Gary vs Klint vs Kyle

[hox]

With that preseason teaser, I'm intrigued with what Klint could do with this offense, so I asked GPT5 about the differences between Gary, Klint and Kyle's offenses. We know who Kyle is and what he's done. As for Gary, he has multiple Championships on his resume:

Gary Kubiak’s Championships​

• Super Bowl Rings (4 total):
  • HC: Super Bowl 50 (2015 Broncos, beat Panthers 24–10).
  • QB Coach: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 49ers, beat Chargers 49–26).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 Broncos, beat Packers 31–24).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXIII (1998 Broncos, beat Falcons 34–19).

According to GPT 5, Klint's offense is a hybrid of Gary Kubiak’s classic zone-play action system and Kyle Shanahan’s modern, motion-heavy, YAC-focused evolution.

The Coaching DNA​

• Gary Kubiak (the father):
  • Core = outside zone run game + under-center play-action/bootlegs.
  • Goal = simplify reads, move the pocket, balance run/pass, wear defenses down.
  • Famous for turning mid-round RBs (Terrell Davis, Arian Foster) into stars and making QBs efficient (Matt Schaub, late-career John Elway).
• Kyle Shanahan (Gary’s protégé):
  • Core = same outside zone roots, but modernized.
  • Added heavy pre-snap motion, formation shifts, gap/power run wrinkles, and yards-after-catch passing concepts.
  • The offense is deceptive and QB-friendly: lots of “layup throws” with playmakers (Deebo, Kittle, McCaffrey).
• Klint Kubiak:
  • Grew up in Gary’s system, coached with both his dad and Kyle Shanahan.
  • His playbook blends the disciplined, run-centric balance of Gary’s system with the motion/YAC wrinkles of Kyle’s system.
  • This hybridization is what we’re now seeing unfold in Seattle.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Gary’s​

1. Run First Philosophy
   • Just like Gary, Klint builds everything off the outside zone run game.
2. Under-Center Emphasis
   • Klint is bringing Seattle back to under-center football after a shotgun-heavy year in 2024. This mirrors his dad’s classic style and sets up stronger play-action deception.
3. Bootlegs & Play-Action Deep Shots
   • Darnold will live on bootlegs, half-rolls, and deep posts — the bread and butter of Gary’s system.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Kyle’s​

1. Motion and Shifts
   • Klint uses more pre-snap movement than his dad ever did — not as much as Kyle (who uses motion almost every play), but enough to create mismatches and disguises.
2. Passing Game Tweaks
   • While Gary’s pass game leaned on timing routes and occasional deep shots, Klint integrates crossers, drags, and in-breakers that mirror Kyle’s YAC focus.
   • Players like JSN and Cooper Kupp are perfect for this — they catch short/intermediate passes and create explosive plays after the catch.
3. Run Variety Beyond Outside Zone
   • Gary was almost pure outside zone. Kyle expanded to include inside zone, duo, counter, toss-crack, gap schemes. Klint is incorporating this diversity too (Charbonnet as the power complement).
4. Shotgun & RPO Elements
   • Kyle (and McVay) modernized the tree with shotgun looks and occasional RPOs. Klint has adopted these too — something Gary never leaned on.

Key Differences: Gary vs. Klint vs. Kyle​

Element	Gary Kubiak (Classic)	Kyle Shanahan (Modern)	Klint Kubiak (Hybrid)
Run Game	Outside zone heavy	Outside zone + gap/power + toss	Outside zone base + inside zone/gap mix
QB Usage	Under center, bootlegs	Both under center & shotgun, motion defines reads	Under center emphasis, adds shotgun/RPOs
Passing	Play-action deep shots, timing	YAC crossers, motion layups, spacing	PA + crossers + quick game + YAC
Motion	Minimal	Heavy, nearly every snap	Moderate, situational
Identity	“Run to set up the pass”	“Deception + YAC factory”	“Balanced, run first but adaptable”

Summary​

Klint Kubiak is carrying forward Gary’s DNA — disciplined outside zone, under-center play-action, QB-friendly reads — but he’s layered in Kyle Shanahan’s modern wrinkles: motion, formation variety, diversified run schemes, and a passing game built for YAC.

Think of it this way:

• Gary’s scheme = foundation.
• Kyle’s innovations = upgrades.
• Klint’s playbook = a bridge between the two.

That makes Seattle’s 2025 offense potentially very dangerous: physical enough to pound teams on the ground (Gary-style), but modern enough to stay deceptive and dynamic (Kyle-style).

 

[Maulbert]

Gary Kubiak was the QB coach on the '94 Niners, not the OC. Mike Shanahan was their OC.

 

[hox]

Gary Kubiak was the QB coach on the '94 Niners, not the OC. Mike Shanahan was their OC.

