Geno looked crazy good tonight

[SoulfishHawk]

Wins and Losses, especially actual playoff wins. The true stat.

 

[pittpnthrs]

For those with simple minds probably, but many things have layers to them and you need to peel them back to get the real picture and answers.

This is exactly what i'm talking about when Geno fanboys make excuses for his lack of success. It's never his fault. Most of the time if it walks like a duck, its a duck.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I just want him to cut back on throwing the ball directly to defenders. Get back to 2022 Geno and this team will be damn good. Fortunately, the defenders have feet for hands and SEVERAL were dropped. Just because they were dropped, that doesn't change the fact that they happened, a lot.

Someone coming in to tell me "he only had 9 picks last year" in 3.....2......1.......

 

[pittpnthrs]

The idea that Russ didn't elevate anyone is absolutely crazy talk. Russ hate continues to cause revisionist history that is goofy at best. I'm not going to get into it because its the same usual players.

Geno has to play much better than he has since the magical first half of the season he had when he kicked his starting job off. He's been much, much better than anyone expected and I think this team is really set up for him to have a monster season. But he had 20 touchdowns last year. That number probably needs to double if he's going to win MVP. Is that likely? No but I also don't have a problem with someone thinking he has a chance to do it.

I would love another efficient, 30 touchdown season from Geno and I think he has a decent shot to do that this year.

First of all, I think MVP talk and Geno is insane.

Secondly, if Geno throws for 30 TD's, that more than likely means that the running game is still lacking and thats not good. I'm fine with 20 or near TDs.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I just want him to cut back on throwing the ball directly to defenders. Get back to 2022 Geno and this team will be damn good.

Someone coming in to tell me "he only had 9 picks last year" in 3.....2......1.......

*whispering* He also had the most passes that should have been picked but were dropped. Shhhh,,,,don't tell anybody that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Several. While I'm luke warm on Geno, I think he's gonna' have a hell of a season compared to last year. More to work with, a more disciplined team, and one hell of an offense. Plus, Grubb.

 

[hox]

I guess I just don't get why he gets put up there like he's some elite, clutch QB. Like breaking records when you played 17 games. Ok........how about winning a playoff game first. JUST ONCE.

Yeah but your goal posts keep moving. Watch him win a playoff game this season, and you'll be like, "but he hasn't won an NFC title!"

I just want him to cut back on throwing the ball directly to defenders. Get back to 2022 Geno and this team will be damn good. Fortunately, the defenders have feet for hands and SEVERAL were dropped. Just because they were dropped, that doesn't change the fact that they happened, a lot.

Someone coming in to tell me "he only had 9 picks last year" in 3.....2......1.......

I mean, some people sucking off Mahomes in this very thread, yet Mahomes threw 14 picks last season. Grading on a different curve here?

 

[CallMeADawg]

Yeah but your goal posts keep moving. Watch him win a playoff game this season, and you'll be like, "but he hasn't won an NFC title!"


I mean, some people sucking off Mahomes in this very thread, yet Mahomes threw 14 picks last season. Grading on a different curve here?

And, Mahomes threw passes to defenders as well... Not all were intercepted... Seems like this might be, I dunno, part of the game?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah but your goal posts keep moving. Watch him win a playoff game this season, and you'll be like, "but he hasn't won an NFC title!"


I mean, some people sucking off Mahomes in this very thread, yet Mahomes threw 14 picks last season. Grading on a different curve here?

No, I won't at all. I'll be stoked we finally got a playoff win. Been a minute.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah but your goal posts keep moving. Watch him win a playoff game this season, and you'll be like, "but he hasn't won an NFC title!"


I mean, some people sucking off Mahomes in this very thread, yet Mahomes threw 14 picks last season. Grading on a different curve here?

Are you serious? Mahomes is one of the best QB's in the history of the game. Dear god.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And, Mahomes threw passes to defenders as well... Not all were intercepted... Seems like this might be, I dunno, part of the game?

So is winning 3 SB's in 4 years.
Yeah, those 14 picks really hurt him.

 

[themunn]

I mean how many was that? dude only passed for 20 TD's all year, that's barely 1td per game. It was good to see him get some come from behind wins, but you are acting like he was some offensive juggernaut. Dude might have 1 4td game in his entire career. Let's see how our guy does with a better Oline before we start crowning this guy elite.

