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[MORGULON]

This might belong somewhere else yet I feel it's very Seahawks related. I've thought a couple of times over the last couple of weeks about the success MM has been having transforming the Seahawks defense .

I wonder what one Peter Clay Carroll thinks about this.

Is he happy? Embarrassed? A little jealous? How do you think he's handling this? Who or what could he blame for his defense deteriorating from a brutal force to a liability? Could we blame him if he has schadenfreude in his heart? I know , lots of questions.


Discuss if it hasn't already been...

 

[LeveeBreak]

Hard to know. Pete's personality traits cover the spectrum.
As Mr. Positive, I think he would be happy for so many people he was close to enjoying early success.
As a competitor, he probably feels like he lost.
As humans, I think it's natural to want to see something fail once you have been removed as a leader. But the hawks really tried to do it in a respectful way. The didn't fire him...they changed his position. Yes, we all know what that meant. Having been in that position, it does ease the pain a bit knowing the org did what they could to make it a respectful separation.

I assume it's complicated for him.

 

[Ostatehawk]

I think he probably feels better than ....say...Bryce Young after the Red Rifle went full HOF QB with the Panthers.

Agree Pete is probably happy for the guys - but certainly a little down cast at the immediate improvement.

 

[Mad Dog]

I would hope his ego would allow him to realize this was best for everybody. Like Biden stepping down.

Age is a real thing and I know boomers don't want to hear it, but cognitive flexibility worsens with time. We needed a fresh mind in the house.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Its the 2024 season. We have a new coach, a new system and a new outlook. Does it really matter how or what Pete thinks or feels? I'm forever grateful for what Pete Carroll brought to the Seahawks. I'm sure he's doing just fine with the millions of dollars he earned as Seahawks head coach.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Does it really matter how or what Pete thinks or feels?

Does any of the stuff on the forum really matter? I think that depends on who you ask. I find the question interesting.

 

[Chukarhawk]

no

 

[bigskydoc]

I suspect he feels like, "We were on the right path. If only I had another year, and maybe different coordinators."

We all know that Pete's time was past, but it's human nature to think we are all still at the top of our game, and it's only a couple of mistakes that have set us back temporarily.

 

[MORGULON]

Its the 2024 season. We have a new coach, a new system and a new outlook. Does it really matter how or what Pete thinks or feels? I'm forever grateful for what Pete Carroll brought to the Seahawks. I'm sure he's doing just fine with the millions of dollars he earned as Seahawks head coach.

In the end it really doesn't matter.

That's not my point. I just wanted to create a post to discuss it. If you don't have the time I understand. Pete Carroll is arguably one of the greatest individuals in the history of my favorite team. Like many type A personalities, he wasn't just going to hang it up . He thought he still had "it". That's the interesting part ( to me)

 

[Atradees]

Pete checked out of the program. He has stayed away from Renton though he was offered a consolation prize. Im sure its an ego check. He went down with dignity. Holmgren went down messy. Out of all of this I will say the Seahawks ownership has been one of the most classy organizations in the league. Paying for premier talent in the off the cap coaching salaries. A true desire to win. We may miss them as they are too soon to be departed.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I doubt Pete is allowing himself to think about it much. He's got his own stuff that he's passionate about.

More than anything, I'm sure he's happy for John. There's obviously a hell of a lot of love between those guys, and his silver lining was that John was getting his shot to fully run the show.

As long as Mike is being authentic to himself and bringing that culture to the team, I think Pete would approve. That said, I think he's probably finding ways to compete in his upcoming ventures and focused more on that. He lives for the fight.

 

[jammerhawk]

I can't imagine Pete would be anything but happy and supportive to the team, for sure he's not one of those guys who wishes bad luck to others if he's not the guy in charge.

 

[MORGULON]

I'd like to think that, Jammerhawk. I can't remember a single time (publicly) where Pete Carroll wasn't a total gentleman. He never spoke poorly of an opponent. He
Showed a lot of class. He has to have 50+ MM in the bank . Id be having fun in my twilight years.

