Geno's Decision to Slide

[12th Dimension]

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Run full speed into those guys and you can get the 1st down. Or.............TRY

 

[RiverDog]

He should have known that he had to get beyond the 35, so run two more steps to the 35 then launch headfirst right between #3 and #24. No injury risk unless he lands poorly.

 

[knownone]

Being unable to admit that it was a mental mistake is just inconceivably petty. A player shouldn't be judging where the line exactly is anyways. He needs to be sure he made the 1st and take guessing out of the equation.

It was a bad play. They happen. Why are you so adamant on defending it?

It wasn't a bad play. 3rd and 12, the pocket collapses, and the QB escapes and gains 11 yards. Good play. Whether the slide was a mental mistake, a lack of awareness, or whatever is semantics. Call it what you want. I think it's petty. Why? From my perspective, Geno did everything right and simply mistimed his slide, and when you are within the margin for error, calling it a lack of awareness or a mental mistake doesn't adequately describe the situation. It misdescribes it. Sometimes, you do everything right and still miss the shot. So why throw out 95% of the play and judge it on the 5%?

 

[Streamhawk]

I'm a little late to this thread. Yes, Geno should not have slid when he did. It seemed odd, but sometimes Geno is gonna Geno. Russ would NEVER slide there. I am a Geno supporter, as a bridge QB at least, but that was pathetic gamesmanship there.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Be careful, you say the R word around here, a lot of people freak out

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It wasn't a bad play. 3rd and 12, the pocket collapses, and the QB escapes and gains 11 yards. Good play. Whether the slide was a mental mistake, a lack of awareness, or whatever is semantics. Call it what you want. I think it's petty. Why? From my perspective, Geno did everything right and simply mistimed his slide, and when you are within the margin for error, calling it a lack of awareness or a mental mistake doesn't adequately describe the situation. It misdescribes it. Sometimes, you do everything right and still miss the shot. So why throw out 95% of the play and judge it on the 5%?

We get it, he walks on water. It was a crap play, because he didn't FINISH. Getting out of something doesn't mean sh** if you don't FINISH the job. But your blatant refusal to just man up and admit he screwed up is odd. The 5 percent MATTERS. He didn't make the full effort to get the damn first down. Geezus man.

 

[knownone]

We get it, he walks on water. It was a crap play, because he didn't FINISH. Getting out of something doesn't mean sh** if you don't FINISH the job.

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Okay.

 

[Seahawks8880]

It wasn't a business decision to prevent injury especially coming from Geno. He's a gamer but where he is lacked at is IQ. How often have we seen Geno run out of bounds to lose yardage or not throwing the freakin ball away to avoid a sack and many other silly things due the lack of awareness? This slide short of a first down is a testament of what Geno has always been. He has the physical skills but will never be great because he doesn't have the mental capacity that it takes to be at that level.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I like Geno, I think he's damn good. But..........if he wants to get the big $, he needs to make big time plays. I don't think that's much to ask. MANY QB's around the league would have kept running there and/or at least dove to get the first down.

 

[pittpnthrs]

It wasn't a bad play. 3rd and 12, the pocket collapses, and the QB escapes and gains 11 yards. Good play. Whether the slide was a mental mistake, a lack of awareness, or whatever is semantics. Call it what you want. I think it's petty. Why? From my perspective, Geno did everything right and simply mistimed his slide, and when you are within the margin for error, calling it a lack of awareness or a mental mistake doesn't adequately describe the situation. It misdescribes it. Sometimes, you do everything right and still miss the shot. So why throw out 95% of the play and judge it on the 5%?

So your saying the play itself wasn't bad (a QB scramble) and Geno did everything right including his mistimed slide? You can't be serious, but I know you are. The 5% is the critical part of the play. The game was tight. There should have been no slide at all. Make sure you get the 1st down. He screwed up. Don't be ashamed to admit it.

 

[AgentDib]

It's hard to separate terrible outcomes from terrible processes. Ugly outcomes like we saw on Sunday inevitably leads to discussions where every mistake is blown out of proportion.

Geno made the correct decision to slide and he clearly thought he had the first down. Unfortunately, he misjudged the timing by a fraction of a second - which happens all the time in the NFL. Guys go out of bounds inches ahead of the first down marker, run their routes a few inches short, and yes QBs do slide early sometimes. This particular mistake ended up being very costly, but that doesn't make the mistake itself worth much of the hyperbole in this thread.

