Blitzer88
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No real surprise here, but Per King 5 news: #Seahawks decline the 5th year option (for 2015) on OL James Carpenter. He was the Hawks #1 pick (25th overall) in 2011.
This. ^^bigtrain21":2sl86q0r said:Totally makes sense not to pick up the option and I don't think it says anything about how we view him long term, just that we don't want to pay him the price of that option.
Bigpumpkin":38bpm4hw said:John Schneider wasn't born yesterday!
RiverDog":138gn89e said:One of my biggest raps on Pete and John of their otherwise superior analysis of player skills is how anyone could have thought that James Carpenter had the tools to become a decent OT at the NFL level. I took a lot of heat from people that are under the impression that everything PC and JS touch turns to gold when we made that pick back in 2011. Heck, even Carpenter's college coach said he was surprised he went that high, a coach that probably knows better than any other college coach what it takes to play in the NFL.
That's all water under the bridge, though. Even when healthy, Carp had trouble holding onto a starting position, being alternated with a journeyman like Paul McQ who we decided wasn't worth retaining, so you know the coaching staff isn't very high on him, and the decision not to pick up his option is just another indication of their disappointment. Depending on who we pick up in the draft, Carpenter might not even make the team this season.
Saban noted Carpenter's versatility, saying "he really proved that in the Senior Bowl when they played him at guard and tackle. And what a lot of people don't realize is in the NFL, you've got eight offensive lineman; somebody's got to play something besides the position that they play or you don't have two-deep. When you got a guy that I think he can be a really good guard, he's very athletic, he's a tough guy, he's physical, he's got the athleticism that he played left tackle very well in our league against some very good players for two years. So I think you've got a player that could possibly be a backup left tackle ... but (could) be a very good starting guard.
themunn":twuuxp2i said:I'm happy to give Carpenter the benefit of the doubt as this is the first healthy offseason he'll have had since being drafted - one of the things everybody said about him coming out was that his "athleticism" was great - evidently something we haven't seen much of, but hopefully with a full season under his belt and a full offseason, we might begin to see that athleticism re-emerge.
Yep... Carp and ole Clip Board.hawksfansinceday1":2ix986wb said:One of Pete and John's bigger swing and misses...........so far. It happens.
It happens. Still Carpenter does have this year to prove it so it's not over yet.onanygivensunday":2of73dqh said:Yep... Carp and ole Clip Board.hawksfansinceday1":2of73dqh said:One of Pete and John's bigger swing and misses...........so far. It happens.
themunn":2ov7ro0l said:That'll be his college coach that sucked as an NFL coach and clearly DOESN'T know what it takes to play in the NFL. A guy whose 2 first round picks as an NFL coach were Ronnie Brown (2nd overall) and Jason Allen - so he's hardly an authority on what makes a good first round pick.
Another guy who coached in college the year before clearly didn't think that Sherman or Baldwin had what it took to play in the NFL either, even though he coached them. How did that turn out?
Regardless, even Saban thought Carpenter was a good player with a lot of potential:
Saban noted Carpenter's versatility, saying "he really proved that in the Senior Bowl when they played him at guard and tackle. And what a lot of people don't realize is in the NFL, you've got eight offensive lineman; somebody's got to play something besides the position that they play or you don't have two-deep. When you got a guy that I think he can be a really good guard, he's very athletic, he's a tough guy, he's physical, he's got the athleticism that he played left tackle very well in our league against some very good players for two years. So I think you've got a player that could possibly be a backup left tackle ... but (could) be a very good starting guard.
That's pretty much exactly what we've got from Carpenter in the end - a guy who isn't a great tackle but has the potential to be a great guard.
I'm happy to give Carpenter the benefit of the doubt as this is the first healthy offseason he'll have had since being drafted - one of the things everybody said about him coming out was that his "athleticism" was great - evidently something we haven't seen much of, but hopefully with a full season under his belt and a full offseason, we might begin to see that athleticism re-emerge.