Holes in Drew Lock's game?

[Rosco]

Joe Burrow!

Now maybe Zac Taylor is a good coach, but he DID go 2-14 in his first season...

Joe Burrow is an outlier

 

[nwHawk]

I think this is fair. Burrow is an awesome player. But Zac Taylor is a great fit to put in a place a QB friendly offense. And it helps to have Ja’marr Chase.

Any others?

 

[toffee]

Joe Burrow is an outlier

Wishful thinking may be, but sure wouldn't mind a breakout year for Lock.

 

[keasley45]

Five years ago you could make the argument that a QB that did not thrive elsewhere, could do somewhere else. But it clearly does not work now.

Drew Brees is an exception, and even then Drew flashed damned well in SD.

But who was crappy one place and flourished elsewhere recently?

Is the best possible example Winston? And is that even good?

For a while people though maybe Sam Darnold could be good outside of the Jets, but it turns out that he sucks.

Locke isn't going to get better just like Geno wasn't going to. If you don't stand out in 2 years of QB play, you aren't a keeper.

Geno actually outperformed Russ in accuracy in every area of the field last year except for passes greater than 35 yards

Not like Lock hasn't received QB coaching?


You think Lock's upside reminiscent Favre?

Nope. I think Lock exhibits the same tendency to lean on his God given talent, rather than disciplined quarterbacking, the way Brett Favre did before and after Holmgren. Holmgren tamed a wild talent that often threw off his back foot, scrambled around wildly under pressure, didn't spend a ton of time reading defenses, and zipped balls into places they had no reason going. THAT is very comparable to Lock.

 

[sdog1981]

Five years ago you could make the argument that a QB that did not thrive elsewhere, could do somewhere else. But it clearly does not work now.

Drew Brees is an exception, and even then Drew flashed damned well in SD.

That is not what happened at all. The Chargers never let him play and thought he was awful. In his first full year of starting in 2003, he went 2-9. In the next draft, the Chargers drafted his replacement. Breese then went 12-4 and 9-7. Then he left as a free agent after the 2005 season. SD went 14-2 their first year with Rivers playing, it says more about AJ Smith than it does about Breese.

 

[toffee]

Geno actually outperformed Russ in accuracy in every area of the field last year except for passes greater than 35 yards

Nope. I think Lock exhibits the same tendency to lean on his God given talent, rather than disciplined quarterbacking, the way Brett Favre did before and after Holmgren. Holmgren tamed a wild talent that often threw off his back foot, scrambled around wildly under pressure, didn't spend a ton of time reading defenses, and zipped balls into places they had no reason going. THAT is very comparable to Lock.

If we could somehow mold Lock into a Favre light, or 90% of Favre, we are in business. I still think Lock could be a good PeteBall game manager.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Geno actually outperformed Russ in accuracy in every area of the field last year except for passes greater than 35 yards

Nope. I think Lock exhibits the same tendency to lean on his God given talent, rather than disciplined quarterbacking, the way Brett Favre did before and after Holmgren. Holmgren tamed a wild talent that often threw off his back foot, scrambled around wildly under pressure, didn't spend a ton of time reading defenses, and zipped balls into places they had no reason going. THAT is very comparable to Lock.

Favre only had one year with 4 attempts in Atlanta and we also have nobody near Holmgren's tier on our roster when it comes to offensive and QB coaching. Holmgren made a career out of developing QB's. Drew Lock has 3 years, lots of snaps under his belt, and he's looked worse in each year. The guy is fools gold, he's the tank commander.

He's going to do the same exact thing he did in denver.

 

[RiverDog]

Can anyone think of a quarterback that was a virtual bust for his first 3 seasons on his original team, then with a different club, suddenly 'found it'? It's an honest question as I can't think of anyone.

 

[Rosco]

Can anyone think of a quarterback that was a virtual bust for his first 3 seasons on his original team, then with a different club, suddenly 'found it'? It's an honest question as I can't think of anyone.

He wasn’t a bust his first year. Then Fangio fired the OC so he could have his guy in @OC. Then Covid hit and like that no TC,no preseason, no where to learn a new offensive system. Lock got drafted into a bad situation.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Sounds like an offensive system built around not just having a strong, dominant clock-controlling rushing attack but a creative clock-controlling passing attack that is schemed to play it safer with YAC opportunities through higher % passes and taking advantage downfield more so through mismatches, misdirection, play-action, and blown coverages should be good fit for a young QB like Lock.

Nothing wrong with being a point guard and letting your skill players do the dirty work and giving your defense more opportunities to rest and scheme for the next drive.