Updated

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

I will say again, as someone who loved Gary's offense in Houston, I'm excited to see what Klint does with the foundation and upgrades. These 2 preseason games have me excited to watch again. Man, I can't wait for real football.

 

[Atradees]

Nice post.

 

[toffee]

Some coaches were ready by day 1, while others need time, lots of time, to learn and mature. Our Kubiak was the slow-cook type; my fingers are crossed that he is ready now.

My observation of his career:

Seahawks request Interview with Grant Udinski

It would be hilarious if all the hype was just propaganda to try to get us to hire dead weight from their staff. The vikings v hawks cold war has been going on since Hutch-gate. Udi could be the ultimate poison pill, lol. That is the risk with hiring an unknown, but I will take it, and make...

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[toffee]

I will say again, as someone who loved Gary's offense in Houston, I'm excited to see what Klint does with the foundation and upgrades. These 2 preseason games have me excited to watch again. Man, I can't wait for real football.

Bentsen famously said during his VP debate with Quayle, "I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine, Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."
In the spirit of Bensten, Klint is no Gary Kubiak.


jump to 0:45

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

No, he's not. But I like what this kid is doing with what his daddy taught him.

 

[keasley45]

Interesting comp between the 3. we will see what the jr Kubiak can do here shortly. I'm hoping that over the course of the season Klint incorporates a little more of Kyle's approach only because it seems the one most capable of attacking a defense regardless of whether the trends are toward ground based attacks or the passing game.

More important than what style he runs and what plays he draws up is WHEN he runs them, WHETHER he adapts well to in specific situations, and HOW he attacks the oppositions weaknesses. Its the chess game and how well the coach plays it that is the differentiator. We haven't had an OC adept at that game since Holmgren left.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Kyle Shanahan's success is just dependent on his ridiculous skill at drafting dynamic playmakers than it does with his system. It's the one thing from him that I'm actually envious of.

 

[hox]

More important than what style he runs and what plays he draws up is WHEN he runs them, WHETHER he adapts well to in specific situations, and HOW he attacks the oppositions weaknesses. Its the chess game and how well the coach plays it that is the differentiator. We haven't had an OC adept at that game since Holmgren left.

One hundred. I remember Waldron would have some decent scripted plays on the first and second drive, and then it would fall apart once defenses adjusted. It became a random approach to play calling regardless of down or distance, or what was working well and what wasn't. Grubb was possibly worse, except his plays were more telegraphed. Teams easily blew up the point of attack because they knew exactly what he was going to do.

Enter Kubiak, (and perhaps I'm projecting), but there's layering, there's sequencing. One play sets up the next. It's not random. One formation produces multiple different plays to keep defenses guessing. And there's an easy outlet option on almost every play. Remember those slow developing plays when the QB was stationary, there would be no one in the backfield, and the result was a sack? Hopefully those days are over.

We haven't even talked about the power full back and TE sets yet. Those will be fun.

 

[Sperrydogg]

With that preseason teaser, I'm intrigued with what Klint could do with this offense, so I asked GPT5 about the differences between Gary, Klint and Kyle's offenses. We know who Kyle is and what he's done. As for Gary, he has multiple Championships on his resume:

Gary Kubiak’s Championships​

• Super Bowl Rings (4 total):
  • HC: Super Bowl 50 (2015 Broncos, beat Panthers 24–10).
  • QB Coach: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 49ers, beat Chargers 49–26).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 Broncos, beat Packers 31–24).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXIII (1998 Broncos, beat Falcons 34–19).

According to GPT 5, Klint's offense is a hybrid of Gary Kubiak’s classic zone-play action system and Kyle Shanahan’s modern, motion-heavy, YAC-focused evolution.

The Coaching DNA​

• Gary Kubiak (the father):
  • Core = outside zone run game + under-center play-action/bootlegs.
  • Goal = simplify reads, move the pocket, balance run/pass, wear defenses down.
  • Famous for turning mid-round RBs (Terrell Davis, Arian Foster) into stars and making QBs efficient (Matt Schaub, late-career John Elway).
• Kyle Shanahan (Gary’s protégé):
  • Core = same outside zone roots, but modernized.
  • Added heavy pre-snap motion, formation shifts, gap/power run wrinkles, and yards-after-catch passing concepts.
  • The offense is deceptive and QB-friendly: lots of “layup throws” with playmakers (Deebo, Kittle, McCaffrey).
• Klint Kubiak:
  • Grew up in Gary’s system, coached with both his dad and Kyle Shanahan.
  • His playbook blends the disciplined, run-centric balance of Gary’s system with the motion/YAC wrinkles of Kyle’s system.
  • This hybridization is what we’re now seeing unfold in Seattle.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Gary’s​

