Dougs tweet has hawks twitter fired up!!!

[getnasty]

For as great as Russ is i don't think teammates go to war for Russ like they do other elite guys. Just never seems like the kind of guy that gets your fired up to me. No evidence behind this at all.

 

[John63]

Unless this all stems from those rumors awhile ago that Russ was above criticism, too close to the FO, etc and the locker room didn’t like that. So now that’s he’s upset with them and looking to leave, they’re laughing/saying told you so?

This 30 for 30 in 10 years talking about the Seahawks after the Pats SB loss will be must watch TV haha

It wasn't just that he was above criticism. Didn't Russell ask Pete to stop allowing the defense to talk smack to him in practice? There was an article about that the year Sherman left. At the time, I thought it was just sour grapes, but a lot of their complaints have seemingly come true.

For example, they said Russ cared more about his brand than the team. They said if he didn't get his way, he would go behind your back and tell on you. The whole article frames Russell as the problem with Pete enabling his diva-like behavior. It was all laughable at the time, but the fact that it's even somewhat relevant today is crazy. I always thought Sherman was the problem. Now, I'm not so sure. That 30-30 needs to be made tomorrow. I can't wait 10 years for the potential Wilson heel-turn.

Okay more made up stuff. There is nothing showing Wilson ever asked that all, as Sherman has said he talked crap to everyone. As to all these things you said they said provide links because some of them I never heard or read. IN fact Bennett Wrote a book where he said all that was not true, as it relates to him, and he was supposedly one of the ones who said.

All that aside the fact you " I can't wait 10 years for the potential Wilson heel-turn" What if we find out it is not a Wilson he'll turn but a Sherman heel turn, and he just put words in others mouths since we have not heard it form anyone but him.

Have you been living under a rock for the last decade of Seahawks football? I haven't read the article in years, but I was fairly accurate in my recollection. Bennett is hardly mentioned in the article, and people have speculated that it was Sherman and Baldwin who were the unnamed sources. There's also a Seth Wickersomething article floating around that provides more insight into the situation. Here are a few highlights:

Some also dispute that Wilson puts in the work necessary to earn his status with the team and in NFL at large, believing he has prioritized his business interests over football.

When McDaniel arrived in Seattle in ’13, he went to dinner with several defensive players and asked them why things seemed off between the defense and the quarterback. He was told by those players to be careful speaking frankly when Wilson was around, because they believed what they said could wind up on Carroll’s desk.

Carroll gathered his offensive and defensive leaders and told them they needed to protect Wilson, to treat him more gently than they would their other teammates.

“He protected him,” one Seahawk says. “And we hated that. Any time he f----- up, Pete would never say anything. Not in a team meeting, not publicly, never. If Russ had a terrible game, he would always talk about how resilient he was. We’re like, what the f--- are you talking about?”

Avril continues, “at one point we were allowed, people were allowed to talk trash to him.” Then, after 2014, they weren’t.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/seatt ... te-carroll

What I love most is every t8me something really bad is sad about Wilson its.a not named player. Laughable as hell.to me.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

It wasn't just that he was above criticism. Didn't Russell ask Pete to stop allowing the defense to talk smack to him in practice? There was an article about that the year Sherman left. At the time, I thought it was just sour grapes, but a lot of their complaints have seemingly come true.

For example, they said Russ cared more about his brand than the team. They said if he didn't get his way, he would go behind your back and tell on you. The whole article frames Russell as the problem with Pete enabling his diva-like behavior. It was all laughable at the time, but the fact that it's even somewhat relevant today is crazy. I always thought Sherman was the problem. Now, I'm not so sure. That 30-30 needs to be made tomorrow. I can't wait 10 years for the potential Wilson heel-turn.

Okay more made up stuff. There is nothing showing Wilson ever asked that all, as Sherman has said he talked crap to everyone. As to all these things you said they said provide links because some of them I never heard or read. IN fact Bennett Wrote a book where he said all that was not true, as it relates to him, and he was supposedly one of the ones who said.

All that aside the fact you " I can't wait 10 years for the potential Wilson heel-turn" What if we find out it is not a Wilson he'll turn but a Sherman heel turn, and he just put words in others mouths since we have not heard it form anyone but him.