 

[Spin Doctor]

He wasn’t a bust his first year. Then Fangio fired the OC so he could have his guy in @OC. Then Covid hit and like that no TC,no preseason, no where to learn a new offensive system. Lock got drafted into a bad situation.

Blame the bad situation all you want, he's still a bad QB. He's exhibited the same habits that people dogged him for come draft day and he hasn't improved. Blame Fangio all you want, he's looked worse than guys like Bridgewater in the same offense. His biggest problem is in the mental aspect of the game.

He's terrible against any sort of pressure and jumps at the first sign of trouble, pocket presence is awful, accuracy is bad, and has some really awful mental lapses. He's one of the most skittish QB's i've ever seen. We can blame whomever we want, but at this point he is damaged goods. Hoping for a turn around is wishful thinking at this point in time. He's Tarvaris Jackson 2.0 is what he is.

 

[Rosco]

Favre only had one year with 4 attempts in Atlanta and we also have nobody near Holmgren's tier on our roster when it comes to offensive and QB coaching. Holmgren made a career out of developing QB's. Drew Lock has 3 years, lots of snaps under his belt, and he's looked worse in each year. The guy is fools gold, he's the tank commander.

He's going to do the same exact thing he did in denver.

Blame the bad situation all you want, he's still a bad QB. He's exhibited the same habits that people dogged him for come draft day and he hasn't improved. Blame Fangio all you want, he's looked worse than guys like Bridgewater in the same offense. His biggest problem is in the mental aspect of the game.

He's terrible against any sort of pressure and jumps at the first sign of trouble, pocket presence is awful, accuracy is bad, and has some really awful mental lapses. He's one of the most skittish QB's i've ever seen. We can blame whomever we want, but at this point he is damaged goods. Hoping for a turn around is wishful thinking at this point in time. He's Tarvaris Jackson 2.0 is what he is.

Actually he did improve. Quite a bit. Parroting the BS every other Lock hater says doesn’t make your opinion any more valid.
I’m not saying Lock is the next Farve or Tarvares Jackson, just saying with a full offseason and coaching staff committed to his development we’ll see who’s right.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Actually he did improve. Quite a bit. Parroting the BS every other Lock hater says doesn’t make your opinion any more valid.
I’m not saying Lock is the next Farve or Tarvares Jackson, just saying with a full offseason and coaching staff committed to his development we’ll see who’s right.

He didn't improve, look at his stats, look at the tape. You're being overly optimistic. He took a huge drop in 2020 and his next season wasn't much better.

In fact, you're quite free to quote me for a later time:

Lock is going going to show little or no improvement and be a generally terrible QB for us. All this optimism is unfounded, there isn't anything in Seattle that is going to "magically" make him better. We have no Mike Holmgren. The Favre talk especially is quite laughable. The mental gymnastics that people are playing here regarding Lock will not make him a better QB. You're about to see how bad he truly is.

 

[SeaWolv]

Harold Miner had a bald head and could dunk like Jordan earning the nickname "Baby Jordan."

There is more to the game than just physical tools.

Drew Lock has excellent physical tools like Harold Miner.

When Drew Lock is pressured, he breaks down mechanically and throws the ball to the other team. The #1 thing he needs to fix.

Perhaps a little LaLoosh syndrome? Million dollar arm and a 5 cent head.

 

[SeaWolv]

Lol what a miserable group of bastards lol. Guess there’s not enough “in what way does drew lock suck” threads to keep smacking a kid down and surprise surprise it’s most the same people commenting about how what ways he sucks.. Lol Jesus if y’all have zero faith in the kid great. But y’all don’t gotta keep shitting on him repeatedly. At this point these forums sound just absolute miserable and depressed with a splash of “no hope no faith” hahaha

I agree with the excessive dead horse syndrome people are beating around here but you can't blame us for feeling like things might be bleak when you lose the talent we just did in the last few weeks.

 

[RiverDog]

He wasn’t a bust his first year. Then Fangio fired the OC so he could have his guy in @OC. Then Covid hit and like that no TC,no preseason, no where to learn a new offensive system. Lock got drafted into a bad situation.

Lock only played in 5 games in his first season, so with that small of a sample, you can't exactly say that he was a rousing success, either. But in any event, I'll ask the same question without the word 'bust' in it and please, spare me the excuses for his play and just answer the question:

Can anyone think of a quarterback that was unsuccessful in his first 3 seasons on his original team, then with a different club, suddenly 'found it'? It's an honest question as I can't think of anyone

 

[keasley45]

Favre only had one year with 4 attempts in Atlanta and we also have nobody near Holmgren's tier on our roster when it comes to offensive and QB coaching. Holmgren made a career out of developing QB's. Drew Lock has 3 years, lots of snaps under his belt, and he's looked worse in each year. The guy is fools gold, he's the tank commander.

