ESPN article on Should Baldwin have kneeled?

[Shanegotyou11]

I read a article on ESPN.com and idk where it went but I'll sum it up.

"Baldwin could of kneeled at the 1 and gave redskins no time left for a Blair Walsh game winning fg. (Redskins would of had around 20seconds) That would of gave the hawks a 98% win probability. Now Walsh was 0-3 and Baldwin would of been screamed at but it'd of been the right play."

Thoughts? I thought this just briefly before Baldwin scampered in. However you should always take sure points.


Thoughts?

 

[Seymour]

Since Baldwin did not know the outcome of the game, there is no reason to think this way. That is stupid hindsight that never would happen in the NFL.
This fantasy thing is going way too far.

If he did this in reality, he would be getting ripped by everyone. Nobody gave the Skins a shot on that final drive besides the LOB.

 

[DJrmb]

If you know the outcome of a game you can almost always go back and craft a perfect scenario for a sure win, or make improvements on decisions. The defense had been playing lights out. Without knowing the future outcome the right move was to score the TD there in the moment.

 

[Rat]

Yes, it would have been better in hindsite (probably), but that's a moronic decision in the moment.

 

[chawx]

In Madden, yes, if I was controlling Baldwin I would have taken a knee at the 1 and let Blair redeem himself... in real life? I mean, come on, our defense was money all game—if he does that, and Blair misses the chip shot, we're calling for Baldwin's head and the entire D would have been on him for not trusting them.

 

[Reaneypark]

No. There is no better sure way of taking the lead you need in a game then crossing the goal line when you have uncontested access. You should always take the lead when you can rather than rely on an unknown outcome. This is a silly, stupid argument.

 

[THE TABS]

Horrible take. Makes Skip Bayless look like Bob Costas.

Paralysis by analysis, small minded second guessing micro management. Wouldn’t wipe my backside with a copy of that article.

 

[seahawkfreak]

Yeah well that is not how you play football. Guys making this type of analysis probably have never played sports. You never pass up a touchdown for some head up your own ass theory. Opportunities are few and far between. The touchdown was automatic (in this situation), a field goal is not no matter how short it is. The defense should have prevented the last score and to play like they were not going to would have been asinine.

 

[Steve2222]

Since Baldwin did not know the outcome of the game, there is no reason to think this way. That is stupid hindsight that never would happen in the NFL.
This fantasy thing is going way too far.

If he did this in reality, he would be getting ripped by everyone. Nobody gave the Skins a shot on that final drive besides the LOB.

This scenario actually has happened a few times. Off memory, most recently in the Giants vs Patriots Super Bowl Part 2. Late in the game Ahmad Bradshaw broke a big run late in the game and purposely stopped short of the goal line to kill clock.

But I agree with you. There was no way of seeing the epic collapse of the Seahawks D.

 

[seahawkfreak]

Since Baldwin did not know the outcome of the game, there is no reason to think this way. That is stupid hindsight that never would happen in the NFL.
This fantasy thing is going way too far.

If he did this in reality, he would be getting ripped by everyone. Nobody gave the Skins a shot on that final drive besides the LOB.

This scenario actually has happened a few times. Off memory, most recently in the Giants vs Patriots Super Bowl Part 2. Late in the game Ahmad Bradshaw broke a big run late in the game and purposely stopped short of the goal line to kill clock.

But I agree with you. There was no way of seeing the epic collapse of the Seahawks D.

Well he still scored the TD. Bradshaw attempted to take a knee, which was stupid but his momentum carried him into the endzone and the Giants scored. Giants D then went on to hold on and the Giants won the SB.

Can you imagine if he did take a knee and the Patriots forced the Giants to kick a field goal and they miss. It would have been a worse ending than our SB.

This the only time that it almost happened that I can think of. I'd be interested if there were others.

 

[Seafan]

I support all the Hawks who wish to kneel.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

I understand the conventional wisdom, but I don't see why it's such a dumb argument to everyone. It seems statistically it's the smarter play.

The field goal % at 1 yard line is ~99% league wide. It's pretty much is a guarantee which is why the NFL bumped back the yardage with the extra point. The scoring percentage the Redskins in their situation last Sunday had to been better than 1-2%. That goes for any team, even the Browns.

The only counter argument seems to be how people would react to the 1-2% chance it goes bad, even if there's a higher % that the opposing team is scoring and winning anyways.

 

[sutz]

And if we'd kicked the two extra points instead of trying for two and failing twice, maybe the game would have been tied after the final Wash TD.

You can play that game a lot of ways. :229031_shrug:

 

[seahawkfreak]

I understand the conventional wisdom, but I don't see why it's such a dumb argument to everyone. It seems statistically it's the smarter play.

The field goal % at 1 yard line is ~99% league wide. It's pretty much is a guarantee which is why the NFL bumped back the yardage with the extra point. The scoring percentage the Redskins in their situation last Sunday had to been better than 1-2%. That goes for any team, even the Browns.

The only counter argument seems to be how people would react to the 1-2% chance it goes bad, even if there's a higher % that the opposing team is scoring and winning anyways.

Lets just say the manipulation is foolish and way to many variables could go wrong. You take the 100% TD.

 

[peppersjap]

In hind sight it is a great plan but no way he should have done that. I am not a huge fan of Doug Baldwin because of some of his outbursts but I'm an incredible fan of him for what he does on the field. I used to think he was our Bobby Engram but what he does on the field is sensational. I would now compare him more towards Largent than Engram. As I said, I haven't been a fan but he is fantastic!!!

 

[onanygivensunday]

And if we'd kicked the two extra points instead of trying for two and failing twice, maybe the game would have been tied after the final Wash TD.

You can play that game a lot of ways. :229031_shrug:

We're currently not a team that does well on short yardage situations so I cringe each time Pete decides to go for a 2-point conversion early in the game.

Take the one point and move on. Going for two should be limited to only the 4th quarter.

Also, a side benefit... let Walsh kick the extra point and re-gain some confidence.

 

[mrt144]

I think the answer is maybe but that's asking a football player who is trained to go for TDs to not. And among all the situations where that has helped I think there are like 2 or 3 cases where a player took a knee at the 1 instead of scoring. In the history of football. It's just not one of those likely things to happen among football players and expecting it, even a little defies history.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I found it pretty funny that the media didn't talk much at all about Josh Norman getting OWNED by Doug on that touchdown. If that was Sherm, they would have spent hours on it. Norman is good, but gets beat like the rest of them.

 

[MarylandHawk]

Atlanta 2012

 

[seahawkfreak]

Atlanta 2012

Soooo, we should have kneeled at the 1 yard line? Lot of people are pissed we tried to waste time scoring in SB 49.