Geno won this game

[Maelstrom787]

@Maelstrom787 Thanks for that breakdown. Is SIS a free site or pay? I looked at the price that Sharp charges for his betting / fantasy site and just about choked.

I get most of the data from secondhand sources, like the graphs there that I got from Reddit.

However, I was mistaken. This isn't Warren Sharp's company. Always get them mixed up. SIS is also an expensive site, though. Think it's like $100 a month for access to all their NFL data.

I never pay for these sites. I try to scrape together what I can from searching Reddit and Tweets. It just doesn't make sense price wise for anyone who isn't either working for an analytics department on a team or making a career out of football breakdown content.

 

[themunn]

I've never said that he doesn't have the physical tools. I've said he's a good qb and he's athletic. I just am not convinced yet that he can win games in the playoffs. If he proves me wrong, then yayy for us. That's all. No more, no less.

I mean it's fair, given he has had only one opportunity in the playoffs against the Niners and he lost. That must mean he can't possibly do it right?

The question is really, what does it take to beat the Niners in the playoffs? Well since 2019 the Niners have made the playoffs 4 times, winning 7 games and losing 4, including 2 losses in the Superbowl, and an NFCCG loss to the eventual winner.

It would stand to reason then, that it should be fairly obvious to identify which of the 4 QB performances from this list below were the types of performances needed from QBs to get it done and win games in the playoffs (and especially easy to identify which 3 were by Superbowl winning calibre QBs), whilst Geno's performance - since you aren't convinced he can get it done either - must also be a breeze to identify.

Care to take a stab? For ease of comparison I have sorted them in descending order of QB rating - obviously there's more to it than that like taking sacks or fumbling so those are also observable here to make a fair comparison.

To make things even easier I'll help to kick it off by noting that Player 1 was Mahomes in this year's superbowl.

Player	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rating	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Rushing Att	Rushing Yds	Rush/A	TD	Fmb
1	34	46	73.91	333	2	1	99.3	3	8	7.24	7.13	9	66	7.33	0	2
2	25	35	71.43	253	2	1	98.9	3	25	7.23	7.09	4	28	7	0	1
3	31	39	79.49	326	2	2	97.2	3	30	8.36	7.08	1	0	0	0	3
4	31	45	68.89	337	2	1	96.2	2	11	7.49	7.38	5	8	1.6	0	0
5	20	29	68.97	225	0	0	91.9	5	29	7.76	7.76	1	0	0	0	0
6	25	41	60.98	273	1	0	88.8	2	13	6.66	7.15	0	0		0	0
7	21	29	72.41	172	1	1	84.3	6	46	5.93	5.07	0	0		0	1
8	26	42	61.9	286	2	2	78.1	4	18	6.81	5.62	9	29	3.22	1	2
9	21	34	61.76	194	2	2	72.4	0	0	5.71	4.24	5	3	0.6	0	1
10	15	25	60	121	0	0	72.2	1	0	4.84	4.84	11	39	3.55	1	1
11	23	43	53.49	254	1	1	69.3	5	40	5.91	5.33	4	27	6.75	1	1

 

[pittpnthrs]

You have to play well in the regular season to make it to the post season. So that means the regular season is not meaningless.

Just more senseless babbling.

Well you got me there Captain Obvious. If he plays great in the regular season and fails in the post season, do those regular season stats still count as much for you?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Back to the subject......the SEAHAWKS won the game.

 

[chris98251]

Geno Smith could take us to the Super Bowl, we could win and he would be labeled as carried. He will never get a break here, that's fine by me, those that don't appreciate him at some point will go thru an Era of Stan Gelbaugh, John Friese, Kelly Stouffer, and then understand how to appreciate a guy like Geno.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I mean it's fair, given he has had only one opportunity in the playoffs against the Niners and he lost. That must mean he can't possibly do it right?

