Colin kaepernick gets contract extension

[Smelly McUgly]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

 

[Sports Hernia]

LOL, it never changes with you.... Defend, deflect, repeat...... defend, deflect, repeat.... SMH.

Refer to my post in between yours and this one and tell me where the logic is wrong, or how Marvin is wrong when he says you guys would gladly take this deal with RW.

Look, Marvin has a new tag team partner! Neato! :34853_doh:

 

[Sports Hernia]

LOL, it never changes with you.... Defend, deflect, repeat...... defend, deflect, repeat.... SMH.

Refer to my post in between yours and this one and tell me where the logic is wrong, or how Marvin is wrong when he says you guys would gladly take this deal with RW.

LOL. Is he still talkin?

You know I am sweetums, you read everyone of my posts. Remember a couple of weeks ago when you were caught lying about this and I pointed it out?

Wait for it............






Sigh!

 

[Marvin49]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

Right...that's why Harbaugh/Roman ran the EXACT same offense with Andrew Luck.

Wait...wha?

 

[Sourdough #49]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

You lost all credibility when you defended Roman. Dude gets way to cute with plays at the wrong time and doesn't stick to the teams strengths enough.

 

[mikeak]

^ how can you view it any different?

Overall per year - I think it is a fair deal. Lots of money but compared to other QB's he gets per year what he should get

Guaranteed for Injury at over $60 million - so they value him that much, realize that is the market

Pretty much (and I summarize) not guaranteed for any year until that year starts - why do you do that if you don't want assurances that he performs?

They do. My point was that they more or less do that on all contracts, not his alone.

Well I am looking at it from a market perspectiv. If you look at Flacco, Romo etc the teams did not. They guaranteed much more. The market for QB's is that you get much more guaranteed and much more in signing bonuses.

Kaepernick agreeing to less in those two areas means that he is willing to bet on himself.

49ers pushing for less was probably what made them sign such a long-term deal and to that figure per year.

You can't really say they do that on all contracts becuase nobody else is at $18M / year. The second highest guaranteed contract on the niners team is $20M per Spotrac. You don't treat the QBs as everyone else but the 49ers did. I don't think that is a philosphy as much as wanting to ensure that he continues to develop.

If you guys beat Baltimore 2 years ago and Seahawks last year don't you think that $60million is guaranteed in full? The fact that it is not means they don't completely trust Kaepernick yet

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

Right...that's why Harbaugh/Roman ran the EXACT same offense with Andrew Luck.

Wait...wha?

I might have too, coaching a QB that is a college QB and not an experienced professional. Andrew Luck today sure as hell ain't the Andrew Luck of four years ago.

Re: Sourdough's comments on Roman's situational playcalling, that is a totally different discussion than how Roman's offense is set up in the first place, but I will sure be crying about how I lost all credibility with a 49er fan.

 

[Marvin49]

^ how can you view it any different?

Overall per year - I think it is a fair deal. Lots of money but compared to other QB's he gets per year what he should get

Guaranteed for Injury at over $60 million - so they value him that much, realize that is the market

Pretty much (and I summarize) not guaranteed for any year until that year starts - why do you do that if you don't want assurances that he performs?

They do. My point was that they more or less do that on all contracts, not his alone.

Well I am looking at it from a market perspectiv. If you look at Flacco, Romo etc the teams did not. They guaranteed much more. The market for QB's is that you get much more guaranteed and much more in signing bonuses.

Kaepernick agreeing to less in those two areas means that he is willing to bet on himself.

49ers pushing for less was probably what made them sign such a long-term deal and to that figure per year.

You can't really say they do that on all contracts becuase nobody else is at $18M / year. The second highest guaranteed contract on the niners team is $20M per Spotrac. You don't treat the QBs as everyone else but the 49ers did. I don't think that is a philosphy as much as wanting to ensure that he continues to develop.

If you guys beat Baltimore 2 years ago and Seahawks last year don't you think that $60million is guaranteed in full? The fact that it is not means they don't completely trust Kaepernick yet

Sure...the scale of the contract is far larger.

...but the individual elements that people are responding to (de-escalators, per game bonuses, "Guarantees" that only hit if he's on the roster on April 1st) all exist in several other contracts, including their best players.

Are the 49ers hedging their bets? Of course they are...I just don't think its about Kap specifically. Its more their MO to do that kinda stuff in all deals, albeit now on a much larger scale.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Here's the OTC take on it: http://overthecap.com/looking-closer-co ... extension/

The de-escalators are going to be fun to watch. Kaepernick loses 2M a year out of that 12M until he has a year where he:

Plays 80% of the snaps AND
Either is a first- or second-team All-Pro OR makes the Super Bowl

The first, he should do unless he gets injured, but he's a sturdy dude and hopefully should be okay there. Now, the second part is really fun. He's got Brees, Manning, Brady and Rodgers to deal with now and Newton, Wilson, Luck, and Sam Bradford (LOL JK I JUST WANTED TO PRETEND TO BE A RAMS FAN) into the future. Lots of competition to get one of those spots. Getting back to the Super Bowl might be easier for him to accomplish.

