Geno vs. Sam QB mobility.

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It's short sighted to consider the personnel over the ethos of the organization. Sitting a legitimate starter with buy-in to evaluate a young guy who flamed out in Washington isn't the type of move winning organizations make.

If they're 4-10 with a few games left, sure. Go for it. If they're 14-1 with nothing to play for with a few games left, sure. Go for it.

It can't be under consideration if we're anywhere between those two extremes.
I don't think anyone expects Geno to be here any longer than this year. Wouldn't it be shortsighted not to give the potential next QB a chance?
 

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I don't think anyone expects Geno to be here any longer than this year. Wouldn't it be shortsighted not to give the potential next QB a chance?
If the Seahawks are even remotely in contention, or even just fighting for a decent-ish record, we can't sit a starting QB to test Sam out. That's just... not really a respectable move in-season.

Also, we don't even really get much tangible benefit from it. If the team is doing badly, why would we throw an asset on a rookie contract out there to take meaningless snaps and risk injury? They'll have a decent idea of how he's developing by just having him in the building, and he's got a lot to rework.

If we even have to question whether Sam should be in late in the year, the answer is no. We'd be setting him up for failure and risking injury to him when we would much rather have him compete for the job next year than finish a lame duck year.

TL;DR: If we're hopelessly mid next year and Geno is playing poorly, let him take the lumps and then cut him. Finish out the year and protect Sam so he can compete for real in 2025.
 

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If the Seahawks are even remotely in contention, or even just fighting for a decent-ish record, we can't sit a starting QB to test Sam out. That's just... not really a respectable move in-season.

Also, we don't even really get much tangible benefit from it. If the team is doing badly, why would we throw an asset on a rookie contract out there to take meaningless snaps and risk injury? They'll have a decent idea of how he's developing by just having him in the building, and he's got a lot to rework.

If we even have to question whether Sam should be in late in the year, the answer is no. We'd be setting him up for failure and risking injury to him when we would much rather have him compete for the job next year than finish a lame duck year.

TL;DR: If we're hopelessly mid next year and Geno is playing poorly, let him take the lumps and then cut him. Finish out the year and protect Sam so he can compete for real in 2025.


If the Seahawks are in contention, then no don't give Sam starting reps. If the team is doing badley like you said, then it make sense to see what Sam can do, that Geno couldn't. We need to know, if JS already doesn't, what Sam's potential can be on our team. Having a backup QB in the building not getting real game reps during the season, is not not even an evaluation process for any player.

If JS knows Sam is not the Seahawks future QB, then yeah don't give him real game reps ever. But if JS thinks Sam could be the MAN, then Sam needs real games reps this year. Otherwise JS again will pass on a QB next year thinking, Sam is our future QB even though we didn't give live reps is 2024.
 

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If we have a 20+ point lead going into the 4th quarter, then sure, put Sam in. If Geno is hurt, put Sam in. Otherwise, let him sit and learn.
 

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Bienemy did Howell no favors by forcing him to throw more than any QB in the league. It was criminal what he did and is part of the reason Bienemy is back in college.
You can't blame it on the OC. The Commanders had the worst defense in the league, both in terms of yards and points allowed, and their rushing offense was the 6th worst in the league. That means that the offense/OC/Howell was playing from behind a lot and forced into predictable passing situations.

I'm not defending Bienemy so much as I am pointing out what a dumpster fire that entire team was and why it had to be blown up, which included the HC, OC, QB, et al.
 

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If the Seahawks are even remotely in contention, or even just fighting for a decent-ish record, we can't sit a starting QB to test Sam out. That's just... not really a respectable move in-season.

Also, we don't even really get much tangible benefit from it. If the team is doing badly, why would we throw an asset on a rookie contract out there to take meaningless snaps and risk injury? They'll have a decent idea of how he's developing by just having him in the building, and he's got a lot to rework.

If we even have to question whether Sam should be in late in the year, the answer is no. We'd be setting him up for failure and risking injury to him when we would much rather have him compete for the job next year than finish a lame duck year.

TL;DR: If we're hopelessly mid next year and Geno is playing poorly, let him take the lumps and then cut him. Finish out the year and protect Sam so he can compete for real in 2025.

Being remotely in contention with a decent-ish record means 3-6 at halfway point as it's realistic for a team to finish the 2nd half of the season with a 5-3 2nd half performance and make the playoffs with a decent-ish record of 8-9. If you use that as a standard, you might as well just say that it's Geno's team come hell or high water.

