Our first real test comes this week vs Tampa

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3-1 feels good. We were also 3-1 at the same point last year when we gradually began to see exactly who and what our team was when it ran into a string of more challenging competition.

What is different? We have a defense that I think we can comfortably say is one of the best in the league. No smoke, no mirrors.

But on offense, although we are overall more balanced and efficient, we have also shown a jeckyll and hyde tendency on the ground that is concerning. We are one of the better teams in the league when it comes to generating medium to long gains. We are also one of the worst in the league when it comes to runs for zero gain and runs for negative yards. This reality has come against defenses that have ranked in the lower half of the league. Our wins have come against the 18th, 23rd and 28th ranked defenses in total yards. Tampa sports the 5th best rush defense and despite a loss, stonewalled the Eagles ground game (both Hurts and Barkley). They also have the 9th best pass defense. Overall, they are 4th in the league. Up to now, the best we have gone against was the 9ers at 14, a game we lost, and the cardinals rush defense at 9, who did a decent job at stopping us situationally.

Mac wants a hard nosed, run first offense and it seems we are well on the way to achieving that. We are more physical, more balanced and play great complimentary ball. However, unless our defense and special teams are elite, there will be ganes when our pass attack will be forced to carry us. It looks like this week will shape up to be one of those games.

Fingers crossed that our re-tooled offense (o line, Kubiak, and Sam) are up to the task Andy that when the competition gets tough, that we can maintain our ability to function through the air. The knock on Sam and what was shown late season last year when a Vikings offense that looked unstoppable at times laid consecutive eggs closing out the season is that if you force him into the quick passing game, he can struggle. That fact was dissected by analysts, by Minny fans and by many a YouTube reviewer who analyzed Sams game when the trade was announced. I think today will shed some light on whether the issue is Sam, or whether it was more poor play calling and a failing OLine that did Minny in in the wildcard round. This year I think I recall seeing that like last year in Minnesota, Sam is near tops in the league in longer passes. That's not to say we or he can't pass short, but it remains to be seen how functional that aspect of our attack can be.

Have a feeling this game will give us a better feeling of who and what we are on offense.if we play well, even in a loss, it bodes well for the rest of the season. If we lay and egg and our offense is stymied... It's still early, but I think the season and our prospects for a deep playoff run will look a lot less rosey.

The run game needs to get going, and function against a strong defense. Like the passing game, we have struggled to manufacture consistent short gains when we need them and have lived off of the longer outside zone runs. Inside zone? Not so much and especially not to the right side. The line needs to give Sam enough time, and Kubiak and Sam need to evolve the short passing attack.

Fingers crossed...
 

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"Real test"? Not sure if I agree with that characterization. This isn't a headliner, statement type of game where a victory makes people sit up and take notice. That would come from just a handful of teams like the Eagles, Lions, or Bills. But it is significant as the Bucs are a playoff team from last season, 3-1 and leading their division this year, and are in most people's top 10 in the power rankings.

We're in what's shaping up as a tough division. Of the combined 6 losses NFC West teams have suffered so far this season, just one has come from outside the division.
 

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This has the makings of a typical Heart Attack Hawks kind of game. No way am I touching this game live. I’ll check the score in the 4th quarter.

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If my weak out of shape heart can still take the stress so can yours.

Sit your ass down and enjoy the game.

I mean stress, enjoy the stress.
 

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And new orleans game is an early game. So I can actually watch the game. Woo hoo.
 

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I think today's game will have some predictive power for what to expect from the rest of the season. Tampa's playing pretty well and they have a lot of fight. Losing today doesn't mean we're not going to the playoffs, but win or lose, HOW WELL we play and fight today is a key thing I'm personally going to be eyeballing.
 

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3-1 feels good. We were also 3-1 at the same point last year when we gradually began to see exactly who and what our team was when it ran into a string of more challenging competition.

What is different? We have a defense that I think we can comfortably say is one of the best in the league. No smoke, no mirrors.

But on offense, although we are overall more balanced and efficient, we have also shown a jeckyll and hyde tendency on the ground that is concerning. We are one of the better teams in the league when it comes to generating medium to long gains. We are also one of the worst in the league when it comes to runs for zero gain and runs for negative yards. This reality has come against defenses that have ranked in the lower half of the league. Our wins have come against the 18th, 23rd and 28th ranked defenses in total yards. Tampa sports the 5th best rush defense and despite a loss, stonewalled the Eagles ground game (both Hurts and Barkley). They also have the 9th best pass defense. Overall, they are 4th in the league. Up to now, the best we have gone against was the 9ers at 14, a game we lost, and the cardinals rush defense at 9, who did a decent job at stopping us situationally.