The question is really, what does it take to beat the Niners in the playoffs? Well since 2019 the Niners have made the playoffs 4 times, winning 7 games and losing 4, including 2 losses in the Superbowl, and an NFCCG loss to the eventual winner.

It would stand to reason then, that it should be fairly obvious to identify which of the 4 QB performances from this list below were the types of performances needed from QBs to get it done and win games in the playoffs (and especially easy to identify which 3 were by Superbowl winning calibre QBs), whilst Geno's performance - since you aren't convinced he can get it done either - must also be a breeze to identify.

Care to take a stab? For ease of comparison I have sorted them in descending order of QB rating - obviously there's more to it than that like taking sacks or fumbling so those are also observable here to make a fair comparison.

To make things even easier I'll help to kick it off by noting that Player 1 was Mahomes in this year's superbowl.

Player	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rating	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Rushing Att	Rushing Yds	Rush/A	TD	Fmb
1	34	46	73.91	333	2	1	99.3	3	8	7.24	7.13	9	66	7.33	0	2
2	25	35	71.43	253	2	1	98.9	3	25	7.23	7.09	4	28	7	0	1
3	31	39	79.49	326	2	2	97.2	3	30	8.36	7.08	1	0	0	0	3
4	31	45	68.89	337	2	1	96.2	2	11	7.49	7.38	5	8	1.6	0	0
5	20	29	68.97	225	0	0	91.9	5	29	7.76	7.76	1	0	0	0	0
6	25	41	60.98	273	1	0	88.8	2	13	6.66	7.15	0	0		0	0
7	21	29	72.41	172	1	1	84.3	6	46	5.93	5.07	0	0		0	1
8	26	42	61.9	286	2	2	78.1	4	18	6.81	5.62	9	29	3.22	1	2
9	21	34	61.76	194	2	2	72.4	0	0	5.71	4.24	5	3	0.6	0	1
10	15	25	60	121	0	0	72.2	1	0	4.84	4.84	11	39	3.55	1	1
11	23	43	53.49	254	1	1	69.3	5	40	5.91	5.33	4	27	6.75	1	1

I'm impatient and not going to confirm each of these. So, I give up. Who is who? Which numbers are Genos? (OK I looked up Geno's; that's crazy!!!)

Your point stands, there is no clear standout there, but I'm going to guess that #11 did not win vs. the 49ers.

The main point of all this is that Geno will never beat a team. Geno will contribute to a team's wins when the entire team is playing well in the playoffs. He should not need to put a team on his back; and that's a fallacy, anyway. If his line isn't functioning and the running game fails, if receivers drop balls, if the defense constantly allows points, there is little Geno can do to make up the difference.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I mean it's fair, given he has had only one opportunity in the playoffs against the Niners and he lost. That must mean he can't possibly do it right?

The question is really, what does it take to beat the Niners in the playoffs? Well since 2019 the Niners have made the playoffs 4 times, winning 7 games and losing 4, including 2 losses in the Superbowl, and an NFCCG loss to the eventual winner.

It would stand to reason then, that it should be fairly obvious to identify which of the 4 QB performances from this list below were the types of performances needed from QBs to get it done and win games in the playoffs (and especially easy to identify which 3 were by Superbowl winning calibre QBs), whilst Geno's performance - since you aren't convinced he can get it done either - must also be a breeze to identify.

Care to take a stab? For ease of comparison I have sorted them in descending order of QB rating - obviously there's more to it than that like taking sacks or fumbling so those are also observable here to make a fair comparison.

To make things even easier I'll help to kick it off by noting that Player 1 was Mahomes in this year's superbowl.

