Can Russel Wilson become an Elite pocket passer?

[dontbelikethat]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

You want a life preserver yet? The flailing around has me seriously worried for you sir.

 

[dontbelikethat]

except he has already proven he can, even when our d doe snot play well, even when he has to come back, so you still have nothing. So I guess for Rw to be elite he has to play on a team with a crappy defense and still win. Hmm seems there are a lot of QBs in the HOF that are not elite then. Your problem is you really just want to Rw to not be elite your remind me of someone named Jacknut.

I know he can win and play well without an elite defense, but can he do it for a long stretch (multiple seasons)? Can he do it when the cap comes in play and the structure of the team changes? I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying I don't know and it's hard to gauge as of right now. You fail to understand my point and you take it as slight against Wilson so much. No, Wilson doesn't have to play on a crappy team to be elite. I think you would consider Manning to be elite, does he play for a crappy team? Dude I said a ton of times already Wilson will be elite and I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world, I can't believe you think it's a slight to him after I've said all that just because I'm not ready to crown him yet.

 

[nsport]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

Could you say in reverse that the arguable top 3 QB's (Manning, Rodgers, Brady) would be better than 13-3 with this team? Would they have won the SB with our defense? I personally don't think so. So it depends on when you stick your stake in the ground to label someone elite. If I was going out on a limb, I would say that Rodgers is NOT elite due to his performances over the past couple years. Same is true for Brady and Manning. Furthermore, just because they put up stats and play in weak divisions (and conferences) I would not call them elite. In fact, I would put Kaepernick above them in eliteness, as well as Newton, especially after his turnaround in 2013. I would put Wilson on top of all of them.

 

[dontbelikethat]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

Could you say in reverse that the arguable top 3 QB's (Manning, Rodgers, Brady) would be better than 13-3 with this team? Would they have won the SB with our defense? I personally don't think so. So it depends on when you stick your stake in the ground to label someone elite. If I was going out on a limb, I would say that Rodgers is NOT elite due to his performances over the past couple years. Same is true for Brady and Manning. Furthermore, just because they put up stats and play in weak divisions (and conferences) I would not call them elite. In fact, I would put Kaepernick above them in eliteness, as well as Newton, especially after his turnaround in 2013. I would put Wilson on top of all of them.

Yes, I think if Manning, Brees or Brady were playing on this team and all we did was switch out Wilson for one of those guys and held the same exact team, we would be 13-3 still or possibly better (it's pretty hard to be better than 13-3 though). It's all just semantics/opinions at this point. If you think Kaep is more elite than Manning or Brady, that's your notion, but I disagree. Stats is not the end all argument obviously, but it does play a factor, but in this type of opinionated debate, to each their own with their perspective on what it is.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Interesting....I can definitely agree about Newton, that boy definitely took a step or two and would not disagree about Rodgers, that man has been on an island if ever anyone has.

 

[Lady Talon]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

Could you say in reverse that the arguable top 3 QB's (Manning, Rodgers, Brady) would be better than 13-3 with this team? Would they have won the SB with our defense? I personally don't think so. So it depends on when you stick your stake in the ground to label someone elite. If I was going out on a limb, I would say that Rodgers is NOT elite due to his performances over the past couple years. Same is true for Brady and Manning. Furthermore, just because they put up stats and play in weak divisions (and conferences) I would not call them elite. In fact, I would put Kaepernick above them in eliteness, as well as Newton, especially after his turnaround in 2013. I would put Wilson on top of all of them.

Yes, I think if Manning, Brees or Brady were playing on this team and all we did was switch out Wilson for one of those guys and held the same exact team, we would be 13-3 still or possibly better (it's pretty hard to be better than 13-3 though). It's all just semantics/opinions at this point. If you think Kaep is more elite than Manning or Brady, that's your notion, but I disagree. Stats is not the end all argument obviously, but it does play a factor, but in this type of opinionated debate, to each their own with their perspective on what it is.

Manning or Brady would have broken apart like glass behind our line. We're not a OL that can give either of them time, considering the defenses we played. They'd already be retired, if not paralyzed.

 

[-The Glove-]

I'm hearing a lot of "what if RW had teams like Manning, Brady, etc". Really? Did they not have outstanding defenses and playmakers? This reminds me of Marshall Faulk saying something like "look how Brady's done when he's had to do it on his own. Manning has been doing it his whole career." Let's just forget about the fact they've had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Corey Dillon, Edgerrin James, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, Rodney Harrison, Logan Mankins, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, etc. Neither has had a top defense right?

