Everyone says how the Bengals O-line is worst than the Seaha

[John63]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You heard it here first, folks.

The best pass blocking offensive line in the league is below average at pass blocking.

This is where we end up when we blindly twist stats to fit our own narratives. We end up in the upside down, with completely incorrect ideas and results.

John63 here is actually calling the consensus best pass blocking line in the league below average, solely because he cannot admit that his TTT/TTP statistic doesn't measure offensive line performance like he thinks it does.

What a farce.

Also, he's posted the same exact phrase, verbatim, 4 times. He's literally spamming.

 

[John63]

And again you have an oline that is not even avg, ranked 25th even below Cincy an oline who gave up one of the higher und pressure rates in the NFL. And is below avg in giving up pressure in under 2.5 seconds

Now lets add more From Footballoutsiders



Wilson didn't make this list a year ago, but he's here a few months after voicing his frustration with "getting hit too much," and, well, the numbers tell us he has a case. Of the top passers on this list, no one endured a faster average time to sack than Wilson"

And on that list Lord Rodgers.

Now let's do more, and again avg oline should hold for 2.5 seconds

Seahawks
Time to pass or pressure 2.4
Sacks 33
Knock Downs 41
Hurried 49
Hit 25


This means Wilson was hit, hurried, sacked, or knocked down on over 37% of his pass attempts Top 5 in the league. With a whopping 72% within the 2.5-second avg mark.

While I will always and have said many factors go into a hit, hurry, sack or pressure:

Line
Rb
Wr
Te
Qb
Down and distance
Play call

Also estimated Wilson's agility and mobility have saved on avg 1.8 sacks per game or 25 jus this past season alone.

Of these far and away the biggest culprit is the oline.

That said if the last 2 games are any indicator we may have addressed the play call. Now we need to address the oline, started with a new coach, Kind of, now let's get some real olineman that can pass block and run block. And hope the system we used in the last games is what we do.

 

[Throwdown]

And again you have an oline that is not even avg, ranked 25th even below Cincy an oline who gave up one of the higher und pressure rates in the NFL. And is below avg in giving up pressure in under 2.5 seconds

Now lets add more From Footballoutsiders



Wilson didn't make this list a year ago, but he's here a few months after voicing his frustration with "getting hit too much," and, well, the numbers tell us he has a case. Of the top passers on this list, no one endured a faster average time to sack than Wilson"

And on that list Lord Rodgers.

Now let's do more, and again avg oline should hold for 2.5 seconds

Seahawks
Time to pass or pressure 2.4
Sacks 33
Knock Downs 41
Hurried 49
Hit 25


This means Wilson was hit, hurried, sacked, or knocked down on over 37% of his pass attempts Top 5 in the league. With a whopping 72% within the 2.5-second avg mark.

While I will always and have said many factors go into a hit, hurry, sack or pressure:

Line
Rb
Wr
Te
Qb
Down and distance
Play call

Also estimated Wilson's agility and mobility have saved on avg 1.8 sacks per game or 25 jus this past season alone.

Of these far and away the biggest culprit is the oline.

That said if the last 2 games are any indicator we may have addressed the play call. Now we need to address the oline, started with a new coach, Kind of, now let's get some real olineman that can pass block and run block. And hope the system we used in the last games is what we do.

Lmfao you’re gonna tell us that he’s not at fault at all? He doesn’t bail out of clean pockets? He doesn’t sack himself?

You don’t watch the games do you?

 

[John63]

oh and let's remember the Bengals Olien was ranked higher than ours in the PFF list.

 

[Maelstrom787]

oh and let's remember the Bengals Olien was ranked higher than ours in the PFF list.

You don't believe in PFF grades, though. They're saying Kansas City's line is near perfect, but their quarterbacks TTT/TTP is 2.4 seconds. That's below average, remember?

 

[John63]

oh and let's remember the Bengals Olien was ranked higher than ours in the PFF list.

You don't believe in PFF grades, though. They're saying Kansas City's line is near perfect, but their quarterbacks TTT/TTP is 2.4 seconds. That's below average, remember?

Well let's try this again since you are playing dense or maybe not playing just is dense

Time to throw or pressure is the number. That means the Qb is getting rid of the ball in 2.4 seconds or he is getting pressured in 2.4 seconds. avg is 2.5. so in that regards KC is below avg. However, when taking into account PFF and several others I have shown it becomes factually obvious that KC has many more passes able to be thrown before the pressure gets there. While the Haws have fewer thrown before the pressure gets there and given that pressure is getting there in what is considered below avg for an oline it shows the Hawks oline is bad. Which is factually supported by all the other info and sites I have provided.

 

[Scorpion05]

The O-lines are not different by much. There's two major differences. Three actually:

- Burrow can get sacked 10 times. They'll still stay aggressive and pass the ball on offense. The Seahawks will immediately switch to the run game and limit Russ' pass attempts if he's sacked that much.

- The Bengals are built around their QB, not the run game. So pass protection will occasionally look better. And there's a larger emphasis on having weapons all over the field that are more than deep threats.


- Third, and this is the most important one. The Bengals fan base largely cares DEEPLY about Burrow, in a way that Seahawks fans have never collectively been for Russ. That fan base will start a riot if there isn't serious investment in the O-line. It would not surprise me if the front office drafts O-line for their first 3 picks this year, which is something this front office would never do.


There could be a lot of reasons why the Bengals fan base values Burrow so deeply. It could be likeability, the fact that they're a starved fan base, that he's tall, white, less robotic, less "hollywood," etc. Who knows. I just know that getting people to have compassion for building OL around Russ on this forum and elsewhere has been like pulling teeth. There's always been a callous attitude to giving Russ a great OL, fan base has been split on this for a while. We were the lowest spending team on O-line for years. That should have been a priority since 2015.

 

[Scorpion05]

Two words. QB play.

Burrow is a better quick game QB than Wilson. Wilson’s sack fumble against the Cards was his failure in quick game execution.

The QB has a lot to do with the performance of the OL, and when your QB tends to see the field deep to short, your OL is going to be impacted.

This is not to say Joe Burrow is better than Wilson. I’m not trying to wade into those waters. But the style in which they play is different. Burrow is on the Brady-Manning-Ryan spectrum of QBs and he helps mitigate deficiencies on the OL with quick execution. Wilson’s improvisational style and favoring of shot plays negatively impacts the OL.

Pass blocking (or even run blocking) is not a “who has the best bodies” on the line. There’s a lot of chemistry between the 5 OL, the QB, and even the RB that makes it work.

Excellent post. Agree 100%

Our OL provided Wilson with above average pocket time, sure was more than Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brady. But Wilson suffered the highest QB pressure. Easy translation, our QB didn't rid the ball like the Brady bunch. Some said Big Ben, Rodgers and Brady will suffer playing with our OL, may be, but may be our OL could also rank higher protecting the Brady bunch.

This is how I know some of you don't really watch Bengals games. Joe Burrow is my second favorite QB in the league. He is absolutely NOT a quick game QB :rofl:

He holds onto the ball and throws it deep. Rodgers gets rid of the ball a bit more quickly in the last two years (2.6 seconds), but Russ is around the same time. Brady gets rid of the ball quickly but he struggles if the pressure is consistent because he also holds the ball for the big plays to Evans, AB, etc.

You all would hate Josh Allen. He holds the ball more than anyone and while he is very mobile, he doesn't have the lateral quickness and agility of a Lamar Jackson. So his O-line is absolutely protecting him and when they don't, he looks a lot like he did in the Steelers game.