Player	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rating	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Rushing Att	Rushing Yds	Rush/A	TD	Fmb
1	34	46	73.91	333	2	1	99.3	3	8	7.24	7.13	9	66	7.33	0	2
2	25	35	71.43	253	2	1	98.9	3	25	7.23	7.09	4	28	7	0	1
3	31	39	79.49	326	2	2	97.2	3	30	8.36	7.08	1	0	0	0	3
4	31	45	68.89	337	2	1	96.2	2	11	7.49	7.38	5	8	1.6	0	0
5	20	29	68.97	225	0	0	91.9	5	29	7.76	7.76	1	0	0	0	0
6	25	41	60.98	273	1	0	88.8	2	13	6.66	7.15	0	0		0	0
7	21	29	72.41	172	1	1	84.3	6	46	5.93	5.07	0	0		0	1
8	26	42	61.9	286	2	2	78.1	4	18	6.81	5.62	9	29	3.22	1	2
9	21	34	61.76	194	2	2	72.4	0	0	5.71	4.24	5	3	0.6	0	1
10	15	25	60	121	0	0	72.2	1	0	4.84	4.84	11	39	3.55	1	1
11	23	43	53.49	254	1	1	69.3	5	40	5.91	5.33	4	27	6.75	1	1

This is a perfect post.

An absolute conversation ender

Also, I won't spoil it - but I definitely recognize #10.

 

[Ozzy]

I've been slightly critical but I would argue fair of Geno. He's always been in that 12-17 range for me. My hope is paired with Grubb he can move up that list and so far it sure seems like it. It's not hate and I will be rooting for Geno as hard as anyone. These two so far seem almost perfect for each other. I think Geno is similar to guys like Goff, Ryan etc. guys who aren't probably in the elite category but if you have the right stuff around them they can sure play at an elite level. He played at an elite level for the first half of his first year and then has played pretty good football since then. I think/hope with a better OC in Grubb and some great pieces around him he's going to play like he did in that first half when he took over. He was fantastic on Sunday too.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Seahawks won this game. But they don't come close w/out Geno.

 

[themunn]

I'm impatient and not going to confirm each of these. So, I give up. Who is who? Which numbers are Genos? (OK I looked up Geno's; that's crazy!!!)

Your point stands, there is no clear standout there, but I'm going to guess that #11 did not win vs. the 49ers.

The main point of all this is that Geno will never beat a team. Geno will contribute to a team's wins when the entire team is playing well in the playoffs. He should not need to put a team on his back; and that's a fallacy, anyway. If his line isn't functioning and the running game fails, if receivers drop balls, if the defense constantly allows points, there is little Geno can do to make up the difference.

#10 Jalen Hurts in the 2022/23 NFCCG
#8 Patrick Mahomes in Superbowl LIV
#4 Matt Stafford in 2021/22 NFCCG
#1 Patrick Mahomes in Superbowl LVIII

And of course Geno Smith #2

Incidentally Stafford is a great comparison for Geno Smith - a guy who was absolutely a franchise QB playing in a bad situation (despite having arguably THE greatest weapon at WR in NFL history), went 13 years before winning his first playoff game, only to win 4 that season and win the Superbowl. Oh and then never win another playoff game.

Like you say - the QB can't win a game all on his own.

But all the evidence of Geno's play points to me saying that maybe just may have does have what it takes to win a playoff game, since it doesn't appear anyone else is doing anything all that more special than he is.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

They don't come close to making either SB w/out Russ. And they won't come close w/out Geno on top of his game.

Could it happen? Let's find out.

 

[CallMeADawg]

#10 Jalen Hurts in the 2022/23 NFCCG
#8 Patrick Mahomes in Superbowl LIV
#4 Matt Stafford in 2021/22 NFCCG
#1 Patrick Mahomes in Superbowl LVIII

And of course Geno Smith #2

Incidentally Stafford is a great comparison for Geno Smith - a guy who was absolutely a franchise QB playing in a bad situation (despite having arguably THE greatest weapon at WR in NFL history), went 13 years before winning his first playoff game, only to win 4 that season and win the Superbowl. Oh and then never win another playoff game.

Like you say - the QB can't win a game all on his own.

But all the evidence of Geno's play points to me saying that maybe just may have does have what it takes to win a playoff game, since it doesn't appear anyone else is doing anything all that more special than he is.

