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rcaido":244u5ziv said:TwistedHusky":244u5ziv said:Nice Cherry Picking.
If you want to wallow in ignorance, please continue.
1990s the average passer in the NFL was 190yds a game.
2018 the average passer in the NFL is 250 a game.
The article points out the other areas QBs have all miraculously gotten better.
Bear in mind the median is worse.
Go back and look at career leaders in passing yards per game.
Weirdly Stafford and Cousins are better than Fouts. Winston is better than Marino and Favre.
But sure....the numbers clearly similar. Today's QBs don't have weird advantages. They just naturally all pass for more yards per game because of amazing coincidence.
I am literally laughing at your suggestion that Wilson is elite because of raw #s when you see Winston and Stafford are elite by that standard.
That was the 90s...
2002
average Passing was 212.2 yards
average TD was 21.7tds
average INT was 16.5
average ATT was 540.4
average CMP% was 59.6
vs
2017
average Passing was 224.4 yards
average TD was 23.2tds
average INT was 13.4
average ATT was 546.5
average CMP% was 62.1
It really hasn't been an extreme jump like you were suggesting.
TwistedHusky":1at2ui87 said:Except 2017 was more the outlier than the rule wasn't it?
And again, the median is worse.
Right now, in 2018 we are averaging over 250.
It isn't just the rules that Manning and Brady schemed for that changed things. That was just a large shift, but the change to make it easier for QBs and harder on defenses started before that and has continued to this day. All of which inflate the #s. To the point they are not comparable with historic QBs.
And it does not change the fact that a number of very average QBs in the game are higher on yds per game basis than a lot of HOF QBs. The bulkd of the rest of numbers make this very clear.
If you want to pick 2000 as the point you think that rule changes made it easier on QBs because it makes your argument easier. Have at it. But the average QB today is much much better in #s than the average QB in almost any other decade. So using words like 'historic' to burnish Wilson's record is stupid, because a lot of QBs in history with worse #s were ridiculously better. And that was the whole argument, that Wilson isn't close to historically good - he just plays at a time very good QBs have great #s. And he has a whole lot of rules protecting his health that other past QBs did not get.
He isn't elite. He isn't top 3 right now at all. And no amount of playing the 'shell game' with statistics will change that.
He plays at a time that the NFL has made it much easier on QBs and there are plenty of #s to show this. While he has good to great numbers, so do Stafford and Ryan - are they historic too? Is Winson's amazing yards per game historic too? (Even though he lost his starting position?)
The numbers don't matter because everyone puts up numbers right now. Or more accurately, they matter less.
I am sorry if that hurts your delusion that somehow Wilson is a transcendent QB. Because Mahomes is showing there are going to be lots of guys like Wilson, and likely better than him as the pocket passer shifts to athletic mobile QBs. (Good god, imagine if Randall Cunningham played now)
SoulfishHawk":1hwftqnu said::snack:
rcaido":2nl9yc4k said:so I guess elite QBs are not allowed to have bad games unless your name is Brady, Erin, and Brees...
Wilson only wins because he has Beastmode
Wilson only wins because he has best defense team
Wilson stats are only good because this is not like the 80s or 90z rules
Bull (cough, *^ cough) SHIT.TwistedHusky":2zpibwjz said:I disagree.
The rule changes significantly favor QBs more than any time before. To the tune of 100yds per game.
While Wilson might be on a team that throws less than the rest of the league, go look at how often guys were throwing even when Montana was QB.
There was no 5yd penalties and you get a new set of downs. No ridiculous protections for the QB.
If you look at the career passing #s you will find today's QBs are all up there. Because the field is slanted toward the QB. It is laughable to say that because Wilson has some of the best #s all time that he is one of the best QBs of all time. He isn't even one of the best QBs NOW.
Remember when Dak was putting up tremendous #s as a rookie and wiping away records? Of course he was, because historically teams did not play their rookies.
Wilson puts up great numbers because all decent QBs put up great #s in today's offenses, with today's rules vs the QBs of yesterday. But he isn't the next Montana or Young and guys like even Warren Moon would have a field day in today's offenses with today's rules.
rcaido":tfao9ws9 said:so I guess elite QBs are not allowed to have bad games unless your name is Brady, Erin, and Brees...
Wilson only wins because he has Beastmode
Wilson only wins because he has best defense team
Wilson stats are only good because this is not like the 80s or 90z rules