Five possible destinations for Geno Smith

[Maelstrom787]

Not doing this with you anymore. We don't like each other, I'm good with that.


Go Hawks

I'm just asking. You're saying that there's lecturing going on and Russ denial. I'm just trying to continue the topic. Who is doing that?

 

[pittpnthrs]

You're saying Russ had nothing to do with Schottenheimer's dismissal, and I am posting a reputable Seahawks source who refutes that. Nothing more. Dugar (The Athletic) also reported about the disagreements Russell had with both Carroll and Schottenheimer about the offense after the 2021 Cardinals matchup.

Russ might not have commanded it from on high and been immediately granted his request while everyone else protested, sure. But he was the franchise quarterback who we, at the time, could not get rid of. He obviously had influence.

There's a million reputable sources though. I told you I could post a bunch that denies Wilson having that much influence. If Russ had a disagreement with Schotty, it was likely due to him also knowing the chunk plays were being overused and he was being set up to fail when the defenses were planning for them.

 

[Seahawker]

Yup. A great QB is a great QB. The coordinator can help, but to act like it's mainly because of the OC is just silly.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Would LOVE to have Stroud on this team. They got a good one.

 

[chris98251]

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Who in the hell is Sam Block?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly. I don't take any news seriously unless it comes from the great Sam Block.

 

[Maelstrom787]

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This doesn't even make sense. Herberts 2024 blew the doors off of Strouds. Hurts over Love is also super debatable.

 

[Ozzy]

You're saying Russ had nothing to do with Schottenheimer's dismissal, and I am posting a reputable Seahawks source who refutes that. Nothing more. Dugar (The Athletic) also reported about the disagreements Russell had with both Carroll and Schottenheimer about the offense after the 2021 Cardinals matchup.

Russ might not have commanded it from on high and been immediately granted his request while everyone else protested, sure. But he was the franchise quarterback who we, at the time, could not get rid of. He obviously had influence.

I have a source close to the team and I’m fairly confident that Russ was not the reason Schottg walked away. I believe him and Pete didn’t see eye to eye on how the offense should go.

Schotty and Russ continued to be close friends after he left Seattle. Do you think that’s tue case if Russ secretly wanted him fired? It’s much more likely it was Pete, not Russ. Russ and Schotty are still close friends in fact. A lot of people see Oete as doing no wrong so it’s easy to attach it to Russ and not Pete.

 

[Ozzy]

Who is denying Russ in the past page of replies, and who is lecturing who?

Multiple people have said Russ was wildly overrated, just ran around, only throw the deep ball, was carried by the team etc. it’s repeated all the time on here. I seriously doubt you don’t see it.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Exactly. I don't take any news seriously unless it comes from the great Sam Block.

I'm a fan of Sam Block. We call ourselves Blockheads.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Block On!

 

[keasley45]

You do realize the no (zero) OC's under Pete was ever offered a head coaching job and your bringing up Schotty leaving as a by product of Wilson. It had nothing to do with Russ. Schotty wanted to run his offense and Pete's interference was too much, so he left. Pretty simple.

As for the Russ days, no I don't think he was the only reason the team was good, but there were plenty of times where he willed wins when Pete's awful game plans were stinking up the place. You know that though. Also, that one year where Wilson didn't have that top 10 run game, how did he do? I'd love to see Geno try and replicate that season.

Klingsbury was a total failure in Arizona and now he's some messiah in Washington. Wonder why?

I'm aware that football has multiple factors, but having a QB that has that special "IT" goes along way. Seattle doesn't.

Klingsbury failed as a HC, not as a playcaller. You refuting what he has done in Washington flies in the face of just about every analysis that has been done of the commanders and their success this year.

Your elevating Daniels as if he has resurrected the franchise all on his own also entirely ignores how they revamped their o line and replaced their o line coach. Tyler Biadasz, Nick Allegretti and Andrew Wylie have been key additions that turned a line that allowed 65 sacks the year before into a top 10 run and pass blocking group. And they addressed G and center on a budget, using the exact formula that JS gets crucified for.

How can an OC that called plays in Seattle while Russ was here ever get a HC gug when if you ever look at his tape, none pf what he actually calls gets run.

You keep blaming Pete for meddling... comical. Was he also meddling when Russ refused to run Waldron's playbook? If he was, why did he all of a sudden become entirely supportive of it when Geno became qb?