You're right, from an overall offensive standpoint Geno Smith had a disappointing year statistically. The point that myself and others have been trying to make is that it's near impossible to *truly* assess how much a QB "propels his team to victory, sustains drives, makes passes average QB's could only dream making" etc, given that football is a team sport. Russell Wilson won a superbowl in 2013 off the back of an incredible defense, statistically it was one of his poorest years. Mahomes as well had statistically a down year last year compared to his career yet also won a superbowl, with his defense and special teams picking up the slack.

Smith has a small sample size to work with - he was drafted by a team that finished dead last in the standings and started as a rookie and sophomore. As a college player he played almost entirely in a spread offense from shotgun and it was always known that he would have to work on his footwork to improve as a passer which would take time - time not really afforded to a guy who was a week 1 starter as a rookie for a god-awful team. After having his jaw broken and losing his starting job to an experienced vet who came in and played well, he subsequently sat on the bench behind 3 players who are all in the Hall of Fame conversation. He has come in and played 2 seasons as a starter as a Seahawk, in that time being named to the pro bowl twice, comeback player of the year, at one point in 2022 was considered a dark horse MVP candidate and last year set an NFL record for most go ahead TDs in the fourth quarter (simultaneously making redundant the one criticism everybody seemed to have in 2022 which was that he wasn't "clutch" in the 4th quarter).

The question we are asking is: is Geno Smith a talented enough quarterback that can make a moment of magic and take a team over the top to win a game? Well he has demonstrated it multiple times in the last 2 years, and while overall it hasn't worked out, he has led us to two winning seasons despite our defense finishing in the bottom 10 in both yards and points in both years - the ONLY team in the NFL with such a dubious distinction over that period.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Let's just kick some a** this year. Especially Geno. He's our QB, I'll be screaming for him from my seat all season, like I always do. I'm not required to think he's a great QB. I hope he is 2022 good or even better. We need him.

 

[CallMeADawg]

So is winning 3 SB's in 4 years.

That's not the point.

That's a perfect example of moving the goalposts though.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Whatever you say man. He's a good not great QB. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree. I think this whole thing has run its course.
We all have our opinions, and that's cool. Go Hawks

 

[CallMeADawg]

Whatever you say man. He's a good not great QB. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree. I think this whole thing has run its course.
We all have our opinions, and that's cool. Go Hawks

I've said he's a good QB. Those were my exact words in this thread.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sweet. 10-7, it's gonna' happen.

 

[chris98251]

To help defenders with dropped passes they could bring this back.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I like his chances at league MVP tbh. Thoughts?

This is where we started.

"But why are you talking about Mahomes???" Well because the OP was talking about MVP. No Geno lover should ever want Geno compared to Mahomes because that's like comparing Gisele Bundchen to Lizzo. I get it. Some of you might like Lizzo but normal people would prefer Gisele.

I thought it sounded silly and that there are easily a dozen QBs that could swap with Geno straight across and do better and at the same time the other team would do worse. But it seems like there is plenty of disagreement and for a few there is NOT A SINGLE NFL QB that could be subbed for Geno and be more successful on the Seahawks.

Then it became "obscure stat" time. WHO CARES if a QB has a ton of 4th quarter comebacks when HE was so mediocre earlier in the game that he HAD to come back? His numbers and QBR and all that were 12-16ish range.

He is the weakest link on the team. He will do his job some games but he will not elevate anyone else in doing theres.

With that I'm out of this thread. We can necro it later and laugh either at me or some of you. No idea what my stalker said so maybe him too.

Go Seahawks. I'll root for the team that's playing. I just wish the F-16 had a better pilot.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Who did he make better ? Baldwin and the receivers doing the scramble drill bailed him out more then the designed plays. Lynch the most contact in the backfield for multiple years running making yards out of nothing. He never or rarely used the TE, in fact the reason being he needed the extra blockers. The defense holding teams close and getting turnovers made him look good. So who elevated who, yes he made the games exciting with his hero ball concept, he also caused heart attacks and strokes to increase in Seattle fans by probably 100 percent. I did say that Petes game management was probably 65 percent or so of the issue.

I give a ton of credit to Baldwin and Lockett to make Russ's style of play work, but Russ has to get some credit for elevating the offense with his versatility. His ability to be threat to run, hand off, or launch it deep made our offense a legit triple threat on almost any play and this elevated what Marshawn was able to do.