL!

Who gives a rats ass about how many sacks RW took last year. He was on the Broncos. His play had zero impact on what the Seahawks did.

In Russ’ defense, he was playing in a new system with a rookie head coach. Plus his #1 WR and RB were injured early (out for the season).

 

[pittpnthrs]

When the defense fell off he fizzled in the playoffs. He isn’t able to carry a team like some qb’s.

PC mentioned several times over the years that RW needed to get rid of the ball quicker.

Saying he was ruined by the Seahawks lets him off the hook. He was terrible in Denver with a team he said he didn’t have to carry?

I guess we’ll see if SP is able to get the best out of him?

Geno moving in and making the offense look better at a fraction of the cost is proof that PC knows what he’s doing.

In order to carry a Pete Carroll team the QB has to almost play flawless, HOF caliber ball. I doubt TB or AR's would have been more successful than RW with their lack of mobility.

Smith played as well as he can play and the team still was only 1 game over .500. When a Geno Smith lead team under Pete Carroll wins at least one post season game, get back to me.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Who gives a rats ass about how many sacks RW took last year. He was on the Broncos. His play had zero impact on what the Seahawks did.

In Russ’ defense, he was playing in a new system with a rookie head coach. Plus his #1 WR and RB were injured early (out for the season).

Quit making sense.

 

[LickMyNuts]

In order to carry a Pete Carroll team the QB has to almost play flawless, HOF caliber ball. I doubt TB or AR's would have been more successful than RW with their lack of mobility.

Smith played as well as he can play and the team still was only 1 game over .500. When a Geno Smith lead team under Pete Carroll wins at least one post season game, get back to me.

Your arguments fell flat when RW tanked with Denver and the Seahawks made the playoffs while they try to rebuild and dump salary.

Get back to me when RW wins anything in Denver.