Holes in Drew Lock's game?

[Rosco]

Drew Lock - Football - University of Missouri Athletics

Drew Lock (3) Quarterback - 2018 Team Bob Jeffries Kansas City Metro Player of the Year 2018 Team Captain 2018 Preseason All-SEC First Team (Media) 2018

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TESTIMONIALS

• "We played a Heisman Trophy winner a few years ago (Marcus Mariota), and I don't think this guy (Drew Lock) is too far off." - Wyoming Coach Craig Bohl
• "Drew Lock is by far the best quarterback in the country. It's not even close. He'll be the first guy taken in next year's NFL Draft among quarterbacks." - Jordan Rodgers, SEC Network
• "Mizzou QB Drew Lock flies unfairly under the radar. Lock is a superstar, on and off the field. Perhaps anyone who doesn't appreciate him now will appreciate him when he is winning football games on Sundays." - Dari Nowkah - SEC Network

2018 SEASON
...threw for 28 touchdowns and just eight interceptions during his senior season… Did not throw an interception in six of his final seven games as a Tiger and had just two interceptions on his final 214 pass attempts on the season … "

Then he entered the NFL and just never really happened. So, what about the nfl and Lock didn't work? Can we blame it all on Denver?

Yeah, you can actually.

 

[toffee]

Well firstly, the label 'fools gold' is a label reserved more for a player who you think will be your next MVP and in reality, isn't even VIP. I don't think anyone is predicting Lock is going to be the next Montana. He's a raw and untapped talent. To say he's done and over is just as foolish as to say he's destined to set every franchise record at the position. He's proven nothing, and been given few tools to do so.

Success at QB, and really many high demand, high pressure leadership positions is as much a function of timing and circumstance as it is talent and skill. Take a guy with an average arm , average game, but the ability to learn and pair him with a great teacher and you can win a championship with him.

On the flip, take a guy with arm talent, athleticism, and the same ability to learn and put him under subpar coaching and in an uninspired scheme, and you get .500 at best.

And if you want to get into sports psychology, it's often those players who are most passionate (emotion-based driver rooted in sensitivity), and who's skill is most tied to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships (particularly between that of teacher and student) that achieve the highest success because of a deep well of emotional reserve (strength of will) but are also susceptible to the wheels coming off if the situation isn't right. Feed the well for folks like them and their ceiling gets higher and higher. Don't feed it in their early careers where insecurity and unsuredness can dominate, and the wheels can slowly come off. Lock, to me, smells like this kind of guy. Give him some support, guve him good coaching, let him grow, and his potential is elevated.

Truth is we have no idea what Lock can do. The real truth to who and what he is, is yet to be written. But of all the guys you could give a shot to, he's as good as any. If you take the word of his #1 receiver in Denver as any indication, Lock is a guy who defines untapped potential, is imminently coachable and was just in the wrong spot, with the wrong staff. He should know better than anyone on this board.

So long Lock is ALL-IN and COACHABLE, that's all we can ask for. With his quick release, strong arm, athleticism, and proficient in play-action, he just might be a good game manager.

 

[RiverDog]

That’s very specific as most QBs usually last 4 years of their contract or get re-signed if they show any potential of promise. Not to mention things like coaching changes, scheme changes that shake up rosters.

But easily I can think of guys like Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, Drew Brees, and Eli Manning all of whom who were more or less inconsistent in their first 3 seasons only to find traction in their 4th season and become solid to great QBs.

Eli played his entire career with the Giants. Cousins did very well with the Redskins, throwing for over 4,000 yards in his 3 seasons before departing for the Vikings. Tannehill, maybe. He didn't play that poorly for the Fins, but he played much better for the Titans. Drew Brees, probably, but as it was pointed out, he wasn't that shabby for the Chargers.

My point is that it's pretty unusual for a QB to fail for one team then succeed for another. That doesn't mean that I am down on Lock, just that I'm not holding my breath that he's our QBOTF.