Have you been living under a rock for the last decade of Seahawks football? I haven't read the article in years, but I was fairly accurate in my recollection. Bennett is hardly mentioned in the article, and people have speculated that it was Sherman and Baldwin who were the unnamed sources. There's also a Seth Wickersomething article floating around that provides more insight into the situation. Here are a few highlights:

Some also dispute that Wilson puts in the work necessary to earn his status with the team and in NFL at large, believing he has prioritized his business interests over football.

When McDaniel arrived in Seattle in ’13, he went to dinner with several defensive players and asked them why things seemed off between the defense and the quarterback. He was told by those players to be careful speaking frankly when Wilson was around, because they believed what they said could wind up on Carroll’s desk.

Carroll gathered his offensive and defensive leaders and told them they needed to protect Wilson, to treat him more gently than they would their other teammates.

“He protected him,” one Seahawk says. “And we hated that. Any time he f----- up, Pete would never say anything. Not in a team meeting, not publicly, never. If Russ had a terrible game, he would always talk about how resilient he was. We’re like, what the f--- are you talking about?”

Avril continues, “at one point we were allowed, people were allowed to talk trash to him.” Then, after 2014, they weren’t.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/seatt ... te-carroll

What I love most is every t8me something really bad is sad about Wilson its.a not named player. Laughable as hell.to me.

Avril and mcdonald were quoted.

 

[toffee]

After his retirement Angry only thanked one QB for helping his career, it wasn't Russ.

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[UK_Seahawk]

Avril does a lot of work on the UK based nfl channel. He adores the seahawks. You can tell there is a real love for the organisation and Pete Carroll. I'd believe anything he says.

 

[Seanhawk]

This is so stupid. This post could be about anything. If it is about Russ, then as someone said earlier, say what you mean. Don't post some lame, vague, passive aggressive, cowardly BS.

 

[HawkinNY]

A new head coach makes more sense. Someone who knows the West Coast offense of Steve Young or current KC runs. RW is perfect for that style of offense. I am not a fan of his per se, Wilson that is, but the draft choices just are not worth a top 10 QB. You MUST get a QB back, plus at least 2 middle to high firsts possible. If you get no QB , you may as well retire the core and begin again. I know that isn't going to happen, but if it doesn't the best scenario is RW as a Hawk.

Russ can’t run the west coast. He has trouble seeing the middle of the field. How many open TE’s and receivers has he missed over the middle. Where he didn’t even through it. He needs lanes in his line open to see them. So it’s a designed type of play. Taller QB’s would do better in the WCO.


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[BleuEyedHawk]

Cliff Avril was on Espn national radio today talking about the situation. He said guys were jealous that Pete and the front office gave Russ special treatment. He said it didn't bother him but some guys just couldn't get over it. He also talked about Pete like he was the best of the best, seemed like he had tons of love for Pete. Not saying he didn't for Russ but he seemed definitely more on the Pete bandwagon to me.

Two more articles relating to the locker room and team chemistry:

https://www.businessinsider.com/russell ... wks-2017-5

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/279 ... ell-wilson


Richard Sherman remains one of my favorite Seahawk players. I was disappointed when he was pushed out but I understood that they wanted to make the Seahawks "Russ's team".

For a lot of good it did.

I attributed the chasm to Sherman's outspokenness, but maybe there's more truth than originally believed? Russ seems to be the problem not the other players.

 

[SarG3Hawk]

I love Russ and everything he’s done for the organization, community, etc. Its hard to see him being a problem but I also can totally understand that he may be one of the more polarizing players on the team and maybe the league. I can see how some teammates may see him as not very genuine. He seems like that guy who’s kind of a teachers pet and wants to make himself look perfect regardless of how it may affect others. I believe he’s a crazy competitor and has real ambition to get where he wants regardless of the toes he has to step on to get there.
Like someone else said, I see all of this as him trying to protect his image and himself from being called out by others or the media. All the malcontents have been shown the door. We still have similar rumblings to before. Offense still has slow starts and plays being left on the field.

