Geno won this game

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How long have you been watching football? You act like qb's don't score more than 1-2 td's in big games. If we play against a qb who goes off for 4-5 td's, do you seriously think Geno can keep pace? He's never scored more than three td's in a game, and that rarely.

Obviously, he's good, and can win games. But can he win a high scoring shootout in a playoff game when it comes to that? Because it will. Come on, stop pretending like this version of football is all that has ever existed.
Jared Goff and the Lions think you need to look at Geno's recent history against them on the road. Including last year.
Playoffs? You're talking about "playoffs"? Cue the Jim More Sr. rant. First we have to win regular season games to get to the "Playoffs?" Geno is doing a nice job of making that happen.

P.S. Kurt Warner had only ONE (very late) TD pass to get his Rams to the Super Bowl vs. Tampa Bay in the NFCCG. Timing is key...
 

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Oh I don't know, maybe the fact he has yet to ever do it? There will be do or die moments in the playoffs where he will have to put the team on his back and score a td in the red zone for us to win. Can he? Absolutely. Will he? That's the 64 million question. He has yet to prove that he can take that next step in the playoffs. Until he does, color me skeptical, and I hope he proves me wrong.

This is a good example of how there are different types of football fans who view the game through fundamentally different lenses.

Some will not engage in predictive thought and will place arbitrary limits on players when they haven't done a particular thing. Some judge a player by his skill and on-field capability, others by box score stats.

Let me give an example.

Is Kenneth Walker capable of rushing for 200 yards in a game? Obviously, the answer is yes. But he hasn't done it yet. The opportunity needs to present itself. Even the best of all time don't do it often.

The same is true of Geno Smith. The answer to "is Geno Smith capable of throwing 4 touchdown passes in a game?" is very obviously "yes." This is despite the fact that his high mark in a game is 3 so far.

There is no glass ceiling where functionally sound quarterbacks are suddenly unable to throw touchdowns. There is no real barrier to 4 TDs. It's just a fairly rare occurrence in the modern NFL. No QB averages more than 2 per game now. No QB has more than 5 passing touchdowns through 2 games this year.

These imagined barriers only appear real when box score stats are the primary method of evaluation. Otherwise, it should be clear to everyone that using arbitrary single game touchdown totals as a predictor for postseason success is beyond silly. It's like judging a running back by their longest rush in a season, or their rushing TDs, instead of their yardage, YPA, and ball security. It makes absolutely no sense.
 

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How long have you been watching football? You act like qb's don't score more than 1-2 td's in big games. If we play against a qb who goes off for 4-5 td's, do you seriously think Geno can keep pace? He's never scored more than three td's in a game, and that rarely.

Obviously, he's good, and can win games. But can he win a high scoring shootout in a playoff game when it comes to that? Because it will. Come on, stop pretending like this version of football is all that has ever existed.

Oh I don't know, maybe the fact he has yet to ever do it? There will be do or die moments in the playoffs where he will have to put the team on his back and score a td in the red zone for us to win. Can he? Absolutely. Will he? That's the 64 million question. He has yet to prove that he can take that next step in the playoffs. Until he does, color me skeptical, and I hope he proves me wrong.

But Geno scored 4 TDs in the Dallas game last year (and hey, we still didn't win!). Or do rushing TDs count for less?

Hell, the only TD he didn't score was a 1 yard rush by Charbonnet that happened because of TWO DPI penalties that took us from the SEA 40 to DAL 1 (the 2nd of which would have been an easy TD catch for JSN) - neither of those go on the stat sheet for Geno but both things that Geno put in the position to score and Charbonnet gets the glory,
 

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Can we at least wait until we see how he does in the playoffs? Is that asking so much?
Maybe wise. Maybe hopeful thinking but, Geno looks ‘different’ to me this year.

I can see his ‘aura’.

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This is a good example of how there are different types of football fans who view the game through fundamentally different lenses.

Some will not engage in predictive thought and will place arbitrary limits on players when they haven't done a particular thing. Some judge a player by his skill and on-field capability, others by box score stats.

Let me give an example.

Is Kenneth Walker capable of rushing for 200 yards in a game? Obviously, the answer is yes. But he hasn't done it yet. The opportunity needs to present itself. Even the best of all time don't do it often.

The same is true of Geno Smith. The answer to "is Geno Smith capable of throwing 4 touchdown passes in a game?" is very obviously "yes." This is despite the fact that his high mark in a game is 3 so far.

There is no glass ceiling where functionally sound quarterbacks are suddenly unable to throw touchdowns. There is no real barrier to 4 TDs. It's just a fairly rare occurrence in the modern NFL. No QB averages more than 2 per game now. No QB has more than 5 passing touchdowns through 2 games this year.

