Geno Smith is Dave Krieg….

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They are about similar talent level. Geno has the stupid picks, while a newborn infant had bigger hands than Krieg. Two defenders would crash together behind Krieg, and the ball would go flying wildlly out of his hand.
Similar talent level? No. Krieg is more similar to Brock Purdy than Geno. Geno was a second round pick from a major D-1 school. Krieg played at an NAIA school that doesn't even exist anymore. Miles apart on talent. Krieg had a grittiness about him that allowed him to succeed. Hence the nickname Mudbone.
 

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Krieg threw for over 38 thousand yards. 261 Touchdowns. He def. threw a lot of picks, 199 in his career.

When he was on, he was damn good. When he was off, ouch. We would call him Krag if he had a bad game, which made no sense, but it was what we did :)
 

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That game was magical. When it happened, i wanted to tell everyone i knew. but there were no cell phones, no social media, and no one else i knew followed the Hawks, so i mostly just yelled and jumped up and down for joy in my parent's living room. it was incredible.

Haha... that reminds me of me celebrating the Seahawks beating the Dolphins in Miami in the divisional round of the playoffs after the magical 1983 season. I think I was wearing my numberless royal-blue Seahawks jersey, and I was definitely wearing my Seahawks helmet. I ran around my neighborhood yelling and waving my arms in celebration. It was afternoon at the end of December in Maine, so nobody had doors or windows open, and most people probably had TVs turned on. My dad probably noticed my celebration and got a good chuckle over it. I honestly don't know or care if anyone else saw. I celebrated the Seahawks reaching the AFC Championship game.
 

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I remember that game well. If I recall it was also the first win in KC in a long time.
I watched that game myself. I think it was a rare game I caught as IIRC, that was after Behring sold the team and we were no longer competitive, and I was much more a fair weather hawks fan in those days. It's hard to watch when the team is awful, though in my old age, well I have my emotional breakdowns over it, but I watch nearly everything now, even if I hate it.
 

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Krieg was the fumblemeister. 3rd all-time. I agree with a lot of people here, he could look so good and so terrible both. And you can say that about Geno too, some of his mistakes are obvious bone-headed, like WTF were you thinking kind of plays.
 

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Haha... that reminds me of me celebrating the Seahawks beating the Dolphins in Miami in the divisional round of the playoffs after the magical 1983 season. I think I was wearing my numberless royal-blue Seahawks jersey, and I was definitely wearing my Seahawks helmet. I ran around my neighborhood yelling and waving my arms in celebration. It was afternoon at the end of December in Maine, so nobody had doors or windows open, and most people probably had TVs turned on. My dad probably noticed my celebration and got a good chuckle over it. I honestly don't know or care if anyone else saw. I celebrated the Seahawks reaching the AFC Championship game.
Thats great!

I'd only been a fan for a season or two when they won that game but it was like I had died and gone to heaven.

Not so great was the following week when we embarrassed ourselves against the Raiders...
 

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Passing was a lot harder back then too. When Krieg had 20 INTs in 1985, he was one of eight QBs to reach that mark. In the past ten seasons combined, only six QBs have hit 20 INTs, and it's happened just once this decade, which coincidentally, was the guy currently backing up Geno.
 

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Krieg was the fumblemeister. 3rd all-time. I agree with a lot of people here, he could look so good and so terrible both. And you can say that about Geno too, some of his mistakes are obvious bone-headed, like WTF were you thinking kind of plays.
The thing i dont get about Geno is his stubbornness in staying at the top of the pocket when pressure is coming when he could easily escape left or right. I get he is a gunslinger and that he knows he can make every throw. But when he isnt successful hanging in and hitting the big play, he's getting sacked for negative 10 yards.

if i was Grubb, I wouldnt let him throw a pass in practice all week and would just drill him on avoiding pressure and extending the play. He's great stepping up in the pocket and has shown that when he chooses to and does it quickly enough, he can escape left and right and make the play . The TD to Walker against the Falcons is a great example and there are many others.

That, and throwing the ball away.

I know its antithetical to the gunslinger approach - its why Favre was so good at making the impossible play and at times so heartbreakingly bad at turning the ball over - but with the defense playing better, Geno needs to understand that he doesnt have to win the game on his own. He can throw it away on 3rd down and let the D give him the ball back.
 