Pete gets a lot of flack for all the control he exerts over the offense. We won’t really know who’s the problem until one of them goes. However even before Russell the Seahawks showed potential and played hard. Who’s to say that they won’t do that with another QB. Maybe we don’t need a elite QB that always looks for the home run. Maybe a great QB who goes through his progressions and hits players in stride how the play is designed. Russell has saved us on a lot of improv but also has left a bunch of plays out there due to him always trying to be the hero. I can see why his receivers might be upset with him due to them practicing certain plays and working on their craft all week. Come Sunday they do what they need to do and might be wide open but get left out there sucking air because Wilson decided to do a pirouette when he had a clean pocket and missing them. Is it the height or him just wanting more from the play, who knows until wilson drops the facade and really opens up.

Reminds me of the Russell Wilson is a robot thing. Funny at the time but looking more and more like that’s what he wants to come across. He wants to be perfect and not have a stain on his armor. People like Doug and Sherm can see right through that act.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

A new head coach makes more sense. Someone who knows the West Coast offense of Steve Young or current KC runs. RW is perfect for that style of offense. I am not a fan of his per se, Wilson that is, but the draft choices just are not worth a top 10 QB. You MUST get a QB back, plus at least 2 middle to high firsts possible. If you get no QB , you may as well retire the core and begin again. I know that isn't going to happen, but if it doesn't the best scenario is RW as a Hawk.

Russ can’t run the west coast. He has trouble seeing the middle of the field. How many open TE’s and receivers has he missed over the middle. Where he didn’t even through it. He needs lanes in his line open to see them. So it’s a designed type of play. Taller QB’s would do better in the WCO.


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Yup you nailed it! Let’s hope teams are willing to pony up more than 3 round 1 picks!

 

[ducks41468]

Why don't these guys just say what they mean? I don't get why they just play coy.

Seriously. Grown ass men acting like 13 year old girls. If you have something to say, say it

 

[ducks41468]

This is so stupid. This post could be about anything. If it is about Russ, then as someone said earlier, say what you mean. Don't post some lame, vague, passive aggressive, cowardly BS.

Yep, and if you have the audacity to ask for clarification you'll get a snide "don't worry about it" or "IYKYK."

 

[John63]

A new head coach makes more sense. Someone who knows the West Coast offense of Steve Young or current KC runs. RW is perfect for that style of offense. I am not a fan of his per se, Wilson that is, but the draft choices just are not worth a top 10 QB. You MUST get a QB back, plus at least 2 middle to high firsts possible. If you get no QB , you may as well retire the core and begin again. I know that isn't going to happen, but if it doesn't the best scenario is RW as a Hawk.

Russ can’t run the west coast. He has trouble seeing the middle of the field. How many open TE’s and receivers has he missed over the middle. Where he didn’t even through it. He needs lanes in his line open to see them. So it’s a designed type of play. Taller QB’s would do better in the WCO.


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Okay proof he can't run it? Just because in your mind he supposedly missed these open people does not mean he did not see them. Let me remind you at least 4 of his ints were off receivers hands in the middle of the field. I just love how people say a player cant do something but provide end Proof of it at all. and then the vultures circle agreeing. Again we have seen him throw over the middle alot, in 2015 he made hay over the middle.

 

[hawkfan68]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DougBaldwinJr/status/1365051848483241984[/tweet]

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oka and the point?

Go look at sherman and kearse tweet when this was all going down. Then go look at hawk fans in the replies.

Why would Kearse be upset with RW? RW threw the ball to Kearse more than should have. Remember the time RW kept throwing passes to Kearse but Kearse had hands of stone....that game where Kearse couldn’t catch a cold if he tried? Yet Russ kept throwing it to him. Kearse’s career died the day he left the Seahawks...why? He didn’t have RW throwing him passes. I highly doubt Kearse was talking about Russ. I don’t believe Kearse is stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him.

 

[John63]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DougBaldwinJr/status/1365051848483241984[/tweet]

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oka and the point?

Go look at sherman and kearse tweet when this was all going down. Then go look at hawk fans in the replies.