Mac wants a hard nosed, run first offense and it seems we are well on the way to achieving that. We are more physical, more balanced and play great complimentary ball. However, unless our defense and special teams are elite, there will be ganes when our pass attack will be forced to carry us. It looks like this week will shape up to be one of those games.

Fingers crossed that our re-tooled offense (o line, Kubiak, and Sam) are up to the task Andy that when the competition gets tough, that we can maintain our ability to function through the air. The knock on Sam and what was shown late season last year when a Vikings offense that looked unstoppable at times laid consecutive eggs closing out the season is that if you force him into the quick passing game, he can struggle. That fact was dissected by analysts, by Minny fans and by many a YouTube reviewer who analyzed Sams game when the trade was announced. I think today will shed some light on whether the issue is Sam, or whether it was more poor play calling and a failing OLine that did Minny in in the wildcard round. This year I think I recall seeing that like last year in Minnesota, Sam is near tops in the league in longer passes. That's not to say we or he can't pass short, but it remains to be seen how functional that aspect of our attack can be.

Have a feeling this game will give us a better feeling of who and what we are on offense.if we play well, even in a loss, it bodes well for the rest of the season. If we lay and egg and our offense is stymied... It's still early, but I think the season and our prospects for a deep playoff run will look a lot less rosey.

The run game needs to get going, and function against a strong defense. Like the passing game, we have struggled to manufacture consistent short gains when we need them and have lived off of the longer outside zone runs. Inside zone? Not so much and especially not to the right side. The line needs to give Sam enough time, and Kubiak and Sam need to evolve the short passing attack.

Fingers crossed...
Our offense was always going to be the suspect element this season, most particularly because of our offensive line issues. I've said over and over that we did nothing the past two off seasons to bring in at least one quality vet OLman to pair up with our younger and new talent there. I've been screaming of late for them to acquire one in a trade. Our run game could use it, and you want SD to have as much protection as possible.

I haven't seen any cause for alarm in SD's short passing game this year. The only elements of the short passing game that stood out to me negatively so far were when we tried those quick out/bubble screens that haven't worked for us, and, to my mind, still haven't developed a decent check down/screen pass game. But I don't think either of these are SD's fault. I think he's gotten the ball out pretty darn effectively so far this year.

A good offensive game plan is going to be really important for us today. Tampa Bay has a good defense, and they're probably going to be hard to run against with our OL issues against quality defenses, as you said. We need a good quick strike passing game, to constructively use our RB's more in the passing attack, and just some overall creative call playing to keep them off balance.

A real bonus this year for us is that it's looking more and more to me like or receiving corp is going to be good enough. SD has weapons if properly utilized.

I still think we're going to win a close one today, and guess that a few key defensive plays is what might do it for us. MM knows how to create mayhem with his defenses.
 

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I think today's game will have some predictive power for what to expect from the rest of the season. Tampa's playing pretty well and they have a lot of fight. Losing today doesn't mean we're not going to the playoffs, but win or lose, HOW WELL we play and fight today is a key thing I'm personally going to be eyeballing.
Pretty much this for me as well.

I’d love to see a dominant performance from our squad but I’m going into it as a “pick’em” toss up. I won’t be surprised either way, unless we come out and completely shit the bed.
 

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This has the makings of a typical Heart Attack Hawks kind of game. No way am I touching this game live. I’ll check the score in the 4th quarter.

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WTF! You're joking, right? If not, what do you do during the game? Do you have an underground bunker in your backyard you retreat to?
 

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Our offense was always going to be the suspect element this season, most particularly because of our offensive line issues. I've said over and over that we did nothing the past two off seasons to bring in at least one quality vet OLman to pair up with our younger and new talent there. I've been screaming of late for them to acquire one in a trade. Our run game could use it, and you want SD to have as much protection as possible.

This. I’m shocked at the number of people who thought that merely adding Zabel, and changing scheme would get us into the top tier of lines.

IMHO, the best we can hope for is an improvement to league average. That would actually be a big, significant improvement, and a huge boost to this team overall.
 
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Agree. Big test today. Quality play will be a huge indicator of where this team is at. We have great stats against mediocre teams. Let’s see what we do against a likely playoff hosting team.
 

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If my weak out of shape heart can still take the stress so can yours.

Sit your ass down and enjoy the game.

I mean stress, enjoy the stress.

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I agree that this game is a test. I think our first game was our first test though. But we know what Tampa bay is, a hard nosed tough playoff team, so this is definitely a measuring stick. Tampa is not the top shelf but it’s within reach
 
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