Geno's Decision to Slide

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure if this subject was broached in another thread and I don't have enough time to sort through everything, so I wanted to ask a question and see if anyone else saw the same thing I did. I didn't have the sound on our game as I was watching, preferring to have the Red Zone volume on, so I didn't hear if any of the broadcasters saw what I saw. Additionally, the game was so painful to watch in real time that I don't want to re-live that nightmare.

The 4th quarter had just started, and we were down 20-13 and had the ball 3rd and 12 at our own 24. Geno makes a nice decision to run and gets to the line to gain, but instead of diving headfirst and assuring us of a first down, he goes into a hook slide, leaving us a yard short. On the subsequent 4th and one play, he takes a sack, turning the ball over on our own 27. The Giants take over on downs and end up kicking a FG, making it a two-score game in the 4th quarter.

Did anyone else pick up on that? Does anyone have an acceptable excuse why he wouldn't have lowered his head and gotten the first down?

It's these types of plays that really frustrates me when multi-million dollar athletes lose track of the game situation. And please, I don't want to hear any more talk about Geno being an MVP. Ugh.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ridiculous. Dive forward, know where the hell you are on the field. Shoot, just plow into the guys. There is NO excuse for him sliding early.
And I'm not putting this game on him at all. He had little to no chance behind that pathetic pass blocking.
However, KNOW THE SITUATION. KNOW WHERE YOU ARE ON THE FIELD.

 

[James in PA]

Geno made what they call "a business decision."

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ridiculous. Dive forward, know where the hell you are on the field. Shoot, just plow into the guys. There is NO excuse for him sliding early.
And I'm not putting this game on him at all. He had little to no chance behing that pathetic pass blocking.
However, KNOW THE SITUATION. KNOW WHERE YOU ARE ON THE FIELD.

Screw business decisions, get the damn first time. Geno isn't some wuss who's afraid to take a hit. He failed miserably in that situation.
PERIOD

 

[Ozzy]

Not everyone agreed but in that moment he needed to get the first down and if he does we may have a different game. For a 12 year vet it was a bad mental mistake. Early in the game sure, play it safe. Game on the line? You have to take a chance every once in a while and get a first down. He's been very good these past few years but its still ok to admit when he makes a mistake. But to his credit, I can promise you when he watches the tape he will agree, he screwed that up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good point. First half, ok, later in the game? Damn

One thing I've been very impressed with is how Geno always has no problem calling himself out. He's way down on the Totem Pole of blame for yesterday. It's just incredibly frustrating to see a guy in the league that long not just go get that first down.

 

[HD48]

Look at all the hits (and hard ones) Jones took knowingly yesterday. Im not saying thats what you should be doing all the time and he's the idiot if it goes wrong once but in that situation, tough day, game on the line, how do you slide?
One of the many terrible decisions that were made yesterday

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Say what you want about Jones, and most think he sucks. He's one tough mofo.

 

[strohmin]

Say what you want about Jones, and most think he sucks. He's one tough mofo.

Any QB looks tough going against our soft trash ass non tackling defense.

 

[HD48]

Say what you want about Jones, and most think he sucks. He's one tough mofo.

Two things can be true. He does suck and he is a tough mofo.
We just basically called the perfect game for him defensively not forcing him to make ANY quick decisions, put the ball in tight windows etc. which made him look like Brady dinkin and dunkin in his best days

 

[fenderbender123]

It reminded me of when Cam Newton didn't trying to recover that fumble in the Super Bowl.

 

[RiverDog]

It reminded me of when Cam Newton didn't trying to recover that fumble in the Super Bowl.

I'm glad that so many knowledgeable football people saw the same thing I did, and I agree with most of the comments. It wasn't the only mistake made, but it was one of, if not the biggest mental error in this game, at least those mistakes that was visible to fans like us.

