#Free Russell

[IndyHawk]

THere was a game a few years back where we opened the game with a Russ RO scramble. I felt like that got him pumped early. I'd like to see Russ use his legs from the start to have the D second guessing things. It could open up the Deep ball and run game just having those easy first downs in the back of their mind.

Good idea but early in game is when I'd worry about pulling something
in leg.It might be just me but he seems to take a few plays before he gets loose.

 

[getnasty]

As much as we all might want to be the Rams, Chiefs, Saints, etc if we get into a shootout with these teams were gonna end up in trouble.

The Hawks went toe to toe with the Rams twice last year and beat the Chiefs in a shoot-out so what the hell are you talking about?

#FreeRussell didn't throw for 300 yards in any of those three games and was under 200 in two of them but you know what we did do in those games? We ran the football really well.

 

[Seanhawk]

I see Baldwin is now actively rooting against the Seahawks. "Well deserved."

I think I'll be paying even less attention to what that self-aggrandizing smuglord has to say now.

Remember his best friend is Sherman

This tweet is from Ben Baldwin. Or are you talking about Bob Sherman?

 

[Tical21]

Seattle's offense is the worst in the league during the scripted first 15 plays. I know this probably doesn't surprise anyone.

But Pete's play it safe mentality is putting his team in a hole, that his QB then has to get him out of in the 2nd half.


[tweet]https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1176561939197169670[/tweet]

Russell Wilson had completed 13 of 14 passes at the half. So he was following and executing this garbage ass gameplan. The problem was, it was garbage.


After the disaster this week I expect Pete to double down and go uber conservative this week. He is going to heavily emphasize his "philosophy". It's against AZ so he should get away with it, and the team will win the game, but I expect super-duper ugly.

It's a waste of time to play this style as they cannot afford to play it against playoff teams, or it will be an automatic L.

Here is the thing. When playing this style, if they just make a couple mistakes, they could easily lose. This style gives no margin for error. He doesn't seem to realize he doesn't have the #1 scoring defense anymore.

#Free Russell.

So Russell goes 13 of 14 and you're using that to signify that the coordinator is bad? That's a tough sell.

Run inside zone until you get it right. It's a staple play and we aren't going anywhere without it.

Pete's going to go to 3-1 this weekend. He's going to keep on winning, and a lot of people aren't going to be able to handle it. The Pete and Schotty vultures are going to keep circling, waiting for a loss to come down and pick at.

Have you considered that slowing the game down and making each play more meaningful, knowing you have a quarterback that doesn't make mistakes, puts us in position to win every week, regardless of whether or not the opponent is more talented than we are?

It would be a cool experiment to surround Russ with a top line, a glorified WR at TE, and star WR's. He'd probably throw for 5000 yards and 40 TD's. But I wouldn't necessarily bet that we win any more games that way. In fact, I kind of doubt it.

Whether or not you approve of Pete's methods, they've won NFL games at a ridiculous rate. It's time to just accept winning. It's not that hard.

 

[Tical21]

I see Baldwin is now actively rooting against the Seahawks. "Well deserved."

I think I'll be paying even less attention to what that self-aggrandizing smuglord has to say now.

Ben Baldwin is a glorified troll that made a career out of a fallacy, knows it, and holds onto it with all his might becomes he knows wants it is proven wrong, he's got nothing.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You make some really good points Tical. You would think after all these years that people could accept winning. And at a pace better than most teams not from New England.
The methods might be annoying at times. But...... Wins/Losses/Playoff appearances and playoff success etc. It can't really even be argued, they have been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL since Pete got here.
I prefer they go to the pass early, but it's likely not going to happen so it is what it is. Shoot, I want Pete to get a LOT better at time management, that likely won't change either. Pete is what Pete is, a very good football coach who is a little stubborn and old school at times. Now the frustration also comes from the fact that we all know they should have 2 titles, and are capable of doing even more. I'd rather hear complaining about a winning team than an average or crap team. Nothing fun about a losing team. This has been a hell of a run under Pete.

