if Marshawn has 3 more good years as a Seahawk

[MizzouHawkGal]

sprhawk,

please just stop now.. Alexander was a very good back, who benefited from one of the greatest left sides in seahawk history and arguably league history.. what lynch does on a weekly basis with the current line, is beyond spectacular... it's great to appreciate what shaun did for us, but let's not get carried away..

there's no way Alexander breaks those tackles and makes that run.. Give the man his just credit...

Just imagine Marshaun behind that line of 2005. Utter domination is what that would be. Not saying Alexander is bad but that line made it easy.

 

[jlwaters1]

I like Lynch alot better than Shaun Alexander. His style is what I like. I hated SA falling down when there wasn't anything to be had.
Both are great backs. It will be fun to see what Lynch can do over the next 2-4 years.

 

[jlwaters1]

I'm sorry, I don't get the Alexander hate. Lynch does only seldom tear off big runs. He's usually a smash-the-pile-forward-for-nine-yards kind of guy. It's what he does, and that kind of running just doesn't rack up the huge yardage games. The most yards per game he racked up all last year, even while "carrying the weight" because of Wilson's learning curve was 128. His career high for a game is 158, his rookie year. He had two straight seasons where he didn't break 100 yards. He's a great back, but he gets consistent, low-yardage carries based on his style.

I have the feeling many posters here hopped aboard in 2007 the way they talk about Alexander. His running style may be criticized for being "soft," but remember that awesome streak of games where he maintained at least one 10+ yard rush every single game? As I recall, that number is in the high sixties or low seventies and is an NFL record. He consistently had plays that broke long, and that was fun to watch. It's also the reason he has so many yards rushing.

I think it's a pretty steep bet Lynch ends up #2 all-time Seahawks rusher. That's a lot of yards. Last year was his best year by far at 1,580. He can do it, and I hope like hell he will, but it'll be tough.

The x-factor you don't seem to be factoring in is the read-option. Go look at Lynch's game log's from Chicago onward He got alot more production averaging 11 yards a carry in 2 straight games. The read-option really opens up things for the running game. I think if we continue to use it. We'll see Lnych with with another 1200+ yards season in 2013.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

I'm sorry, I don't get the Alexander hate. Lynch does only seldom tear off big runs. He's usually a smash-the-pile-forward-for-nine-yards kind of guy. It's what he does, and that kind of running just doesn't rack up the huge yardage games. The most yards per game he racked up all last year, even while "carrying the weight" because of Wilson's learning curve was 128. His career high for a game is 158, his rookie year. He had two straight seasons where he didn't break 100 yards. He's a great back, but he gets consistent, low-yardage carries based on his style.

I have the feeling many posters here hopped aboard in 2007 the way they talk about Alexander. His running style may be criticized for being "soft," but remember that awesome streak of games where he maintained at least one 10+ yard rush every single game? As I recall, that number is in the high sixties or low seventies and is an NFL record. He consistently had plays that broke long, and that was fun to watch. It's also the reason he has so many yards rushing.

I think it's a pretty steep bet Lynch ends up #2 all-time Seahawks rusher. That's a lot of yards. Last year was his best year by far at 1,580. He can do it, and I hope like hell he will, but it'll be tough.

The x-factor you don't seem to be factoring in is the read-option. Go look at Lynch's game log's from Chicago onward He got alot more production averaging 11 yards a carry in 2 straight games. The read-option really opens up things for the running game. I think if we continue to use it. We'll see Lnych with with another 1200+ yards season in 2013.

From page one of this thread:

I think the read option will certainly help his cause. It separates defenders, opens the field for him a bit more, and allows him to get down field further before most of the contact, at least some of the time. It also pulls at least some defenders away from his side of the field and takes them out of the tackle.

So yes, I believe the read option is definitely a bonus for Lynch. I could see several more years of 1,200+ yardage, but even so, it's a tough one. Can he do it? Most certainly. Will he? I wouldn't put a whole lotta money on it, but it's probably worth considering as a minor gamble.

 

[grizrgood]

I'm sorry, I don't get the Alexander hate. Lynch does only seldom tear off big runs. He's usually a smash-the-pile-forward-for-nine-yards kind of guy. It's what he does, and that kind of running just doesn't rack up the huge yardage games. The most yards per game he racked up all last year, even while "carrying the weight" because of Wilson's learning curve was 128. His career high for a game is 158, his rookie year. He had two straight seasons where he didn't break 100 yards. He's a great back, but he gets consistent, low-yardage carries based on his style.

I have the feeling many posters here hopped aboard in 2007 the way they talk about Alexander. His running style may be criticized for being "soft," but remember that awesome streak of games where he maintained at least one 10+ yard rush every single game? As I recall, that number is in the high sixties or low seventies and is an NFL record. He consistently had plays that broke long, and that was fun to watch. It's also the reason he has so many yards rushing.

I think it's a pretty steep bet Lynch ends up #2 all-time Seahawks rusher. That's a lot of yards. Last year was his best year by far at 1,580. He can do it, and I hope like hell he will, but it'll be tough.