One fundamental point here is that the correct number of mistakes in life is not zero. Zero mistakes means you aren't pushing the envelope enough. QBs should slide to avoid big hits, even if that means they will occasionally slide too early. Offensive linemen should try to get an advantage by getting off the line quickly, even if that means they will false start occasionally. Defensive backs should be physical, even if they occasionally draw holding penalties. DK should fight for extra yardage, even if it means an occasional fumble.

There is a sweet spot between risk and reward we are striving for, and that doesn't occur at zero risk tolerance.

 

[knownone]

So your saying the play itself wasn't bad (a QB scramble) and Geno did everything right including his mistimed slide? You can't be serious, but I know you are. The 5% is the critical part of the play. The game was tight. There should have been no slide at all. Make sure you get the 1st down. He screwed up. Don't be ashamed to admit it.

No. You are incorrectly lumping the the mistimed slide into the list of things Geno did right, which (obviously) wasn't my argument. My argument was that the slide falls within the margin for error—meaning that it was relatively minor in the context of the entire play and that it was neither a mental mistake nor a lack of awareness, but instead a mistimed slide.

Now, focus on the argument. Not the person.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

I'm not sure if this subject was broached in another thread and I don't have enough time to sort through everything, so I wanted to ask a question and see if anyone else saw the same thing I did. I didn't have the sound on our game as I was watching, preferring to have the Red Zone volume on, so I didn't hear if any of the broadcasters saw what I saw. Additionally, the game was so painful to watch in real time that I don't want to re-live that nightmare.

The 4th quarter had just started, and we were down 20-13 and had the ball 3rd and 12 at our own 24. Geno makes a nice decision to run and gets to the line to gain, but instead of diving headfirst and assuring us of a first down, he goes into a hook slide, leaving us a yard short. On the subsequent 4th and one play, he takes a sack, turning the ball over on our own 27. The Giants take over on downs and end up kicking a FG, making it a two-score game in the 4th quarter.

Did anyone else pick up on that? Does anyone have an acceptable excuse why he wouldn't have lowered his head and gotten the first down?

It's these types of plays that really frustrates me when multi-million dollar athletes lose track of the game situation. And please, I don't want to hear any more talk about Geno being an MVP. Ugh.

I believe my wife's exact words were: "Why the **** doesn't he know where he is on the field!?!?!?"

And I agreed

 

[SoulfishHawk]

She's on point.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No. You are incorrectly lumping the the mistimed slide into the list of things Geno did right, which (obviously) wasn't my argument. My argument was that the slide falls within the margin for error—meaning that it was relatively minor in the context of the entire play and that it was neither a mental mistake nor a lack of awareness, but instead a mistimed slide.

Now, focus on the argument. Not the person.

 

[knownone]

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Quality stuff.

 

[Ozzy]

No. You are incorrectly lumping the the mistimed slide into the list of things Geno did right, which (obviously) wasn't my argument. My argument was that the slide falls within the margin for error—meaning that it was relatively minor in the context of the entire play and that it was neither a mental mistake nor a lack of awareness, but instead a mistimed slide.

Now, focus on the argument. Not the person.

Good advice, calling people childish, trolls, implying they’re dumb for holding a majority position all fall under the umbrella of focus on the argument and not the person.

 

[keasley45]

I would think the QB should know what yard line the marker is, otherwise how does he know where to throw the ball? It shouldn't be hard to make a mental note where the line is pre-snap.

The QB is no more aware of the yardmarker when he running full tilt in the middle of the field than the RB is. There isnt some special spatial awareness trait you are embued with when you play the position.

I seriously dont get the point of all the criticism (well, i do, but i dont)

Josh Allen literally just did the same sh+t the other night against the Ravens. He thought he had the yards and went down before the sticks. It happens.

WRs run their routes half yard short or dive for the sticks and come up short all the time, even with the game on the line. Or they choose to take a poor angle after the catch and come up short.



Same with RBs

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Quality stuff.

A troll calling someone else a troll. Def. quality.

Meanwhile, does Geno know about your man crush? It's borderline creepy at this point.