 

[nwHawk]

Why was Kurt Warner so bad for the NY Giants? Was he bad? Or, was it a bad situation for him? Bad environment will affect any player.

 

[Fade]

His draft profile has carried over to his NFL play too.

"Inconsistent mechanics lead to poorly thrown balls."

"Doesn't square his shoulders to the target, doesn't get his hips or feet around and relies solely on his arm strength to power the throw, which leads to scattershot accuracy."

"Needs to improve decision-making"

"Trusts his arm too much"

"Will throw into coverage that he shouldn't"

If you've watched Drew Lock play in the NFL this is what you'll see. Pete can limit how many times he throws, but Pete is not a QB whisperer, he's going to continue to do these things.

 

[Rosco]

If you've watched Drew Lock play in the NFL this is what you'll see. Pete can limit how many times he throws, but Pete is not a QB whisperer, he's going to continue to do these things.

I watched Lock his entire NFL career and in the right system and developing he plays great. 4-1 w/ 7 tds only 3 ints in a WCO.

 

[RiverDog]

I watched Lock his entire NFL career and in the right system and developing he plays great. 4-1 w/ 7 tds only 3 ints in a WCO.

7 TD's and 'only' 3 INT's? That's a 2.3 ratio and won't cut it on any Pete Carroll coached team. Turnovers has been Lock's Achilles heel.

Besides, that season is way too small of a sample size to derive any kind of useful information from. Lock played in just 5 games that season.

 

[Chukarhawk]

lock is terrible and will never be a starting QB in this league. Give it up, he sucks.

 

[RiverDog]

lock is terrible and will never be a starting QB in this league. Give it up, he sucks.

I don't mind giving Lock a chance to compete. Let him play in some preseason games, and if he looks decent, let him start a couple of regular season games. There is good reason to believe that he might develop into a very good quarterback.

But I don't want to experiment for half the season finding out if he has it or not. There's only X number of reps for a QB, so if he doesn't do well after a period of time, dump him and bring in the next man up and see what he has.

 

[sdog1981]

I watched Lock his entire NFL career and in the right system and developing he plays great. 4-1 w/ 7 tds only 3 ints in a WCO.

Are you talking about his rookie season when Denver did not start him and his OC was fired and never hired as an OC again?

 

[Rosco]

Are you talking about his rookie season when Denver did not start him and his OC was fired and never hired as an OC again?

His rookie year where he was injured in preseason and put on IR for the 1st half of the season?

 

[Rosco]

7 TD's and 'only' 3 INT's? That's a 2.3 ratio and won't cut it on any Pete Carroll coached team. Turnovers has been Lock's Achilles heel.

Besides, that season is way too small of a sample size to derive any kind of useful information from. Lock played in just 5 games that season.

7 TD's and 'only' 3 INT's? That's a 2.3 ratio and won't cut it on any Pete Carroll coached team. Turnovers has been Lock's Achilles heel.

Besides, that season is way too small of a sample size to derive any kind of useful information from. Lock played in just 5 games that season.

You might want to tell PC about that. PC seems to think it was a big enough sample size.

 

[Spin Doctor]

You might want to tell PC about that. PC seems to think it was a big enough sample size.

Have you thought about the fact that Drew Lock, just maybe was a random throw on? What about the fact that the only QB under contract on this team was former UW choke job Jacob Eason, a practice squad player? What about Seahawks personal visiting all of the top QB prospects at pro-days?

They're not looking at Drew Lock as the future, simply a person competing for the QB spot. John Schneider and Carroll are most likely just see him as a low cost bridge QB option.

 

[RiverDog]

You might want to tell PC about that. PC seems to think it was a big enough sample size.

You mean the same Pete Carroll that said less than a week before we traded Russell that we weren't trading him? That Pete Carroll? How do you know what the man thinks?