 

[Sourdough #49]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

Right...that's why Harbaugh/Roman ran the EXACT same offense with Andrew Luck.

Wait...wha?

I might have too, coaching a QB that is a college QB and not an experienced professional. Andrew Luck today sure as hell ain't the Andrew Luck of four years ago.

Re: Sourdough's comments on Roman's situational playcalling, that is a totally different discussion than how Roman's offense is set up in the first place, but I will sure be crying about how I lost all credibility with a 49er fan.

Yet twice Roman chose to let Colin throw the ball to attempt to win the two biggest games of each season rather than giving it to Gore who is good for a minimum of 4 yards per carry. Why would you put a player you didn't think had enough experience in that position?

 

[hawknation2014]

Yet twice Roman chose to let Colin throw the ball to attempt to win the two biggest games of each season rather than giving it to Gore who is good for a minimum of 4 yards per carry. Why would you put a player you didn't think had enough experience in that position?

I understand why they needed to throw the ball at the end of the NFC Championship. There's only 22 seconds left in the game and you need a TD. Throwing the ball is the only option. Does that explain Kaepernick's brain fart in throwing the ball up to the best corner in the game? Absolutely not.

Throwing the ball three straight times on Baltimore five-yard line was indeed a brain fart by Greg Roman. Kaepernick has not shown the mental fortitude to win a game on his own. Meanwhile, you're running down Baltimore's throats, as they look tired while your offensive line is dominating the line of scrimmage. Frank Gore has brought you all the way into the red zone, and you choose not to run it in for the score. Instead, you put the ball in Kaepernick's hands for three straight passes at the five-yard line? Major brain fart by the 49ers' coaches.

 

[Marvin49]

Yet twice Roman chose to let Colin throw the ball to attempt to win the two biggest games of each season rather than giving it to Gore who is good for a minimum of 4 yards per carry. Why would you put a player you didn't think had enough experience in that position?

I understand why they needed to throw the ball at the end of the NFC Championship. There's only 22 seconds left in the game and you need a TD. Throwing the ball is the only option. Does that explain Kaepernick's brain fart in throwing the ball up to the best corner in the game? Absolutely not.

Throwing the ball three straight times on Baltimore five-yard line was indeed a brain fart by Greg Roman. Kaepernick has not shown the mental fortitude to win a game on his own. Meanwhile, you're running down Baltimore's throats, as they look tired while your offensive line is dominating the line of scrimmage. Frank Gore has brought you all the way into the red zone, and you choose not to run it in for the score. Instead, you put the ball in Kaepernick's hands for three straight passes at the five-yard line? Major brain fart by the 49ers' coaches.

In fairness, he did call a QB draw that likely would have scored had Harbaugh not called a TO. They were trying to throw outside because the Ravens were run blitzing like crazy.

That's the reason the wide run by Gore scored earlier in the game....perfect call against that run blitz.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I do think that one thing we can surmise from this contract is that the 49ers run Roman's limited-read offense because Kaepernick still struggles making reads consistently and effectively, and not that Roman is just terrible as an OC, as some 49er fans feel.

I say this because if Kaepernick was really the franchise guy and could do those things along with having his laser arm and running ability, they would have made more steps toward locking him up more significantly, even with the added knowledge that Baalke likes these contracts with lots of bail-out opportunities for the organization. I'm sorry, but QB is not fungible in the way that a position like LB is. QB requires more commitments financially than LB, which is why Kaepernick's contract really shouldn't look like Bowman's.

Right...that's why Harbaugh/Roman ran the EXACT same offense with Andrew Luck.

Wait...wha?

I might have too, coaching a QB that is a college QB and not an experienced professional. Andrew Luck today sure as hell ain't the Andrew Luck of four years ago.

Re: Sourdough's comments on Roman's situational playcalling, that is a totally different discussion than how Roman's offense is set up in the first place, but I will sure be crying about how I lost all credibility with a 49er fan.

Yet twice Roman chose to let Colin throw the ball to attempt to win the two biggest games of each season rather than giving it to Gore who is good for a minimum of 4 yards per carry. Why would you put a player you didn't think had enough experience in that position?

If you're asking me why Roman let Kaepernick throw the ball inside of a minute down six, uh...well, if you have to ask, you'll never know.

Further, the point is that Roman's playcalling, which may well be inconsistent, is different from the structure of his offense, which even 49er fans will point out limits reads that the QB has to make. If you want to talk about WHY that is, that's fine. It could be that Roman and Harbaugh just don't like to design offenses that give their QBs multiple reads.

However, you can ask yourself whether or not it's likely that if Kaepernick could handle progressing through reads more easily, the coaches would still limit his reads in their offense. I think the answer is obvious myself.

 

[Scottemojo]

I actually think it is Fangio's offense that is slowing his development as a read and react QB.

Romans offense?

Derp. Roman's offense. I do that with names.

 

[Brahn]

Great Deal for the Niner's.

Fair Deal for Kaepernick.

Great deal for Kaepernick and his agent if he hits escalators.

