Defense wins championships

[Hollandhawk]

Goes both ways. Some believe in geNO and some don't. Welcome to QB in the NFL. Hurts is busy winning the Super Bowl, making it twice in three years (And playing his a** off both playoff runs) and sizing his championship ring. Geno has NEVER been that guy and never will be.
Some are satisfied with average, some want more.

Didn't he get some award after the super bowl?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, and even Kurt Warner said that Hurts should have won it 2 years ago in a 3 point loss to KC in the SB. Hurts is one hell of a player, and flat out clutch.

 

[Rat]

You just pulled that out of thin air. No one claims Geno is elite, I've seen a lot of posts saying he sucks and get rid of him, which is pretty much just hate and petty reasoning.

I said Hurts isn't elite and you translated that to calling him a JAG being carried to success.

I said others put down Hurts to prop him up and you translated that to me calling him trash. I'm not the only one capable of hyperbolizing the opposing argument.

 

[Hollandhawk]

Yep, and even Kurt Warner said that Hurts should have won it 2 years ago in a 3 point loss to KC in the SB. Hurts is one hell of a player, and flat out clutch.

I mean Geno is pretty close to most of these stats..oh wait..

We came up with the 10 most mind-boggling Jalen Hurts Super Bowl stats

Putting into perspective some of the most mind-boggling stats registered by Super Bowl LIX MVP, Jalen Hurts.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

 

[Ozzy]

It's crazy to me that there are people on here who think Hurts is some JAG being carried to success. I was pulling for the Eagles on Sunday in a "screw the Chiefs" kind of way, but I've never rooted for Hurts. I hate Alabama so much that I was rooting for Michigan in their bowl game, I don't like Oklahoma either, and the Eagles are one of my least-favorite team's in the league. I still cannot deny that Hurts is damn good.

He had one dumb decision gambling on that deep ball that got picked, but aside from that, he was phenomenal. He showed incredible poise in the pocket, was throwing absolute dimes, knew when to run and was effective doing it. He steps up consistently when his team needs him.

He played 19 games this season and was responsible for 42 TDs and just 11 turnovers (six INTs, five fumbles). Some call him a system QB, but he has had a different OC nearly every season.

Some people are so desperate to prop up Geno that they have to pretend that a guy like Hurts isn't actually good, so they can be like "See? Any QB can win a championship with better pieces!".

Hurts is very, very good. It sucks, and he should be ours (damn you Russ and your no-trade clause), but it's true.

Yeah Hurts is a massive threat because of his running ability too and people don't factor that in enough on how it tilts the field. He's between 600-800 yards a year rushing and double digit touchdowns 4 straight years I think on the ground. It also opens up other things for your offense.

My guess is Macdonald in a perfect world would love a dual threat guy and the next guy will be one.

But back to defense as Sutz alluded to lol. I think this defense is so close to be elite. A player or two in the right areas and we will be among the leagues best, I have full confidence for the first time in YEARS that its a possibility for this team and that is exciting.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I mean Geno is pretty close to most of these stats..oh wait..

We came up with the 10 most mind-boggling Jalen Hurts Super Bowl stats

Putting into perspective some of the most mind-boggling stats registered by Super Bowl LIX MVP, Jalen Hurts.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

Yep. geNO is clearly on the same level as Super Bowl Champion Jalen Hurts

 

[Rat]

I'd say Hurts is probably the third-best QB in the NFC right now, behind only Purdy and Daniels. I think he's closer to Daniels at second than Stafford at fourth though. At the very least, he's worth the big money Philly is paying him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

A perfect example of how you don't have to have huge stats to be a great QB. People are WAY too hung up on stats and numbers. Making the plays that matter, TRULY what is more important.
Wins and titles > stats

Many times, those stats are because a QB is playing from behind. I prefer a guy who wins big games, has a clutch gene against GOOD teams, can win playoff games and is careful with the ball. Hurts didn't make the SB twice in 3 years on accident.

 

[AROS]

I think this defense is so close to be elite. A player or two in the right areas and we will be among the leagues best, I have full confidence for the first time in YEARS that its a possibility for this team and that is exciting.

I totally agree. You could feel and see the exponential improvement last year after the 5 game slide to the end of the season that they were locking in to Big Mac's system. A few more kick ass draft selections and this is truly an elite D.