 

[hgwellz12]

Carroll did plan initially to serve in an undetermined advisory role, as his mentor, Bud Grant, had done with the Vikings after his final season as Minnesota's head coach. But in an August appearance on 93.3 KJR-FM in Seattle -- while one of his ex-players, Doug Baldwin, was co-hosting -- Carroll said he's been keeping his distance from the organization. He declined to comment to ESPN for this story and hasn't done any other media interviews aside from the lone radio appearance, preferring to lay low out of respect for Macdonald and the start of his regime.

"I haven't talked to those guys at all," Carroll told the station. "I ran into Mike in the parking lot one day, and it was a great chance to just, the two of us alone, to meet. ... I'm not paying that much attention to it because it just feels like it's the right thing to do to let them go."

From the Coach Macdonald article on ESPN

I think that says it all. And, yes, I have been wondering what Pete thinks about all of this. I don't really understand how one couldn't, even if just a passing thought. Great thread, MORGULON!

 

[MORGULON]

Thank you hgwellz12.

 

[bileever]

@MORGULON, it's an interesting question. I suspect Pete Carroll is dealing with it in his unique fashion. From what I've heard about him, it sounds like he's kept himself busy and hasn't focused on the Seahawks. But it would be human nature to be curious about how the team is doing.

If it were me, I would think at times that the younger man is doing better than me, and at other times, I would think that I just needed one more year for things to come together, like it has. Some acceptance and some denial, all kind of mixed in.

I also think that, like a lot of us who are getting up there in years, he probably is feeling a sense of mortality. Sports is cruel in that it rarely allows us to go out on our own terms. And because of that, it's hard not to feel some anguish over being forced out. Any of us would feel that way. A little bit like King Lear, betrayed by our own children.

 

[MORGULON]

@MORGULON, it's an interesting question. I suspect Pete Carroll is dealing with it in his unique fashion. From what I've heard about him, it sounds like he's kept himself busy and hasn't focused on the Seahawks. But it would be human nature to be curious about how the team is doing.

If it were me, I would think at times that the younger man is doing better than me, and at other times, I would think that I just needed one more year for things to come together, like it has. Some acceptance and some denial, all kind of mixed in.

I also think that, like a lot of us who are getting up there in years, he probably is feeling a sense of mortality. Sports is cruel in that it rarely allows us to go out on our own terms. And because of that, it's hard not to feel some anguish over being forced out. Any of us would feel that way. A little bit like King Lear, betrayed by our own children.

Dang , that's a great post .

I compare these guys to a great champion boxer who thinks they have one more fight in them. It never works that way because where he might have years and years of experience , they lose just that little bit of pure speed and reflex and that's not enough to keep up with the hungry young lion coming up through the ranks. I've seen it over and over again. Tom Landry, Belichek, Carroll, the list goes on.

Father time usually decides for them.

 

[ZagHawk]

I'd imagine it's like a bad divorce or break up, where you got left. Naturally you start off secretly bitter and you say all the right things publicly, but internally you want the worst for the other person. If anything it is to validate yourself after your confidence took the worst hit possible. How could they get rid of you and replace you so quickly and easily? they're gonna be worse off for sure...oh it's fool's gold, just wait...it'll come crashing, they'll see, they'll all see. Eventually it's that saying of holding onto bitterness/anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies. You just move on and just focus on you, if they are doing bad...eh it doesn't do you any favors. If they are doing good...eh they probably don't deserve it, but it doesn't matter anymore, you don't really wish bad on anyone anymore and you're moving on with life.

Of course in this situation for Pete any bitterness would be towards Jody obviously and Pete has been fired before, so he's been through this. Its a tough pill to swallow and I bet he's moved on or mostly moved on by now. The opposite of love is not hatred, it's indifference. The last thing I read that Pete said is that he's just separated from everything and staying away. Sounds like indifference to me.

It may be a while before we get Pete as a flag raiser though. That's sad to think about.

 

[pmedic920]

Imagine yourself getting ousted by an up and comer that does better than you (whatever job you do)?
Now put yourself in that position but on the national stage.

Pete is a good dude IMO, and I believe he’s going through a ton of different and difficult emotions.

I suspect we’ll see/hear something from him on the topic at some point in the future.

 

[chris98251]

Petes the type of guy that believes his job is never done, therefore he has tasks left unfinished, he wanted to complete his job, trouble is the evolution of the league continues and it's hard to reset when your in the middle of things and can't see the big picture. Also, the age and resistant to change and liking your comfort zone happens more and more as you age.