He's going to do the same exact thing he did in denver.

Well firstly, the label 'fools gold' is a label reserved more for a player who you think will be your next MVP and in reality, isn't even VIP. I don't think anyone is predicting Lock is going to be the next Montana. He's a raw and untapped talent. To say he's done and over is just as foolish as to say he's destined to set every franchise record at the position. He's proven nothing, and been given few tools to do so.

Success at QB, and really many high demand, high pressure leadership positions is as much a function of timing and circumstance as it is talent and skill. Take a guy with an average arm , average game, but the ability to learn and pair him with a great teacher and you can win a championship with him.

On the flip, take a guy with arm talent, athleticism, and the same ability to learn and put him under subpar coaching and in an uninspired scheme, and you get .500 at best.

And if you want to get into sports psychology, it's often those players who are most passionate (emotion-based driver rooted in sensitivity), and who's skill is most tied to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships (particularly between that of teacher and student) that achieve the highest success because of a deep well of emotional reserve (strength of will) but are also susceptible to the wheels coming off if the situation isn't right. Feed the well for folks like them and their ceiling gets higher and higher. Don't feed it in their early careers where insecurity and unsuredness can dominate, and the wheels can slowly come off. Lock, to me, smells like this kind of guy. Give him some support, guve him good coaching, let him grow, and his potential is elevated.

Truth is we have no idea what Lock can do. The real truth to who and what he is, is yet to be written. But of all the guys you could give a shot to, he's as good as any. If you take the word of his #1 receiver in Denver as any indication, Lock is a guy who defines untapped potential, is imminently coachable and was just in the wrong spot, with the wrong staff. He should know better than anyone on this board.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Lock only played in 5 games in his first season, so with that small of a sample, you can't exactly say that he was a rousing success, either. But in any event, I'll ask the same question without the word 'bust' in it and please, spare me the excuses for his play and just answer the question:

Can anyone think of a quarterback that was unsuccessful in his first 3 seasons on his original team, then with a different club, suddenly 'found it'? It's an honest question as I can't think of anyone

That’s very specific as most QBs usually last 4 years of their contract or get re-signed if they show any potential of promise. Not to mention things like coaching changes, scheme changes that shake up rosters.

But easily I can think of guys like Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, Drew Brees, and Eli Manning all of whom who were more or less inconsistent in their first 3 seasons only to find traction in their 4th season and become solid to great QBs.

 

[Rosco]

Lock only played in 5 games in his first season, so with that small of a sample, you can't exactly say that he was a rousing success, either. But in any event, I'll ask the same question without the word 'bust' in it and please, spare me the excuses for his play and just answer the question:

Can anyone think of a quarterback that was unsuccessful in his first 3 seasons on his original team, then with a different club, suddenly 'found it'? It's an honest question as I can't think of anyone

It’s a BS question. He didn’t play a full 3 season. I didn’t make a claim either way about Lock. Just a full assessment can’t be done cause Lock missed time. The standard for evaluating a QB in the NFL is a full 3 seasons of starting. Lock has like 23 starts.

 

[Appyhawk]

Drew Lock - Football - University of Missouri Athletics

Drew Lock (3) Quarterback - 2018 Team Bob Jeffries Kansas City Metro Player of the Year 2018 Team Captain 2018 Preseason All-SEC First Team (Media) 2018

mutigers.com

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TESTIMONIALS

• "We played a Heisman Trophy winner a few years ago (Marcus Mariota), and I don't think this guy (Drew Lock) is too far off." - Wyoming Coach Craig Bohl
• "Drew Lock is by far the best quarterback in the country. It's not even close. He'll be the first guy taken in next year's NFL Draft among quarterbacks." - Jordan Rodgers, SEC Network
• "Mizzou QB Drew Lock flies unfairly under the radar. Lock is a superstar, on and off the field. Perhaps anyone who doesn't appreciate him now will appreciate him when he is winning football games on Sundays." - Dari Nowkah - SEC Network

2018 SEASON
...threw for 28 touchdowns and just eight interceptions during his senior season… Did not throw an interception in six of his final seven games as a Tiger and had just two interceptions on his final 214 pass attempts on the season … "

Then he entered the NFL and just never really happened. So, what about the nfl and Lock didn't work? Can we blame it all on Denver?