I don't agree with the analogy about Cam Newton not diving on a loose ball in the Super Bowl. Newton admitted that he was afraid he'd get hurt, that he was a chicken shit. I'm not questioning Geno's courage. I just think that he lost track of the game situation and fell into a force of habit that's been drilled into him for years, that a QB on the run give himself up rather than risking injury.

But it's hard for me to imagine that the quarterback, of all the players on the field, lost track of the game situation. He had to have known that we had to get that first down. It's inexcusable.

 

[RiverDog]

Not everyone agreed but in that moment he needed to get the first down and if he does we may have a different game. For a 12 year vet it was a bad mental mistake. Early in the game sure, play it safe. Game on the line? You have to take a chance every once in a while and get a first down. He's been very good these past few years but its still ok to admit when he makes a mistake. But to his credit, I can promise you when he watches the tape he will agree, he screwed that up.

I'm not even sure if that's the right decision if it were on the first drive of the first quarter. There's not that much greater of an injury risk in diving headfirst vs. a hook slide. You don't dive on first down if you're 5 yards from the line to gain because one extra yard, the difference between 2nd and 5 and 2nd and 6 is mostly irrelevant. But anytime you're that close to a first down, you gotta go for it.

 

[pmedic920]

It reminded me of when Cam Newton didn't trying to recover that fumble in the Super Bowl.

It was nothing that egregious, IMO not even close.

And I’ll add this, if Geno had not slid when he did, ended up getting hurt and out for season, people here would be blasting him for not getting down earlier (especially if we lost a bunch of games as a result).

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It reminded me of when Cam Newton didn't trying to recover that fumble in the Super Bowl.

"the way my leg was"

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Two things can be true. He does suck and he is a tough mofo.
We just basically called the perfect game for him defensively not forcing him to make ANY quick decisions, put the ball in tight windows etc. which made him look like Brady dinkin and dunkin in his best days

Well, he certainly didn't suck yesterday. Fricken shredded the Hawks all day. And made good decision after good decision.

 

[kidhawk]

The NFL is a game of inches and Geno was on the wrong side of that Sunday. I was definitely saying some not so nice things in my head when he went down short of a first down when he had it easily.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sliding means he CHOSE to go down to avoid a hit, instead of putting his full effort on getting that first down. While he's been damn good this year, that was ridiculous. He could just dive forward and easily get it. Or........imagine this....keep f'ing running and get the damn first down. He's not made of cardboard; he can put his head down and plow into someone.

 

[keasley45]

I'm not sure if this subject was broached in another thread and I don't have enough time to sort through everything, so I wanted to ask a question and see if anyone else saw the same thing I did. I didn't have the sound on our game as I was watching, preferring to have the Red Zone volume on, so I didn't hear if any of the broadcasters saw what I saw. Additionally, the game was so painful to watch in real time that I don't want to re-live that nightmare.

The 4th quarter had just started, and we were down 20-13 and had the ball 3rd and 12 at our own 24. Geno makes a nice decision to run and gets to the line to gain, but instead of diving headfirst and assuring us of a first down, he goes into a hook slide, leaving us a yard short. On the subsequent 4th and one play, he takes a sack, turning the ball over on our own 27. The Giants take over on downs and end up kicking a FG, making it a two-score game in the 4th quarter.

Did anyone else pick up on that? Does anyone have an acceptable excuse why he wouldn't have lowered his head and gotten the first down?

It's these types of plays that really frustrates me when multi-million dollar athletes lose track of the game situation. And please, I don't want to hear any more talk about Geno being an MVP. Ugh.

Im pretty sure he thought he had the yardage. Happens all the time.

Thing is, if he gies head firstband gets a concussion and is out 4 weeks, there woukd be threads about how foolish thr athlete was to take such a risk when there was still so much time left in the game.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Of course, he THOUGHT he had the yardage, but that's not full effort, imo.
Excusing him because he MIGHT get hurt? Come on guys. He wants the huge contract; he HAS TO make these plays.\

Jones fought for every yard, SEVERAL times yesterday. Why is it magically ok for Geno to NOT fight for every yard.