Carson 1.5 ypc at Dallas

[Spin Doctor]

I don't even get this thread, the lack of running production had NOTHING to do with who was running the ball.

Then how do you explain Penny vs the rest?

Penny and Carson were within .2 YPC of each other this year with Carson working more in the 1st half and wearing the D down.

1 carry for 28 yards from a hole a truck could drive through is as much luck of the play than ability of the runner. That said, Penny is the bigger break away threat, but no holes and Carson gets more yards.

Bottom line...."Penny vs the rest" is based on such a small sample size there is lose footing you are standing on.

Bottom line for me is if the script was flipped you would be posting about how bad Penny is. You did it early in the season. As the season progressed random excuses with zero evidence started to pop up. Early in the season YPC was everything to you. Once Penny passed up Carson it no longer mattered and you just pointed to limited sample size.

Makes me smile. Thanks.

Penny isn't a very good running back though, Carson is a much better back than Penny is. Penny is the type of guy that you would have loved to have in the 6th round. He isn't outright horrible, but in many area's he is lacking as a player. Penny is a one-trick pony. We run him on counters, and misdirection plays to the outside, and there he can get some yards. Anything other then those specific plays and he seems to fall apart. He struggles pushing for extra yardage through the inside. He can't seem to make the first person miss, or break tackles when running in between the tackles. Not a lot of burst, and a lot of hesitation.

Penny is THE quintessential third down back. He has some hands so he can catch, and he can burn you on misdirection plays. Those players are a dime a dozen though. There was a reason that he was behind Davis, and Carson on the depth chart. He only has one specific niche. You can't run counters, and misdirection plays on every snap. They have to be intelligently done.

Now, Carson on the other hand is our glass cannon bell cow. He can pretty much do everything, and this season he was among the best running backs in the NFL. The thing about him is on his runs he rarely lost yards, and he gained consistent yardage. Those types of running backs demoralize defenses. Even when the line was penetrated he could turn a loss into a 2-3 yard gain. He very much so was like our very own Marshawn Lynch of old.

I don't think Penny is ever going to take the next evolution. He's going to be a change up back that you don't really ever want to get the bulk of the carries. Think Reggie Bush in NO.

 

[Seymour]

I don't even get this thread, the lack of running production had NOTHING to do with who was running the ball.

Then how do you explain Penny vs the rest?

Penny and Carson were within .2 YPC of each other this year with Carson working more in the 1st half and wearing the D down.

1 carry for 28 yards from a hole a truck could drive through is as much luck of the play than ability of the runner. Tha. t said, Penny is the bigger break away threat, but no holes and Carson gets more yards.

Bottom line...."Penny vs the rest" is based on such a small sample size there is lose footing you are standing on.

Bottom line for me is if the script was flipped you would be posting about how bad Penny is. You did it early in the season. As the season progressed random excuses with zero evidence started to pop up. Early in the season YPC was everything to you. Once Penny passed up Carson it no longer mattered and you just pointed to limited sample size.

Makes me smile. Thanks.

Give me a break. :roll:
They are within .2 YPC of each other and trying to use that as some "he is better" argument from a 1 run sample size is beyond stupid. I still like Penny, my gripe is he was taken too soon and we could have done better with that pick. He has major potential but dropping at the slightest contact does not earn him the every down back roll on this team.

Go bitch to Pete, he makes these calls, not me. I can just see the obvious reasons Pete makes that call and you can't. BooWhoo :roll:

 

[West TX Hawk]

All while Penny averaged 7.3 YPC. Thats not always compete. Bottom line is they should have switched to Penny early in this game as it was clear Carson lacked the speed needed to be effective against this defense. It was clear the first time around he didn't have it. It was also evident all season Penny was the more explosive RB. The stats show this as true (sorry Penny haters). The coaching staff put the game on the shoulders of their 7th round RB pick. Not sure what they expected would happen. Star players elevate their game in the biggest games. The result didn't surprise me.

Looking forward to Penny taking over the lead role next year. :irishdrinkers:

Unbelievably ignorant post. Yep, Carson ran for 1151, 5th most in the NFL, 9 TD, Pro Bowl alternate, Offensive Player of the Month, incredibly respected around the league & the reason we had such a standout running game, but no let's put it all on the line in the playoffs with our toss sweep specialist.

Our running game struggled against Dallas because they completely stacked the box 1st and 2nd down and we made zero attempt at attacking their secondary or utilizing play action more to get them to back off. If you can't see this, then you're refusing to acknowledge what actually happened.

But since in your mind Penny is already a gene clone of a combined Gayle Sayers and Barry Sanders, here's a dose of reality on Penny's career thus far in a nutshell: enormous reach in the draft, shows up entitled, overweight, slow, breaks finger, misses 1/2 the preseason, given the most carries the 1st 2 games & struggles badly, becomes 3rd string, humbled slightly, improves some, develops a niche for perimeter running, makes some nice plays periodically, still struggles to get 1-2 yards up the middle, gets hurt again, comes back & does absolutely nothing against Arizona, makes 1 nice run against Dal along with 3 crap carries & still goes down on arm tackles.

But please, above all, continue your wondrous YPC argument. You'll definitely convince us all with this tremendous, error-proof logic.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And 2 for 13 on 3rd downs on the day, along with only 25 minutes of time of possession..... ukeface: ukeface: ukeface: ukeface: ukeface: ukeface: ukeface:

 

[Seymour]

All while Penny averaged 7.3 YPC. Thats not always compete. Bottom line is they should have switched to Penny early in this game as it was clear Carson lacked the speed needed to be effective against this defense. It was clear the first time around he didn't have it. It was also evident all season Penny was the more explosive RB. The stats show this as true (sorry Penny haters). The coaching staff put the game on the shoulders of their 7th round RB pick. Not sure what they expected would happen. Star players elevate their game in the biggest games. The result didn't surprise me.

Looking forward to Penny taking over the lead role next year. :irishdrinkers:

Unbelievably ignorant post. Yep, Carson ran for 1151, 5th most in the NFL, 9 TD, Pro Bowl alternate, Offensive Player of the Month, incredibly respected around the league & the reason we had such a standout running game, but no let's put it all on the line in the playoffs with our toss sweep specialist.

Our running game struggled against Dallas because they completely stacked the box 1st and 2nd down and we made zero attempt at attacking their secondary or utilizing play action more to get them to back off. If you can't see this, then you're refusing to acknowledge what actually happened.

But since in your mind Penny is already a gene clone of a combined Gayle Sayers and Barry Sanders, here's a dose of reality on Penny's career thus far in a nutshell: enormous reach in the draft, shows up entitled, overweight, slow, breaks finger, misses 1/2 the preseason, given the most carries the 1st 2 games & struggles badly, becomes 3rd string, humbled slightly, improves some, develops a niche for perimeter running, makes some nice plays periodically, still struggles to get 1-2 yards up the middle, gets hurt again, comes back & does absolutely nothing against Arizona, makes 1 nice run against Dal along with 3 crap carries & still goes down on arm tackles.

But please, above all, continue your wondrous YPC argument. You'll definitely convince us all with this tremendous, error-proof logic.

Nailed it! :2thumbs:

And the entitled part with his conditioning and effort is a major red flag in my book.

That said, I've said this all year and I'll say it again. Give him through year 2 to see if he comes around and improves his weaknesses.