These imagined barriers only appear real when box score stats are the primary method of evaluation. Otherwise, it should be clear to everyone that using arbitrary single game touchdown totals as a predictor for postseason success is beyond silly. It's like judging a running back by their longest rush in a season, or their rushing TDs, instead of their yardage, YPA, and ball security. It makes absolutely no sense.
Great post…!
 

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It was all about two things for me: pocket poise and accuracy. With no run game and bad guard play (plus Williams being beat a few times, including one really bad sack allowed), Geno was facing a defense that knew the pass was coming and was often collapsing the pocket. His ability to find room to pass while keeping his eyes downfield was hugely impressive, as was his accuracy even when pressured. With this WR group and Grubb's impressive start to the season, if Geno keeps playing this way I would expect the Hawks to be top-10 in passing by the end of the year (assuming the run game comes back and can take pressure off the passing game...the quality in skill players is high enough for a top-5 finish but I think Macdonald would want better balance than that).
 

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He definitely looks better. But we're two games in. It's a long season. Let's see how the season develops before we crown him the next Tom Brady. A little pragmatism never hurt anyone.
 

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He's never scored more than three td's in a game, and that rarely.

Obviously, he's good, and can win games. But can he win a high scoring shootout in a playoff game when it comes to that? Because it will. Come on, stop pretending like this version of football is all that has ever existed.
Is that on Geno, or on Pete, who was seemingly allergic to scoring more than the barest minimum necessary to keep the game close?
 

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He definitely looks better. But we're two games in. It's a long season. Let's see how the season develops before we crown him the next Tom Brady. A little pragmatism never hurt anyone.
Saying Geno Smith played very well and is a good quarterback in this league isn't anywhere near saying he's on par with the greatest QB of all time.

The hyperbole the anti Geno Smith contingent puts forth is just plain ignorant.

A little less dramatic bs never hurt anyone either.
 

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And so is the "he floats in midair" crew. It's likely somewhere in the middle.
Geezus man. People give Geno props, and there's still complaining going on. He balled out, he's having a hell of a season so far.
 

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Damn, people literally giving Geno sh** about something before it actually happens. Tough crowd. (And yes, I used to be in that crowd)
IF he doesn't win in the playoffs this year, blast away. Until then, he's locked in. I've always thought he couldn't do it. Now? My mind has changed. He can def. win a playoff game, imo. Deep in the playoffs? Maybe. But I sure look forward to finding out.
Isnt that the fun in being a fan? We or any fan of any other team could easily go down that path if they wanted.
It seems like a miserable way to go personally but some people like it.

Where or when or who would it stop at?

Geno Smith can play He did well in spite of the offensive line and could've easily been 40-44 for 450 yards if you take away the drops and the 1 spike .

I like Charbonet too. Maybe he gets a little better with playing time . He was great receiving and I have a feeling he's going to get more opportunity as often as Walker gets banged up. New England has a very stingy run defense , I'm not sure KWIII would've ran for 100 either .

People will always find the one thing they fixate on and screw it into the ground . They have that right , I just don't agree with it. At least not game 2 of the season. It's not like we have Clint Hurtt and Shane Waldron.
 

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Saying Geno Smith played very well and is a good quarterback in this league isn't anywhere near saying he's on par with the greatest QB of all time.

The hyperbole the anti Geno Smith contingent puts forth is just plain ignorant.

A little less dramatic bs never hurt either.
Oh good grief. Get a grip.
 

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Oh I don't know, maybe the fact he has yet to ever do it? There will be do or die moments in the playoffs where he will have to put the team on his back and score a td in the red zone for us to win. Can he? Absolutely. Will he? That's the 64 million question. He has yet to prove that he can take that next step in the playoffs. Until he does, color me skeptical, and I hope he proves me wrong.

1. One of the worst lines
2. One of the worst defenses
3. One of the most ineffective rusging attacks
4. An entirely ineffective play caller

And he was just outsude of top 10 combined his first 2 years.

He set the single season record for 4th qtr comebacks.

And you question whether he can throw 4 TDs in a game and bring us back from a deficit?

Got it.
 

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Have him on ignore, but it is hard to believe he is still on the four touchdown thing. Fact is that in New Orleans in 2022 Geno threw four touchdown passes. It just happens that the second one was dropped by DK Metcalf in the end zone at the 1:50 mark in the second quarter. The ball was directly in his hands, and butterfingers let it go. Geno of course threw two more for a total of three thanks to DK's lack of (I guess) concentration. Maybe Geno throws a bad ball (this is for all the people who were around for this argument about Hasselbeck suffering a lot of drops), but I don't think so. In his eighth start for the Seahawks four touchdown passes, with one of them being dropped.
 
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