1. Run First Philosophy
   • Just like Gary, Klint builds everything off the outside zone run game.
2. Under-Center Emphasis
   • Klint is bringing Seattle back to under-center football after a shotgun-heavy year in 2024. This mirrors his dad’s classic style and sets up stronger play-action deception.
3. Bootlegs & Play-Action Deep Shots
   • Darnold will live on bootlegs, half-rolls, and deep posts — the bread and butter of Gary’s system.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Kyle’s​

1. Motion and Shifts
   • Klint uses more pre-snap movement than his dad ever did — not as much as Kyle (who uses motion almost every play), but enough to create mismatches and disguises.
2. Passing Game Tweaks
   • While Gary’s pass game leaned on timing routes and occasional deep shots, Klint integrates crossers, drags, and in-breakers that mirror Kyle’s YAC focus.
   • Players like JSN and Cooper Kupp are perfect for this — they catch short/intermediate passes and create explosive plays after the catch.
3. Run Variety Beyond Outside Zone
   • Gary was almost pure outside zone. Kyle expanded to include inside zone, duo, counter, toss-crack, gap schemes. Klint is incorporating this diversity too (Charbonnet as the power complement).
4. Shotgun & RPO Elements
   • Kyle (and McVay) modernized the tree with shotgun looks and occasional RPOs. Klint has adopted these too — something Gary never leaned on.

Key Differences: Gary vs. Klint vs. Kyle​

Element	Gary Kubiak (Classic)	Kyle Shanahan (Modern)	Klint Kubiak (Hybrid)
Run Game	Outside zone heavy	Outside zone + gap/power + toss	Outside zone base + inside zone/gap mix
QB Usage	Under center, bootlegs	Both under center & shotgun, motion defines reads	Under center emphasis, adds shotgun/RPOs
Passing	Play-action deep shots, timing	YAC crossers, motion layups, spacing	PA + crossers + quick game + YAC
Motion	Minimal	Heavy, nearly every snap	Moderate, situational
Identity	“Run to set up the pass”	“Deception + YAC factory”	“Balanced, run first but adaptable”

Summary​

Klint Kubiak is carrying forward Gary’s DNA — disciplined outside zone, under-center play-action, QB-friendly reads — but he’s layered in Kyle Shanahan’s modern wrinkles: motion, formation variety, diversified run schemes, and a passing game built for YAC.

Think of it this way:

• Gary’s scheme = foundation.
• Kyle’s innovations = upgrades.
• Klint’s playbook = a bridge between the two.

That makes Seattle’s 2025 offense potentially very dangerous: physical enough to pound teams on the ground (Gary-style), but modern enough to stay deceptive and dynamic (Kyle-style).

I’m impressed with your work ethic. This essay has the makings of a college assignment. Broken down outline with a purpose and schedule. Impressive, way more effort than I am prepared to apply, I rely heavily on others mistakes so I can capitalize on the moment but you are putting in work. I don’t have the self control to read everything you said but I’m still impressed, thank god this posting shyt ain’t union cause you makin us all look lazzzy

 

[Sperrydogg]

With that preseason teaser, I'm intrigued with what Klint could do with this offense, so I asked GPT5 about the differences between Gary, Klint and Kyle's offenses. We know who Kyle is and what he's done. As for Gary, he has multiple Championships on his resume:

Gary Kubiak’s Championships​

• Super Bowl Rings (4 total):
  • HC: Super Bowl 50 (2015 Broncos, beat Panthers 24–10).
  • QB Coach: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 49ers, beat Chargers 49–26).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 Broncos, beat Packers 31–24).
  • OC: Super Bowl XXXIII (1998 Broncos, beat Falcons 34–19).

According to GPT 5, Klint's offense is a hybrid of Gary Kubiak’s classic zone-play action system and Kyle Shanahan’s modern, motion-heavy, YAC-focused evolution.

The Coaching DNA​

• Gary Kubiak (the father):
  • Core = outside zone run game + under-center play-action/bootlegs.
  • Goal = simplify reads, move the pocket, balance run/pass, wear defenses down.
  • Famous for turning mid-round RBs (Terrell Davis, Arian Foster) into stars and making QBs efficient (Matt Schaub, late-career John Elway).
• Kyle Shanahan (Gary’s protégé):
  • Core = same outside zone roots, but modernized.
  • Added heavy pre-snap motion, formation shifts, gap/power run wrinkles, and yards-after-catch passing concepts.
  • The offense is deceptive and QB-friendly: lots of “layup throws” with playmakers (Deebo, Kittle, McCaffrey).
• Klint Kubiak:
  • Grew up in Gary’s system, coached with both his dad and Kyle Shanahan.
  • His playbook blends the disciplined, run-centric balance of Gary’s system with the motion/YAC wrinkles of Kyle’s system.
  • This hybridization is what we’re now seeing unfold in Seattle.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Gary’s​

1. Run First Philosophy
   • Just like Gary, Klint builds everything off the outside zone run game.
2. Under-Center Emphasis
   • Klint is bringing Seattle back to under-center football after a shotgun-heavy year in 2024. This mirrors his dad’s classic style and sets up stronger play-action deception.
3. Bootlegs & Play-Action Deep Shots
   • Darnold will live on bootlegs, half-rolls, and deep posts — the bread and butter of Gary’s system.