Russ vetoed the plays. Russ ignored the plays. And Russ wantes to throw his way to success, not Schotty. Schotty was never a pass heavy playcaller. His first 2 years in Seattle, we had outstanding running games. We were balancedand Russ played his best ball ever. But JS didnt want Russ. Russ and his agent got upset. Russ started wanting to prove his worth and gave anyone who wanted to hold him back the metaphorical 'middle finger'. Hence his criticizing the offense, his blocking, and the teams lack of weapons, going so far as to lobby for Antonio Brown. Schotty wasnt going to be told his offense was too conservative when 70% of the time, it wasnt run. And Russ couldnt handle being held accountable. PC sided with Russ and gave him a different OC who is think they both knew would be the opposite of the more hardnosed Schotty and allow Russ the 'input' he craved in crafting an offense with the OC.

As for the J Daniels, i'd trade DK, Geno, Walker and a 1st round pick for him. But he isnt the only reason Washington is where they are.

If he was drafted by RRivera and played under Bienemy, the Commanders arent sniffing the playoffs.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Nice tweet. I can post 100 sites that differ from it, but people will believe what they want. This tweet is basically saying Russ controlled the franchise (some of you actually believe that). The real reason is Schotty called too many chunk plays when defenses figured it out and wouldn't adapt.

Why Seahawks moved on from offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer

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[OrangeGravy]

There's a million reputable sources though. I told you I could post a bunch that denies Wilson having that much influence. If Russ had a disagreement with Schotty, it was likely due to him also knowing the chunk plays were being overused and he was being set up to fail when the defenses were planning for them.

Post them

 

[keasley45]

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Watch the tape. Schottenheimer was never part of a bomb or bust offense before Seattle and he hasnt been part of one since. Russ, on the other hand was hero ball dude before, during and after Schotty.

But it was Schotty who did it?

He didnt call a bomb or bust offense in Seattle. Watch any game in 2020 and you will see wrs running open on shallow or middle routes. Russ wasnt anymore capable of hitting them then than he is now. Its checkdown or big blay, and these days with him, its more often, checkdown.

 

[SuperSonic67]

Not doing this with you anymore. We don't like each other, I'm good with that.


Go Hawks

Can’t you pm others on here? Good Lord…passive aggressive much?

 

[JayhawkMike]

IF all it takes is a great OC then we really need to hire one and ditch Geno and his huge contract and go with Howell, Zach Wilson or a Rookie. I am being told it is all the OC!

 

[pittpnthrs]

IF all it takes is a great OC then we really need to hire one and ditch Geno and his huge contract and go with Howell, Zach Wilson or a Rookie. I am being told it is all the OC!

That's what i'm hearing too. Also, apparently Wilson had more power and say than the coordinators and the head coach.

 

[Maelstrom787]

IF all it takes is a great OC then we really need to hire one and ditch Geno and his huge contract and go with Howell, Zach Wilson or a Rookie. I am being told it is all the OC!

That's what i'm hearing too. Also, apparently Wilson had more power and say than the coordinators and the head coach.

There is no way to hold any level of good faith discussion with obtuse strawman stuff like this.

To Jay's OC comment - circumstantially believing that most of our offensive ills were due to a sloppy system implemented by an overmatched OC who was not pro ready does NOT mean that people are saying that "all it takes to win is a great OC."

That sort of jump takes us from arguing against a point to inventing a much more silly point and then arguing against that instead. Its literally arguing against an invented boogeyman.

Saying something like "Geno isnt the problem" is not the same thing as saying "Grubb is the only problem" or "Geno is perfect." Acting like it is the same thing is just dishonest.

To Pitt - I don't know if anyone is saying that Wilson had MORE power than the coordinators and/or head coach. He wouldn't have gotten laughed out of the room when he made line-in-the-sand demands. Still, he was untradeable and teetering on disgruntled. He obviously had sway.

 

[flv2]

The Seahawks traded Wilson in March 2022. They definitely could have traded him at least 1 year earlier. The cap situation would not have significantly impeded a trade. The Eagles trading Wentz to the Colts had a greater cap impact than a potential 2021 Wilson trade. There was a trade offer from the Bears that some fans considered to be fair. Not trading Wilson was a choice, as was trading him a year later.