The x-factor you don't seem to be factoring in is the read-option. Go look at Lynch's game log's from Chicago onward He got alot more production averaging 11 yards a carry in 2 straight games. The read-option really opens up things for the running game. I think if we continue to use it. We'll see Lnych with with another 1200+ yards season in 2013.

From page one of this thread:

I think the read option will certainly help his cause. It separates defenders, opens the field for him a bit more, and allows him to get down field further before most of the contact, at least some of the time. It also pulls at least some defenders away from his side of the field and takes them out of the tackle.

So yes, I believe the read option is definitely a bonus for Lynch. I could see several more years of 1,200+ yardage, but even so, it's a tough one. Can he do it? Most certainly. Will he? I wouldn't put a whole lotta money on it, but it's probably worth considering as a minor gamble.

To be very honest, even though SA was obviously one of the better backs in Seahawk history, I am not much of a fan! My perception of him is very simple, got a big contract and stopped playing! He was never a real physical back but OMG was it bad after he got paid. I will never be able to stomach that BS! Lynch has such a brutal, pounding, in your face type of running style that I adore and am thankful he's a Seahawk! I wouldn't trade Lynch for anyone at this point but I agree that he may not be around after 3 years because of that running style.

 

[themunn]

Marshawn got a lot of his yards early this season because PC was limiting RW. It's not going to be the case this year, so you never know. But at the same time the dual threat from both sides is what helps both sides excel as well. I'm excited, screw the NBA and MLB just make the NFL year long lol.

That would be a fair point if it was true - Lynch closed out the season with 4 successive 100 yard games, and 8 in the final 10 games, compared to just 2 in the first game of the season.
He had an awful game against Miami - one of the strongest run Ds in the league - and a poor game by the standards he set against Chicago (87 yards on 19 carries is hardly something to scoff at though).

The possible difference-maker though will be the fact that Wilson's emergence actually reduced the number of carries he got, he only carried the ball 20+ times once in the last 6 games, though this could be a blessing as it would reduce the wear and tear on his body over the course of a season

 

[BASF]

My perception of him is very simple, got a big contract and stopped playing! He was never a real physical back but OMG was it bad after he got paid. I will never be able to stomach that BS!

So, you think it was the contract and not the fact that he played for two and a half games on a broken foot before finally being told by doctors to stop was the factor in how he played in 2006?

 

[grizrgood]

My perception of him is very simple, got a big contract and stopped playing! He was never a real physical back but OMG was it bad after he got paid. I will never be able to stomach that BS!

So, you think it was the contract and not the fact that he played for two and a half games on a broken foot before finally being told by doctors to stop was the factor in how he played in 2006?

Yes! :twisted:

 

[ImTheScientist]

I like Lynch alot better than Shaun Alexander. His style is what I like. I hated SA falling down when there wasn't anything to be had.
Both are great backs. It will be fun to see what Lynch can do over the next 2-4 years.

:13:

For me the same can be said for that "version" of the Seahawks versus this one. I love physical football versus the finesse that they were under Holmgren.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm sorry, I don't get the Alexander hate. Lynch does only seldom tear off big runs. He's usually a smash-the-pile-forward-for-nine-yards kind of guy. It's what he does, and that kind of running just doesn't rack up the huge yardage games. The most yards per game he racked up all last year, even while "carrying the weight" because of Wilson's learning curve was 128. His career high for a game is 158, his rookie year. He had two straight seasons where he didn't break 100 yards. He's a great back, but he gets consistent, low-yardage carries based on his style.

I have the feeling many posters here hopped aboard in 2007 the way they talk about Alexander. His running style may be criticized for being "soft," but remember that awesome streak of games where he maintained at least one 10+ yard rush every single game? As I recall, that number is in the high sixties or low seventies and is an NFL record. He consistently had plays that broke long, and that was fun to watch. It's also the reason he has so many yards rushing.

I think it's a pretty steep bet Lynch ends up #2 all-time Seahawks rusher. That's a lot of yards. Last year was his best year by far at 1,580. He can do it, and I hope like hell he will, but it'll be tough.

The x-factor you don't seem to be factoring in is the read-option. Go look at Lynch's game log's from Chicago onward He got alot more production averaging 11 yards a carry in 2 straight games. The read-option really opens up things for the running game. I think if we continue to use it. We'll see Lnych with with another 1200+ yards season in 2013.

The Xfactor for Alexander was the offensive line..... that line was far superior to what they hawks currently have.

 

[sprhawk]

So, you think it was the contract and not the fact that he played for two and a half games on a broken foot before finally being told by doctors to stop was the factor in how he played in 2006?

:sarcasm_on: :lol:

To the comment about Lynch behind the 2005 line, SA had the vision to see a hole forming, misdirect then cut and burst. Lynch would run into the back of the blockers or get caught as he lumbered by.