 

[Anthony!]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

No I named enough, provided plenty of facts and stats and still have not seen any form you, so know I have provided plenty. Oh and your whole argument is based on your warped perception of what elite is, a perception no one here shares with you. So one more time you can say he is not based on your not of this planet perception, and we will say he is based on the facts. enjoy

 

[Anthony!]

except he has already proven he can, even when our d doe snot play well, even when he has to come back, so you still have nothing. So I guess for Rw to be elite he has to play on a team with a crappy defense and still win. Hmm seems there are a lot of QBs in the HOF that are not elite then. Your problem is you really just want to Rw to not be elite your remind me of someone named Jacknut.

I know he can win and play well without an elite defense, but can he do it for a long stretch (multiple seasons)? Can he do it when the cap comes in play and the structure of the team changes? I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying I don't know and it's hard to gauge as of right now. You fail to understand my point and you take it as slight against Wilson so much. No, Wilson doesn't have to play on a crappy team to be elite. I think you would consider Manning to be elite, does he play for a crappy team? Dude I said a ton of times already Wilson will be elite and I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world, I can't believe you think it's a slight to him after I've said all that just because I'm not ready to crown him yet.

Look one more time he has proven can period. and once again Montana always had a great defense, and other great players and yet he is HOF and Elite so your argument is irrelevant, and you opinion of what elite means doe snot match to what most of us think of as elite. I do not fail to understand your point, I just do not buy your point, I think it is at best irrelevant, and at worst silly. I mean I could say Brady is not elite till he prove she can do it without his current coach, OR Brees in not elite till he proves he can do it without a top 10 wr or Te, same for Manning. You can always come up with some lame thing to say they need to do this or that to prove they are elite, but that does not change the fact they elite.

 

[dontbelikethat]

I'm hearing a lot of "what if RW had teams like Manning, Brady, etc". Really? Did they not have outstanding defenses and playmakers? This reminds me of Marshall Faulk saying something like "look how Brady's done when he's had to do it on his own. Manning has been doing it his whole career." Let's just forget about the fact they've had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Corey Dillon, Edgerrin James, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, Rodney Harrison, Logan Mankins, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, etc. Neither has had a top defense right?

No denying they had great teams, but the premise isn't about what they did there, it was about what they could do here in place. At least that was the notion for the point I think you're trying to talk about? And like I said earlier, we don't know for certain, but in my opinion I think it would at least be similar.

 

[dontbelikethat]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

No I named enough, provided plenty of facts and stats and still have not seen any form you, so know I have provided plenty. Oh and your whole argument is based on your warped perception of what elite is, a perception no one here shares with you. So one more time you can say he is not based on your not of this planet perception, and we will say he is based on the facts. enjoy

It's called semantics. You don't have to agree with me, I never asked that. I just stated my opinion and got attacked as a Wilson hater when I'm far from it.

 

[Anthony!]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

Could you say in reverse that the arguable top 3 QB's (Manning, Rodgers, Brady) would be better than 13-3 with this team? Would they have won the SB with our defense? I personally don't think so. So it depends on when you stick your stake in the ground to label someone elite. If I was going out on a limb, I would say that Rodgers is NOT elite due to his performances over the past couple years. Same is true for Brady and Manning. Furthermore, just because they put up stats and play in weak divisions (and conferences) I would not call them elite. In fact, I would put Kaepernick above them in eliteness, as well as Newton, especially after his turnaround in 2013. I would put Wilson on top of all of them.

Yes, I think if Manning, Brees or Brady were playing on this team and all we did was switch out Wilson for one of those guys and held the same exact team, we would be 13-3 still or possibly better (it's pretty hard to be better than 13-3 though). It's all just semantics/opinions at this point. If you think Kaep is more elite than Manning or Brady, that's your notion, but I disagree. Stats is not the end all argument obviously, but it does play a factor, but in this type of opinionated debate, to each their own with their perspective on what it is.

YOUR DELLUSIONAL none of them would have survived the year. You just blew any credibility you had with this statement.

 

[Anthony!]

You see I do not have to name more I named enough, and you still have nothing to support you other than yards, I showed how Rw has outplayed Brady, played as well as Brees and those are 2 of your so called elite. As to we are possible loosing early because of his play, really even you cannot be that much of a hater.