Quality contract for the Niner's if he hits his escalators.

Dunno how this can be seen as a negative for the Niner's unless they felt Gabbert could produce more for the same or less.

 

[hawknation2014]

Yet twice Roman chose to let Colin throw the ball to attempt to win the two biggest games of each season rather than giving it to Gore who is good for a minimum of 4 yards per carry. Why would you put a player you didn't think had enough experience in that position?

I understand why they needed to throw the ball at the end of the NFC Championship. There's only 22 seconds left in the game and you need a TD. Throwing the ball is the only option. Does that explain Kaepernick's brain fart in throwing the ball up to the best corner in the game? Absolutely not.

Throwing the ball three straight times on Baltimore five-yard line was indeed a brain fart by Greg Roman. Kaepernick has not shown the mental fortitude to win a game on his own. Meanwhile, you're running down Baltimore's throats, as they look tired while your offensive line is dominating the line of scrimmage. Frank Gore has brought you all the way into the red zone, and you choose not to run it in for the score. Instead, you put the ball in Kaepernick's hands for three straight passes at the five-yard line? Major brain fart by the 49ers' coaches.

In fairness, he did call a QB draw that likely would have scored had Harbaugh not called a TO. They were trying to throw outside because the Ravens were run blitzing like crazy.

That's the reason the wide run by Gore scored earlier in the game....perfect call against that run blitz.

Major brain fart by Roman AND Harbaugh.

 

[Front7vLOB]

If you're asking me why Roman let Kaepernick throw the ball inside of a minute down six, uh...well, if you have to ask, you'll never know.

Further, the point is that Roman's playcalling, which may well be inconsistent, is different from the structure of his offense, which even 49er fans will point out limits reads that the QB has to make. If you want to talk about WHY that is, that's fine. It could be that Roman and Harbaugh just don't like to design offenses that give their QBs multiple reads.

However, you can ask yourself whether or not it's likely that if Kaepernick could handle progressing through reads more easily, the coaches would still limit his reads in their offense. I think the answer is obvious myself.

We are way over-analyzing this.

RW practically had the same run/pass ratio as the 49ers did last season. I don't see anyone on here claiming its because of Bevell's distrust in RW.

The point is, most of the 49ers games last season were easy wins. They didn't need to pass the ball to win the game. Just let the defense feed off the opposing teams struggling offense and let Gore and company wear down the clock.

Only one game last season did the 49ers lose when they should have been/were heavy favorites: the Colts game.

Every other game they won, the 49ers had a script that was indeed conservative, but it was a script that guaranteed a win. Who are we to question the 49ers under Jim Harbaugh/Roman...

The 49ers are what, 35-12-1 under Harbaugh (not including the playoffs). I get that, as Seahawks fans, you see the bad side of the 49ers (cause let's face it, everyone looks bad against you guys). But the 49ers have also made winning look easy the past 3 seasons. Especially under Kap.

 

[loafoftatupu]

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Dunno how this can be seen as a negative for the Niner's unless they felt Gabbert could produce more for the same or less.

it isn't a negative. Not even close, they signed their QB. Some of us are just happier about it than others.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

If you're asking me why Roman let Kaepernick throw the ball inside of a minute down six, uh...well, if you have to ask, you'll never know.

Further, the point is that Roman's playcalling, which may well be inconsistent, is different from the structure of his offense, which even 49er fans will point out limits reads that the QB has to make. If you want to talk about WHY that is, that's fine. It could be that Roman and Harbaugh just don't like to design offenses that give their QBs multiple reads.

However, you can ask yourself whether or not it's likely that if Kaepernick could handle progressing through reads more easily, the coaches would still limit his reads in their offense. I think the answer is obvious myself.

We are way over-analyzing this.

RW practically had the same run/pass ratio as the 49ers did last season. I don't see anyone on here claiming its because of Bevell's distrust in RW.

All this drivel just to fundamentally misunderstand my posts.

Quit blabbering about Seahawks fans saying the worst about the 49ers. I'm talking about the limited reads on the pass plays that Roman does run. Try to stay on topic.

 

[Marvin49]

Interesting....

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tip-hat-kap

"Prior to last season, the Baltimore Ravens paid Joe Flacco a signing bonus of $29 million, and Matthew Stafford received $27.5 million up front as part of an extension from the Detroit Lions. There is little question that Kaepernick could have received a lot more fully guaranteed money from the 49ers. And, obviously, a strong argument can be made that his agent should have insisted upon it.

But sources told CSNBayArea.com that Kaepernick wanted it this way. Kaepernick, who recorded one of the top Wonderlic intelligence scores of all NFL starting quarterbacks, knew the exact details and ramifications of his contract.

And while the agent community is panning the performance of his representation in accepting this kind of team-friendly deal, Kaepernick made good on his promises.

A source with knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset said the 49ers quarterback wanted his deal to be “flexible so that (the 49ers) could sign other guys.” Kaepernick's contract does not exhaust the 49ers' salary this season and figures to be manageable in future years, too."


If true...I'm impressed.