 

[Fanatics]

I don't what the cause is but we can't continue to blame the OC's, players must execute.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Did you watch the game on Sunday? The play calling was horrific.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Seattle's offense is the worst in the league during the scripted first 15 plays. I know this probably doesn't surprise anyone.

Death
Taxes
We suck in the first half

I guess give Pete and Schotty credit, they TRIED to open it up early with the first series in the NO's game, but it horribly backfired.

So yes, I'd be shocked if we didn't return to Pete's safe and predictable one yard and a cloud of dust to not make mistakes.......which of course will allow a bad Cardinals team to hang with us until the 4th quarter.

At this point, I'd just let Russell call his own plays in the first quarter. At least he's out there seeing the defense in real time, which might give him an advantage on what will work. Instead of the same tired failure of 10-15 scripted plays that will result in 2-3 three and outs and our already mediocre defense getting gassed because they're on the field the entire first half.

 

[AgentDib]

The first series was derailed right off the bat by a 10 yard penalty. 1st and 20 is hard for every team in the NFL and when we're trying to establish the run it really hinders us.

People keep talking about scripted plays like we start with play #1 and call them in order. A more accurate name for them would be preferred plays. Like every NFL team, they are not plays that we have set in stone, but rather a collection of plays that we think will work well against an opponent and so we spend extra practice time on them during the week. We might call one preferred play four times in a game with different wrinkles. I strongly doubt there was a 1st and 20 "scripted" play in Schottenheimer's collection on Sunday (but maybe there should have been).

You would think after all these years that people could accept winning.

I don't fault fans who would like to see a high scoring offense. Enough people think that way that the NFL has changed rules over the years in favor of offenses. A 55-52 game is widely viewed as an instant classic rather than a defensive dumpster fire. The "worst" Seahawks game in the PC era according to many fans was our 3pt road loss to the Browns in 2011 where we were playing a backup QB, #24 was a pre-game scratch with a bad back, our starting CB went down for the season and then Chancellor hurt his knee.

However, arguing about the direction of the team in 2019 week 4 is tiresome. Pete is the oldest coach ever in the NFL and we're not going to completely change a successful philosophy in week 4 because of fan preference towards high scoring games. After he retires there will be tons of time to debate who the next coaching hire should be, whether they should be offensive or defensive minded, what sort of scheme we want to run with Russ and so on. My guess is that fans who are trying to get ahead of the issue now are completely wasting their time because the Seahawks will simply find a big name candidate and tempt them with full control like Pete has.

He is grounded in his beliefs but not as stubborn as we are making him out to be. I want to start faster too, but I also believe every team in the league wants to start fast and keep on the gas.

I think Pete gets a bit of a bad rap on this. It does sound dumb from a fan perspective but it's not aimed at the fans. Emphasizing the fourth quarter is just a coaching motivational tactic to keep the players from letting up when they are ahead or from giving up when they are behind. He's OK with the team playing conservatively in the first quarter but not with them making unforced errors, and what happened in Sunday in the first half was a comedy of unforced errors.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't give a rip how they win. I just want wins.

 

[Seymour]

Newsflash!!!

"You can't win it in the 1st quarter". :roll:

Nope....you can only lose it there.

 

[knownone]

Meanwhile, if you look at the Seahawk’s offensive efficiency for every play of the first 3 weeks they are the 5th best team in the NFL.

 

[Tical21]

Meanwhile, if you look at the Seahawk’s offensive efficiency for every play of the first 3 weeks they are the 5th best team in the NFL.

Is it possible that they're, I dunno, setting up plays?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This formula isn't going to change. We can hit our heads against the walls, but the chances are very slim they will change any time soon. But the W's keep piling up, doesn't really matter how they get it done.

 

[TwistedHusky]

At some point you have to stop being shocked.

Carroll is not going to change. Neither is JS. And neither will the results.

We will never turn this team into the Green Bay Northwest that would probably be much more enjoyable to watch and yield better results. Russell will never be unshackled or even our primary offensive threat in the first 3 quarters. We will run the ball into stacked boxes because that is what we do and who we are.