Agreed.

Let's also be very clear. Geno has played in one playoff game in his career, versus a much better 49ers squad. While true he's never won one, he's also only played in one.

It takes more than just a QB to get to the playoffs. Can Geno and company get Seattle there? I don't see why not if they continue to play well and get better and better as the season continues. Stacking up wins while the Rams and 49ers are a walking cemetery would be a huge step in that direction.

If he can play well when we get there, is anyone's guess. The sample size of one playoff game though, isn't enough to argue statistically at all either way. We'll have to watch his play over the course of the season, which so far he looks the part, but there's a lot of football left.

The regular season definitely matters, unlike what others here may tell you.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, if he plays better 2nd of half last season, they make the playoffs. So, there is that.
Excuses and hurt feelings in 3.....2......1.......

 

[CallMeADawg]

Well, if he plays better 2nd of half last season, they make the playoffs. So, there is that.
Excuses and hurt feelings in 3.....2......1.......

You like to do this thing where you try and call any response to your post an excuse, and you use this same countdown thing when you do it. On a board about discussions, that's a strange thing to do. That's what goes on in places like this.

At any rate, the defense was trash last year, offensive line was trash, which is why they spent a lot of picks and cash on both this off-season. Sure Geno could have played better, but the rest of the team would have had to as well. With the state of the team at the end of the season, had they actually made the playoffs, they would have lost. Can't win in the postseason with a defense that terrible. That's not how it works.

 

[Geologic]

I am loving Geno and Grubb's adjustments. After Shane Waldron, this is so good. No run game and we still got the W

 

[Geologic]

Geno Smith could take us to the Super Bowl, we could win and he would be labeled as carried. He will never get a break here, that's fine by me, those that don't appreciate him at some point will go thru an Era of Stan Gelbaugh, John Friese, Kelly Stouffer, and then understand how to appreciate a guy like Geno.

You're showing our age with these quarterback name drops! hahaha i feel you

 

[CallMeADawg]

I am loving Geno and Grubb's adjustments. After Shane Waldron, this is so good. No run game and we still got the W

Geno put the work in this off-season to get stronger and leaner. He ran over 21 mph on that TD run vs Denver. I don't think anyone in the football world would have ever expected that to happen.

This was on display versus NE as well. He was able to slide around and escape pressure much better than in the previous few seasons. The pass play to Lockett in OT that basically iced the game was all thanks to his improved athletic play, and some seriously good chemistry with Tyler to be able to roll back and hit that throw on the money. He had a few of these in that game that were very surprising but very awesome to see him do well.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You like to do this thing where you try and call any response to your post an excuse, and you use this same countdown thing when you do it. On a board about discussions, that's a strange thing to do. That's what goes on in places like this.

At any rate, the defense was trash last year, offensive line was trash, which is why they spent a lot of picks and cash on both this off-season. Sure Geno could have played better, but the rest of the team would have had to as well. With the state of the team at the end of the season, had they actually made the playoffs, they would have lost. Can't win in the postseason with a defense that terrible. That's not how it works.

Lighten up man, it's a joke. Sarcasm. I'm having some fun. We don't have to agree, it's not required.
So, yet again, the picks and near picks in the second half never happened? Excuses don't change the fact that he could have played a lot better.

This year he is so far.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Lighten up man, it's a joke. Sarcasm. I'm having some fun. We don't have to agree, it's not required.
So, yet again, the picks and near picks in the second half never happened? Excuses don't change the fact that he could have played a lot better.

This year he is so far.

Please point out where I said his interceptions from the second half of last season didn't happen.

I'll wait.

Spoiler: I never said that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yet again, you're missing my point. I'm done talking to about this sh**.

I'm happy Geno is rockin it. Sorry you can't understand that. Even if you spend more time making excuses and/or getting your panties in a bunch of anyone says one negative thing about the guy.