Why would Kearse be upset with RW? RW threw the ball to Kearse more than should have. Remember the time RW kept throwing passes to Kearse but Kearse had hands of stone....that game where Kearse couldn’t catch a cold if he tried? Yet Russ kept throwing it to him. Kearse’s career died the day he left the Seahawks...why? He didn’t have RW throwing him passes. I highly doubt Kearse was talking about Russ. I don’t believe Kearse is stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him.

I thiink it is about this

"“I’m [going to] really miss Brennan not being part of our club because he and Nate have been really big factors because they’ll tell me stuff other guys won’t tell me,” Pete Carroll said last month. “They have always been really instrumental, and moving forward, I’m going to miss something there.”"

IF your sons who you will not fire are the only ones willing to stand up to you that's a problem.

then also "According to a report from TheAthletic.com, Wilson and those around him believe Carroll and his sons answer to no one." I hate using unsupported claims (meaning no direct Source), but I am betting this is other players as well. For a Coach who preaches accountability to answer to none is not good.

 

[pinksheets]

oka and the point?

Go look at sherman and kearse tweet when this was all going down. Then go look at hawk fans in the replies.

Why would Kearse be upset with RW? RW threw the ball to Kearse more than should have. Remember the time RW kept throwing passes to Kearse but Kearse had hands of stone....that game where Kearse couldn’t catch a cold if he tried? Yet Russ kept throwing it to him. Kearse’s career died the day he left the Seahawks...why? He didn’t have RW throwing him passes. I highly doubt Kearse was talking about Russ. I don’t believe Kearse is stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him.

I thiink it is about this

"“I’m [going to] really miss Brennan not being part of our club because he and Nate have been really big factors because they’ll tell me stuff other guys won’t tell me,” Pete Carroll said last month. “They have always been really instrumental, and moving forward, I’m going to miss something there.”"

IF your sons who you will not fire are the only ones willing to stand up to you that's a problem.

then also "According to a report from TheAthletic.com, Wilson and those around him believe Carroll and his sons answer to no one." I hate using unsupported claims (meaning no direct Source), but I am betting this is other players as well. For a Coach who preaches accountability to answer to none is not good.

Would you family tell you hard truths others in your life might not? That's literally all that quote is saying.

I'm not saying there aren't accountability issues with Pete right now, but using that quote either means you're lacking in reading comprehension or you're being intentionally disingenuous.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

oka and the point?

Go look at sherman and kearse tweet when this was all going down. Then go look at hawk fans in the replies.

Why would Kearse be upset with RW? RW threw the ball to Kearse more than should have. Remember the time RW kept throwing passes to Kearse but Kearse had hands of stone....that game where Kearse couldn’t catch a cold if he tried? Yet Russ kept throwing it to him. Kearse’s career died the day he left the Seahawks...why? He didn’t have RW throwing him passes. I highly doubt Kearse was talking about Russ. I don’t believe Kearse is stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him.

I thiink it is about this

"“I’m [going to] really miss Brennan not being part of our club because he and Nate have been really big factors because they’ll tell me stuff other guys won’t tell me,” Pete Carroll said last month. “They have always been really instrumental, and moving forward, I’m going to miss something there.”"

IF your sons who you will not fire are the only ones willing to stand up to you that's a problem.

then also "According to a report from TheAthletic.com, Wilson and those around him believe Carroll and his sons answer to no one." I hate using unsupported claims (meaning no direct Source), but I am betting this is other players as well. For a Coach who preaches accountability to answer to none is not good.

Uh you do realize Pete was propping up his Son so his Son’s resume will stand out! Pete is making sure his son’s Seahawk job his sons resume = big $$$$ for his grand kids.

 

[John63]

Go look at sherman and kearse tweet when this was all going down. Then go look at hawk fans in the replies.

Why would Kearse be upset with RW? RW threw the ball to Kearse more than should have. Remember the time RW kept throwing passes to Kearse but Kearse had hands of stone....that game where Kearse couldn’t catch a cold if he tried? Yet Russ kept throwing it to him. Kearse’s career died the day he left the Seahawks...why? He didn’t have RW throwing him passes. I highly doubt Kearse was talking about Russ. I don’t believe Kearse is stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him.