How Klint’s Offense Mirrors Kyle’s​

1. Motion and Shifts
   • Klint uses more pre-snap movement than his dad ever did — not as much as Kyle (who uses motion almost every play), but enough to create mismatches and disguises.
2. Passing Game Tweaks
   • While Gary’s pass game leaned on timing routes and occasional deep shots, Klint integrates crossers, drags, and in-breakers that mirror Kyle’s YAC focus.
   • Players like JSN and Cooper Kupp are perfect for this — they catch short/intermediate passes and create explosive plays after the catch.
3. Run Variety Beyond Outside Zone
   • Gary was almost pure outside zone. Kyle expanded to include inside zone, duo, counter, toss-crack, gap schemes. Klint is incorporating this diversity too (Charbonnet as the power complement).
4. Shotgun & RPO Elements
   • Kyle (and McVay) modernized the tree with shotgun looks and occasional RPOs. Klint has adopted these too — something Gary never leaned on.

Key Differences: Gary vs. Klint vs. Kyle​

Element	Gary Kubiak (Classic)	Kyle Shanahan (Modern)	Klint Kubiak (Hybrid)
Run Game	Outside zone heavy	Outside zone + gap/power + toss	Outside zone base + inside zone/gap mix
QB Usage	Under center, bootlegs	Both under center & shotgun, motion defines reads	Under center emphasis, adds shotgun/RPOs
Passing	Play-action deep shots, timing	YAC crossers, motion layups, spacing	PA + crossers + quick game + YAC
Motion	Minimal	Heavy, nearly every snap	Moderate, situational
Identity	“Run to set up the pass”	“Deception + YAC factory”	“Balanced, run first but adaptable”

Summary​

Klint Kubiak is carrying forward Gary’s DNA — disciplined outside zone, under-center play-action, QB-friendly reads — but he’s layered in Kyle Shanahan’s modern wrinkles: motion, formation variety, diversified run schemes, and a passing game built for YAC.

Think of it this way:

• Gary’s scheme = foundation.
• Kyle’s innovations = upgrades.
• Klint’s playbook = a bridge between the two.

That makes Seattle’s 2025 offense potentially very dangerous: physical enough to pound teams on the ground (Gary-style), but modern enough to stay deceptive and dynamic (Kyle-style).

All I heard was were gone fuc you up

 

[Sperrydogg]

Some coaches were ready by day 1, while others need time, lots of time, to learn and mature. Our Kubiak was the slow-cook type; my fingers are crossed that he is ready now.

My observation of his career:

Seahawks request Interview with Grant Udinski

It would be hilarious if all the hype was just propaganda to try to get us to hire dead weight from their staff. The vikings v hawks cold war has been going on since Hutch-gate. Udi could be the ultimate poison pill, lol. That is the risk with hiring an unknown, but I will take it, and make...

www.seahawks.net

Yeah but he got to cooking temperature on someone else’s dime

 

[hox]

I’m impressed with your work ethic. This essay has the makings of a college assignment. Broken down outline with a purpose and schedule. Impressive, way more effort than I am prepared to apply, I rely heavily on others mistakes so I can capitalize on the moment but you are putting in work. I don’t have the self control to read everything you said but I’m still impressed, thank god this posting shyt ain’t union cause you makin us all look lazzzy

lol it's mostly AI output. Just have to prompt it with input.

 

[Sperrydogg]

lol it's mostly AI output. Just have to prompt it with input.

Oh shyt I take it all back

 

[Sperrydogg]

Oh shyt I take it all back

Yes don’t share your techniques

 

[Sperrydogg]

Bentsen famously said during his VP debate with Quayle, "I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine, Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."
In the spirit of Bensten, Klint is no Gary Kubiak.


jump to 0:45

Whoa whoa whoa Clint is more of an Eastwood you have no idea how good the bad ugly is gonna be

 

[hox]

Kyle Shanahan's success is just dependent on his ridiculous skill at drafting dynamic playmakers than it does with his system. It's the one thing from him that I'm actually envious of.

That's the sauce. Draft dynamic playmakers that fit your system.

Their core is old now though so will see how long that holds up. CMC and Kittle will still get theirs, but they will miss Deebo.

 

[toffee]

No, he's not. But I like what this kid is doing with what his daddy taught him.

We shall see, shan't we?