 

[sprhawk]

The Xfactor for Alexander was the offensive line..... that line was far superior to what they hawks currently have.

SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST
2000 SEA 16 64 313 4.9 50 2 20 2 2
2001 SEA 16 309 1,318 4.3 88 14 61 4 4
2002 SEA 16 295 1,175 4 58 16 61 2 1
2003 SEA 16 326 1,435 4.4 55 14 79 4 3
2004 SEA 16 353 1,696 4.8 44 16 77 5 3
2005 SEA 16 370 1,880 5.1 88 27 107 5 1
2006 SEA 10 252 896 3.6 33 7 53 5 3
2007 SEA 13 207 716 3.5 25 4 37 2 0
Career 123 2,187 9,453 4.3 88 100 495 29 17

So this line you speak of was in Seattle in 2001 thru 2005 Right?

His numbers sure look consistant for 6 Years for him being so dependent on the line.

Even with the last 2 injury years and SA is still smoking Lynch's numbers.

I luv a good old fashioned smash mouth game but a smart RB who tries to avoid contact isn't a bad thing. The fact that SA played 6 seasons without missing a game should attest to that.

 

[Digsbone]

I think Lynch will have at least 3 more respectable years, we are young and getting better. We are becoming more versatile on offense so Defenses just can't load the box with 8 and try and stop the run so this will help out a lot.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Love Shaun. Love Shawn. Always have, always will. They don't play together, why do I have to chose between the 2? Stupid.

 

[Kakaww]

Kinda surprised a football fan would Call Lynch an average running back. When I watch him run, I think back to guys like Campbell, Okoye, Bettis, Jackson and Jacobs. Guys who would punish the defense, and could get those three to five extra yards from raw will. Now, I'm not inducting him in to the HOF, but I do appreciate what we have. In fact, he's probably my second favorite all time Hawks back behind Warner.

The downside from being a bruiser is usually a shorter career. I'd guess that he has a couple good years left. Getting Turbin more touches might get him to three.

 

[TwilightError]

I wouldn't trade Lynch for anyone at this point but I agree that he may not be around after 3 years because of that running style.

I was thinking the same thing. Watching him bruise is the best and I would not trust any other back more. But three more +1000 years would be a lot and honestly I'd be amazed if he could do it. But who knows, maybe he is a physical freak... I'd be happy with two (and a ring). But I'm a bit worried about the new crown of the helmet rule.. Lynch will suffer from it.

btw. I'm not trying to name the greatest back in Seahawks history. Just pointed out that the Beastquake is my personal favourite Seahawk memory ever. How Hass blocked, how Shawn celebrated, how decisive it was... All that.

 

[hawker84]

So, you think it was the contract and not the fact that he played for two and a half games on a broken foot before finally being told by doctors to stop was the factor in how he played in 2006?

:sarcasm_on: :lol:

To the comment about Lynch behind the 2005 line, SA had the vision to see a hole forming, misdirect then cut and burst. Lynch would run into the back of the blockers or get caught as he lumbered by.

Do you even watch Seahawk games? Troll alert !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[themunn]

To the comment about Lynch behind the 2005 line, SA had the vision to see a hole forming, misdirect then cut and burst. Lynch would run into the back of the blockers or get caught as he lumbered by.

Do you even watch Seahawk games? Troll alert !!!!!!!!!!!

He's right though, one of the reasons Lynch breaks so many tackles is that he doesn't have the speed or shiftiness to get away from them in the first place. You watch highlights of Alexander again and what really pops out is how defenders just couldn't touch him at times, and that had nothing to do with blocking. If Lynch had Alexander's agility he'd probably score a TD every time he touched the ball

 

[Sarlacc83]

Love Shaun. Love Shawn. Always have, always will. They don't play together, why do I have to chose between the 2? Stupid.

I agree. It's stupid that people can't love both equally. It's not like it lessens your love of Beast Mode or makes you any more or less of a fan. Lynch rarely breaks out the big runs which SA did frequently. SA wasn't exactly a pile driver. They were still both HIGHLY effective. Geesh.

Just imagine Marshaun behind that line of 2005. Utter domination is what that would be. Not saying Alexander is bad but that line made it easy.

And what about the years before 2005? Do we forget that SA was incredibly consistent his entire career? It's a symbiotic relationship, not a one sided affair. Both the O-line and SA were better for having each other. There is a third way, and it seems as though that's conveniently ignored.

 

[sprhawk]

Do you even watch Seahawk games? Troll alert !!!!!!!!!!!

:thfight7:

:les: Since the very beginning

So I stand behind all Hawks (well maybe not Flores so much but at least we got Tez).

The landscape isn't the same for RB's with more teams splitting the backfield but player stats still tell the story.

IMO Lynch doesn't belong in the same conversation with SA and other HOF RB's.

After going thru the post SA RB drought I appreciate Lynch but if trends hold true he peaked last year. It wouldn't surprise me if Turbin ends up with more carries this season. Hopefully it is enough to get us to the Big Dance.