If the team is winning and is a couple games over .500 and challenging for not only a playoff spot but one of the top 2-3 teams in the conference, then yes, I agree that it would be unwise to make a QB change mid-season. But if they're just treading water at .500 or a game or two under with the defense playing lights out and the offense underperforming, then a QB change should be on the table.
 
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Howell needs some time to sit and learn which is a good thing. BTW don't be surprised if the team drafts a QB a lot higher than most think.

Forcing Howell out there does no good if he is not ready. Based off what we saw last year he isn't ready but he did flash a lot which is promising.

The new offense is basically a variation of 4 verticals that Grubb's will be running which derives from Air Coryell. So right off the bat the QBs in this offense will be asked to push the ball downfield. Geno and Howell can do that no problem but it is the play action portion that is important. This is where Geno has the edge while Howell is still learning and trying to understand what Howell sees things pre snap.
 

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Howell needs some time to sit and learn which is a good thing. BTW don't be surprised if the team drafts a QB a lot higher than most think.

Forcing Howell out there does no good if he is not ready. Based off what we saw last year he isn't ready but he did flash a lot which is promising.

The new offense is basically a variation of 4 verticals that Grubb's will be running which derives from Air Coryell. So right off the bat the QBs in this offense will be asked to push the ball downfield. Geno and Howell can do that no problem but it is the play action portion that is important. This is where Geno has the edge while Howell is still learning and trying to understand what Howell sees things pre snap.
This is Howell's 3rd year in the league, and he's started 18 NFL games. If he's not ready this season, how much longer can one expect before he is ready?
 

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Howell is ready, but Smith is more ready. Howell should be more ready later in the season.
Yeah, probably, at least based on experience and past performances.

But Smith is definitely not the QBOTF whereas Howell might be. If we're in a serious hunt for a championship, then by all means, stick with Geno even if he isn't lighting it up. You don't want to change what is working. But if we're just a meddling, .500 win one, lose one team or worse, then we should strongly consider a QB change.
 

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Rookie OC needs a season veteran to make his NFL debut. Geno will be closer to having the skill to connect with his players than Howell. I am all in for competition and may the best QB win. My view though based on seeing Geno and maybe one game of Howell is probably a Genos team. The coaches are saying the same thing. Howell took the spot of Drew Lock and he probably will remain that way unless an injury or a consideration desperate situation arises midway.
 

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Rookie OC needs a season veteran to make his NFL debut. Geno will be closer to having the skill to connect with his players than Howell. I am all in for competition and may the best QB win. My view though based on seeing Geno and maybe one game of Howell is probably a Genos team. The coaches are saying the same thing. Howell took the spot of Drew Lock and he probably will remain that way unless an injury or a consideration desperate situation arises midway.
That's a fair take.

But I think there's more scenarios besides that of an injury or desperation that might cause us to change QB's.
 

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Unless we're lighting the world on fire with Geno, which seems highly unlikely, then there's no real reason not to give Howell a chance. And if Howell isn't the answer, and if we don't draft a qb now, then we'll be right back where we started next year, trying to draft a qb in a much worse qb class than this one. Yayyy. Good times.
 

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If we have a 20+ point lead going into the 4th quarter, then sure, put Sam in. If Geno is hurt, put Sam in. Otherwise, let him sit and learn.
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But we've all witnessed the Hawks blow 20 pt leads before...just sayin . ;)
 

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This is Howell's 3rd year in the league, and he's started 18 NFL games. If he's not ready this season, how much longer can one expect before he is ready?
18 NFL games isn't enough time to judge a player. When it was a 16 game season the standard was 32 games aka 2 full NFL seasons. So, like I said you can't force Howell on the field if he isn't ready.

Plus he will be better off if he sits and learn for a year IMVHO.

This assumption that if the Hawks draft a QB in the first round and they would start immediately within a year or two isn't how JS operates or the GB way that he learned from Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf.

The Packers took a lot of heat by having Love sit for a long period of time. But Rodgers gave them the best chance to go deep into the playoffs for many years until they felt it was time to move on.

On this I am going to have to disagree with you all because the expectations you all are putting on Geno and Howell are not realistic. People expect Geno to be a top five franchise QB and to will this team into the playoffs when not even Wilson could do that. And now asking for Howell to play and saying he is "ready" isn't true based on what we saw last year and how many sacks he took.
 
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18 NFL games isn't enough time to judge a player. When it was a 16 game season the standard was 32 games aka 2 full NFL seasons. So, like I said you can't force Howell on the field if he isn't ready.

Plus he will be better off if he sits and learn for a year IMVHO.
I believe that having started for a year will actually help him learn better as an understudy, as opposed to someone getting drafted and learning as an understudy without that experience.
 
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