We are a wildcard team that occasionally, but rarely, misses the playoffs. No better, no worse.

Ever since we lost the SuperBowl we have been a wildcard team.

Carroll has a system that allows us to continue to barely make the playoffs even with the tremendous loss of talent we have experienced. So we get that.

It has been a little more than half a decade since that loss. And the only major changes are that we are switching out great players for average players. For the most part.

We are still going to win plenty of games. We won't win the division and we won't challenge for anything in the playoffs. We MIGHT win a wildcard game, which has about the same % chance of happening as us missing the wildcard game entirely.

But even though we could be scoring more, we won't. Even though we don't have a great or even a good defense, we will still lean on it. Because it results in more wins than losses and Pete is more concerned with ramrodding his philosophy in than getting better results with the resources we have.

So that is the reality. He hasn't changed. He won't change. And while this team could do better, it could also do worse.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We have been better than GB over the time that Pete has been here.

 

[jmahon316]

At some point you have to stop being shocked.

Carroll is not going to change. Neither is JS. And neither will the results.

We will never turn this team into the Green Bay Northwest that would probably be much more enjoyable to watch and yield better results. Russell will never be unshackled or even our primary offensive threat in the first 3 quarters. We will run the ball into stacked boxes because that is what we do and who we are.

We are a wildcard team that occasionally, but rarely, misses the playoffs. No better, no worse.

Ever since we lost the SuperBowl we have been a wildcard team.

Carroll has a system that allows us to continue to barely make the playoffs even with the tremendous loss of talent we have experienced. So we get that.

It has been a little more than half a decade since that loss. And the only major changes are that we are switching out great players for average players. For the most part.

We are still going to win plenty of games. We won't win the division and we won't challenge for anything in the playoffs. We MIGHT win a wildcard game, which has about the same % chance of happening as us missing the wildcard game entirely.

But even though we could be scoring more, we won't. Even though we don't have a great or even a good defense, we will still lean on it. Because it results in more wins than losses and Pete is more concerned with ramrodding his philosophy in than getting better results with the resources we have.

So that is the reality. He hasn't changed. He won't change. And while this team could do better, it could also do worse.

I read what you said, and I have this to counter. If the best we can expect is a winning season almost every year, are we all okay with that? Despite our history beyond Carroll as HC, are we all okay with just being a one-and-done playoffs team? Or would we know we could be BETTER THAN THAT, to the point where we could hold the team to a higher standard and NOT accept bullshit because "Hey, at least we won 10 games this season". At the end of the day, winning seasons doesn't make a legacy team -- superbowls do. I'm so sick of settling because "It could be worse". I'm all about "what could we do better to enhance the wins" instead of "what do we need to do to barely be a winning team and be grateful for that because of our past"

Edit: I will share with you a real-life event that happened 2 years ago as a Seahawks fan. A co-worker asked me why I was so downtrodden one day, and I told him because the 'Hawks lost a game that was SO EASILY WINNABLE. He told me that's similar to a worst fear a parent can have (he's a parent of 2 boys and 1 girl), to know the potential they have and to be disappointed because they didn't utilize it to their full potential. Granted, I know these are two separate things, but in that instance I semi-understood because I KNOW the Seahawks could be SO MUCH BETTER than they CURRENTLY ARE, but they REFUSE TO BE SUCH REGARDLESS OF WHY OR HOW.

 

[Chapow]

That is some top shelf analysis.

"I didn't like that the first 4 plays weren't successful, therefore the Saints returning a punt for a TD was well deserved."

Brilliant stuff, and makes his twitter handle "new-age analytical" terribly ironic.

 

[TwistedHusky]

I don't think you can look at the talent on the team and argue we are better or even equal to the talent on what will be the other division winners. So I don't think you can argue that we are not producing enough with the talent we have. You used to be able to argue that - but getting to the wildcard with this pool of talent will actually be exceeding reasonable projections.

In terms of talent, we are probably average. Wildcard visits are about what average teams do.