Side note, am I the only one that wants to throw up in my mouth a little every time I see plays on Geno's name? (GeNO, GeYES, et al)...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'll go ahead and retire from it then. Noted

 

[AROS]

I'll go ahead and retire from it then. Noted

Sorry bro, nothing personal.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Yep, and even Kurt Warner said that Hurts should have won it 2 years ago in a 3 point loss to KC in the SB. Hurts is one hell of a player, and flat out clutch.

Ever since 'Bama benched him in the Natty in favor of Tua, I've been rooting for the guy, he doesn't get the national respect he deserves. I don't say that to knock Tua either, I just thought Hurts was owed more loyalty by Saban. Good to see him get this one though.

He could've been a Seahawk had Schneider had the same philosophy as Roseman. Both teams had their presumed starter in place, but that didn't stop Philly from taking a chance. Meanwhile, we're still waiting for our franchise QB.

 

[ZagHawk]

Maybe Geno can win the big game after all

No, he can't because you also need a QB when the opposing team takes away your run game...can still carry the offense to a win. Don't forget during SB 48, Marshawn really did not have a great game because the Broncos sold out to stop the run and RW and the defense made the Broncos pay for it. The Chiefs sold out to stop Saquon, and Jalen and the defense made the Chiefs pay for it.

 

[Kamcussionator]

By "IT factor" do you mean a 2,000 yard rusher? Then yes, Hurts definitely has the IT factor.

Does anyone want to argue that Hurts would be as productive with our run game? Say what you want about Geno, but he was the undeniable focus of every defensive game plan against us last year.

Definitely looking forward to more balance under Kubiak.

 

[projectorfreak]

The eagles also had the driving factor of losing and hearing about it for 2 years and great drafting to bring out their best on gameday , i still don't know how drew lock bet em , pete did have his days for sure

 

[bileever]

I think the Eagles won due to their O line and D line. It was a particularly bad match up for the Chiefs because the holes in their O-line were exposed and their smallish defense was bulldozed by the Eagles huge offensive line. Yes, the Chiefs did slow down Saquon, but that came with a cost.

The Chiefs have two pretty good RBs in Kareem Hunt and Isiah Pacheco, but they're not getting any traction against a good defensive team. And even Patrick Mahomes was just a shadow of his usual self with that poor pass protection. (6 sacks and 11 QB hits I think it was.) It kind of reminded me of the Seahawks' season, and shows how we're going nowhere until we figure out the trenches because our line is worse than the Chiefs'.

 

[evergreen]

How many of us thought the Eagles could win the last time? I did until the refs stopped the game. I don’t think there’s any doubts the Eagles were coming down and d scoring after KC did what ever they did. The big question was what KC would do after that and how much time was left. Buy the refs took care of that.

 

[cymatica]

I said others put down Hurts to prop him up and you translated that to me calling him trash. I'm not the only one capable of hyperbolizing the opposing argument.

I simply responded in kind after this

Some people are so desperate to prop up Geno that they have to pretend that a guy like Hurts isn't actually good,

All I said is I don't think he's elite or has the "IT" factor which implies he's elite. I acknowledged he's a good QB who is surrounded by elite talent. Never pretended he wasn't good nor was I trying to prop Geno up. The point was that Geno is a good QB who would look much better and could win a SB on an elite team

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ever since 'Bama benched him in the Natty in favor of Tua, I've been rooting for the guy, he doesn't get the national respect he deserves. I don't say that to knock Tua either, I just thought Hurts was owed more loyalty by Saban. Good to see him get this one though.

He could've been a Seahawk had Schneider had the same philosophy as Roseman. Both teams had their presumed starter in place, but that didn't stop Philly from taking a chance. Meanwhile, we're still waiting for our franchise QB.

Hawks tried to trade for him. Russ had his no trade clause.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

By "IT factor" do you mean a 2,000 yard rusher? Then yes, Hurts definitely has the IT factor.

Does anyone want to argue that Hurts would be as productive with our run game? Say what you want about Geno, but he was the undeniable focus of every defensive game plan against us last year.

Definitely looking forward to more balance under Kubiak.

Well, Geno isn't nearly the all-around QB at Hurts is. Let alone clutch, it's not even close.