Lock was at the end of his days in Denver even before we traded for Russell, so the possibility that he was simply a toss in is probable if not likely.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Honestly here’s my biggest thing in all of this, I have more belief that a 25 year old like Drew Lock, despite anything he’s shown with the Broncos, has more adaptability, more desperation, thusly more potential to be more coachable, more pliable to be sculpted to be a better fit for Waldron’s offense than a 33 year old vet like Wilson, who has little to no room of potential of adapting how he plays QB and shown an unwillingness to do anything different. Russ’s strength his heroball QB and he’s extremely flawed as read and react QB, which his why is new HC is forced to build his offense around Wilson’s strengths rather than Russ fit perfectly into his offensive vision like Aaron Rodgers would.

I’m not saying Lock is better than Russ, he’s definitely not. I’m not saying Lock is the QBOTF, I’m not even wishing for it. I’m just saying I’m going to wait to see what he’s actually capable of being within this offense before I label him a failure.

And if Lock proves to not be anything worthwhile, who cares, he makes less than $1.5m and cost nothing to cut him and move on.

However, the silver-lining that I do see value in, more or less, my holy grail:

Russ had what a $37m cap hit for 2022 if he played for the Seahawks. 30 TDs would have cost $1.23m per TD.

If Lock were to get 30 TDs (and I understand that’s a long shot even playing to the best of his abilities), his 30 would only cost 50k per TD.

And that is the biggest reason I am hopeful of Lock, his production is cheap and if he shows that he’s capable of being a productive starter in Waldron’s offense I’m pretty certain he could be signed on a 1 yr, $8-10m prove it type contract.

 

[chris98251]

Not like Lock hasn't received QB coaching?


You think Lock's upside reminiscent Favre?

Many QB's had QB coaching in Denver, why they took one that was not coached in Denver in Manning and again with Wilson, anyone can say they are a mechanic and work on cars, but do all mechanics do a good job?

 

[Rosco]

Honestly here’s my biggest thing in all of this, I have more belief that a 25 year old like Drew Lock, despite anything he’s shown with the Broncos, has more adaptability, more desperation, thusly more potential to be more coachable, more pliable to be sculpted to be a better fit for Waldron’s offense than a 33 year old vet like Wilson, who has little to no room of potential of adapting how he plays QB and shown an unwillingness to do anything different. Russ’s strength his heroball QB and he’s extremely flawed as read and react QB, which his why is new HC is forced to build his offense around Wilson’s strengths rather than Russ fit perfectly into his offensive vision like Aaron Rodgers would.

I’m not saying Lock is better than Russ, he’s definitely not. I’m not saying Lock is the QBOTF, I’m not even wishing for it. I’m just saying I’m going to wait to see what he’s actually capable of being within this offense before I label him a failure.

And if Lock proves to not be anything worthwhile, who cares, he makes less than $1.5m and cost nothing to cut him and move on.

However, the silver-lining that I do see value in, more or less, my holy grail:

Russ had what a $37m cap hit for 2022 if he played for the Seahawks. 30 TDs would have cost $1.23m per TD.

If Lock were to get 30 TDs (and I understand that’s a long shot even playing to the best of his abilities), his 30 would only cost 50k per TD.

And that is the biggest reason I am hopeful of Lock, his production is cheap and if he shows that he’s capable of being a productive starter in Waldron’s offense I’m pretty certain he could be signed on a 1 yr, $8-10m prove it type contract.

This year @1.5M is his prove it type contract.

 

[toffee]

This year @1.5M is his prove it type contract.

Perfect QB for our rebuild 2022.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Yes and no. Even if Lock puts up something like 3500 yards, 24 TDS, and 11 Ints. I highly doubt teams are going to be lining up with multiple years and big money. This to me is more of a survivor’s contract and if he does well teams and the Seahawks are likely going to be wary in investing unless he proves he can sustain his success.

 

[Rosco]

Yes and no. Even if Lock puts up something like 3500 yards, 24 TDS, and 11 Ints. I highly doubt teams are going to be lining up with multiple years and big money. This to me is more of a survivor’s contract and if he does well teams and the Seahawks are likely going to be wary in investing unless he proves he can sustain his success.

Mediocre season will get him mediocre contract. Bad season leads out of the league. Great season….