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Like i said. If you watch the other plays, they are not a result of making a poor decision. Murph has covered this on Youtube. Matty Brown has addressed it, as have a few others. If you have time, find their gane recaps. They do a pretty solid job of explaining exactly what was happening on the plays.

Shoot, if i have time i will post clips.

Its not making excuses.

Week 1 - 1 int.

Geno gets hit in the knees while throwing (should have been a roughing call) ball falls short when it likely would have been completed over the defender who intercepted it.

Bad decision? No.

Week 2 - No INTs

Week 3 - Dolphins - 1st int occured from the endzone where he was pressured immediateky and threw a pass to Charbs that he tipped and was Intercepted. He was throwing the ball to where Charbs had setup (7 yard line) but during the pass, Charbs broke back toward the line of scrimmage, the ball was deeper than his position (4 yard line).

Bad decision? He had to get rid of the ball or take a safety. He threw it to where his player was, under duress. - No.

2nd int - tipped ball by the Dlineman

Bad decision? No.

Week 4 - Detroit - he threw a pass to a doubled covered JSN from the 20 with a little over a minute left.

Bad decision? Yes. In Redzone

Week 5 against the Giants- no ints. But... he gets faulted for sliding short on 3rd and a mile and detractors point to THAT moment losing us the game, when DK caughed up the ball at the 20 when we woukd have scored and the playcall on 4th and 1 following Genos slide was hot garbage resulting in a sack.

Week 6 -1st int - an overthrow to Tyler from around the 25.

Bad decision? No.
Bad throw? Yes.

2nd int - DK runs a crap route resukting in the pick. This was ackowledged by everyone who was asked about it, including DK.

Bad decision? No

Week 7 - No picks

Week 8 - Buffalo - he throws an INT as a result of a batted pass on a screen to Walker. Its the exact same kind of pass we have hit for huge yards a hundred times. Could he have pulled the ball down and broke pocket a bit? Maybe.

But a bad decision? No

Good on the Defender timing the swat.

Week 9 - 1st pick hits JSN in the body, bounces off and is intercepted. The ball was a little behind him, but hits him in the chest / arms.

Bad decision? No

2nd pick - pick 6 after his arm was hit trying to throw the ball away. He could have decided to throw it away sooner but was hit from behind so he likely thought he had time.

Bad decision - Yes and No.

3rd pick - Barner is held. Geno throws it EXACTLY to where Barner was going. Not his fault his receiver was held getting there. Should have been interference.

Bad decision? No

Week 10 - he throws a ball to where he thought JSN would go on his scramble when he should have just run it.

Bad decision? Yes

Week 11 - he tosses a dumb ball into the endzone right at the defender when he could have run for the 1st.

Bad decision? Yes

Thats all of them. Feel free to debate my take, but those are the circumstances under which they happened. Contrary to popular belief, they arent all happening in the redzone. As a matter of fact, few of them are.

And the majority of the time, they arent a byproduct of the QB brain farting.

The dude has been under a good bit of pressure behind one of the worst line in the league. Considering that and the low number of 'unforced errors' he has commited, he's doing pretty well.

There is no defense of his dumb backpedal, for him not running sooner, and for him trying to force balls into tight windows or for trying to make a play when there isnt one to be made.

But the reality is that these INTs shouldnt even have counted due to uncalled penalties.

Week 1 - should have been roughing where he was hit while throwing.
Week 9 - one should have been PI

There are 4 more that hit the reciever in the hands or were tipped by a defender.

Theres one where his arm was hit resulting in an INT

Thats 7. Is Geno a victim in those 7? No. Coukd he have made better plays? Sure. But he also didnt make bad plays or poor decisions.

4 of the other 5 are 100% Geno. No doubt about it.

But to have a guy get pummeled constantly, always be in a position where he is throwing under duress - this just isnt a case of Geno making bad decisions that are killing us.

Its an offense that is maligned because it is overly pass based and cant pass protect, resulting in oressure thats getting to the QB and effecting the play or the pass itself.
Those are the ones that were ints though. There's 2 or 3 times a game where there's ints dropped. As Brock guard mentioned there's a few times a game where it's as of it's a backup playing. The rest of the time he's really good
 
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