I thiink it is about this

"“I’m [going to] really miss Brennan not being part of our club because he and Nate have been really big factors because they’ll tell me stuff other guys won’t tell me,” Pete Carroll said last month. “They have always been really instrumental, and moving forward, I’m going to miss something there.”"

IF your sons who you will not fire are the only ones willing to stand up to you that's a problem.

then also "According to a report from TheAthletic.com, Wilson and those around him believe Carroll and his sons answer to no one." I hate using unsupported claims (meaning no direct Source), but I am betting this is other players as well. For a Coach who preaches accountability to answer to none is not good.

Would you family tell you hard truths others in your life might not? That's literally all that quote is saying.

I'm not saying there aren't accountability issues with Pete right now, but using that quote either means you're lacking in reading comprehension or you're being intentionally disingenuous.

Its saying they were the ones telling him things other wold not. Why would the other not, was it because he would not listen was it because they knew he would not listen. EH also says they were the only ones who would hold him accountable, really out of all you're coaching staff the only ones that would question you and hold you accountable is your sons. That says there is a control problem. For a guy who preaches accountability to only have his sons willing to do it says a lot.

 

[Fade]

A new head coach makes more sense. Someone who knows the West Coast offense of Steve Young or current KC runs. RW is perfect for that style of offense. I am not a fan of his per se, Wilson that is, but the draft choices just are not worth a top 10 QB. You MUST get a QB back, plus at least 2 middle to high firsts possible. If you get no QB , you may as well retire the core and begin again. I know that isn't going to happen, but if it doesn't the best scenario is RW as a Hawk.[/quote]Russ can’t run the west coast. He has trouble seeing the middle of the field. How many open TE’s and receivers has he missed over the middle. Where he didn’t even through it. He needs lanes in his line open to see them. So it’s a designed type of play. Taller QB’s would do better in the WCO.


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Wilson ran the west coast offense at NC State for 4 years, what are you talking about?

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Shane Waldron comes from the West Coast offense, so it looks like they hired the wrong guy. :shock:

 

[Scorpion05]

Unless this all stems from those rumors awhile ago that Russ was above criticism, too close to the FO, etc and the locker room didn’t like that. So now that’s he’s upset with them and looking to leave, they’re laughing/saying told you so?

This 30 for 30 in 10 years talking about the Seahawks after the Pats SB loss will be must watch TV haha

It wasn't just that he was above criticism. Didn't Russell ask Pete to stop allowing the defense to talk smack to him in practice? There was an article about that the year Sherman left. At the time, I thought it was just sour grapes, but a lot of their complaints have seemingly come true.

For example, they said Russ cared more about his brand than the team. They said if he didn't get his way, he would go behind your back and tell on you. The whole article frames Russell as the problem with Pete enabling his diva-like behavior. It was all laughable at the time, but the fact that it's even somewhat relevant today is crazy. I always thought Sherman was the problem. Now, I'm not so sure. That 30-30 needs to be made tomorrow. I can't wait 10 years for the potential Wilson heel-turn.

Did Sherman yell at Jimmy G? And tell him he sucks while throwing the ball at him?

Did Kearse yell at Sam Darnold? Would Baldwin have spoken to Matt Flynn that way?

Do you think the Bills defense trashes Josh Allen, or the Chargers defense trashes Justin Herbert? Do you think Mahomes is spoken that way? Brady? Peyton Manning?

This may ruffle some feathers, but these are the same "Russ isn't black enough" players in the locker room. It's hard for most of America to understand this, but there is something to a (black) locker room not liking "Carlton" like QBs. It happened to Donovan McNabb. They prefer "Will Smith" like QBs like Cam Newton, or Mike Vick, or even Watson. "Carlton" like Qbs behave just like their other QB peers around the league. Receiving the same level of coddling and protection. Somehow, they felt Wilson wasn't above them when a franchise QB ALWAYS is.

All Wilson wants is respect. Some people have to fight for respect in this world and some people are granted it immediately. He's not asking to be a GM or be in charge. He believes that he'll get that respect within the Bears, Raiders, or Saints organization. Not quite sure why he thinks that of Dallas.