Lol okay. But given what those guys are given, can he do the same? If the roles were switched around and Wilson was over there with their offense, playing our defense and Brady/Brees, etc. were over here, would it be the same? I don't know and I'm not goona act like I know. Like a poster above said earlier, it's hard to gauge and that is my initial point (and the only way how I can see it possibly be done is if he has to take more control). On the topic of losing early, I never said we lose early because of him and never even really tried to make that point, my point was you didn't take other things into context, but only what Wilson has done when the DEF and other OFF players also have a huge role. It's not JUST Wilson.

Basically you have nothing but what you want and think while the rest of us have facts. So tell you what believe what you want, don't let the facts get in the way. The rest of us in the real world will know he is already Elite and will get better

Yeah this is a great way to prove your point. I've already said multiple times that Wilson will become elite, he will get better, and I I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world. You make it seem like I bash him when I've already said he is great, but he is a tier under the GOAT (which imo is not a diss). And please, this entire argument is based on semantics of what is elite, not facts and I'm the one grasping at straws right. :roll:

No I named enough, provided plenty of facts and stats and still have not seen any form you, so know I have provided plenty. Oh and your whole argument is based on your warped perception of what elite is, a perception no one here shares with you. So one more time you can say he is not based on your not of this planet perception, and we will say he is based on the facts. enjoy

It's called semantics. You don't have to agree with me, I never asked that. I just stated my opinion and got attacked as a Wilson hater when I'm far from it.

Not attacked called out and you still have nothing to support your claim.

 

[dontbelikethat]

except he has already proven he can, even when our d doe snot play well, even when he has to come back, so you still have nothing. So I guess for Rw to be elite he has to play on a team with a crappy defense and still win. Hmm seems there are a lot of QBs in the HOF that are not elite then. Your problem is you really just want to Rw to not be elite your remind me of someone named Jacknut.

I know he can win and play well without an elite defense, but can he do it for a long stretch (multiple seasons)? Can he do it when the cap comes in play and the structure of the team changes? I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying I don't know and it's hard to gauge as of right now. You fail to understand my point and you take it as slight against Wilson so much. No, Wilson doesn't have to play on a crappy team to be elite. I think you would consider Manning to be elite, does he play for a crappy team? Dude I said a ton of times already Wilson will be elite and I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world, I can't believe you think it's a slight to him after I've said all that just because I'm not ready to crown him yet.

Look one more time he has proven can period. and once again Montana always had a great defense, and other great players and yet he is HOF and Elite so your argument is irrelevant, and you opinion of what elite means doe snot match to what most of us think of as elite. I do not fail to understand your point, I just do not buy your point, I think it is at best irrelevant, and at worst silly. I mean I could say Brady is not elite till he prove she can do it without his current coach, OR Brees in not elite till he proves he can do it without a top 10 wr or Te, same for Manning. You can always come up with some lame thing to say they need to do this or that to prove they are elite, but that does not change the fact they elite.

True, you could always come up with something new. But then the matter of how much they were relied on is a matter of opinion and how much their supporting cast helped was a matter of opinion. It's all perspective.

 

[nsport]

YOUR DELLUSIONAL none of them would have survived the year. You just blew any credibility you had with this statement.

So glad you were able to take that underhand softball lob and knock it out of the park.

 

[-The Glove-]

I'm hearing a lot of "what if RW had teams like Manning, Brady, etc". Really? Did they not have outstanding defenses and playmakers? This reminds me of Marshall Faulk saying something like "look how Brady's done when he's had to do it on his own. Manning has been doing it his whole career." Let's just forget about the fact they've had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Corey Dillon, Edgerrin James, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, Rodney Harrison, Logan Mankins, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, etc. Neither has had a top defense right?

No denying they had great teams, but the premise isn't about what they did there, it was about what they could do here in place. At least that was the notion for the point I think you're trying to talk about? And like I said earlier, we don't know for certain, but in my opinion I think it would at least be similar.

What they can do here? Without the ability to buy time, they'd look like Manning in the SB quite often with the revolving door at OL. You/others say the D allows RW to not have to do as much but don't take into account that the OL actually asks him to do way more. As much as I love our receivers, they don't excel at getting separation quickly.

 

[Anthony!]

except he has already proven he can, even when our d doe snot play well, even when he has to come back, so you still have nothing. So I guess for Rw to be elite he has to play on a team with a crappy defense and still win. Hmm seems there are a lot of QBs in the HOF that are not elite then. Your problem is you really just want to Rw to not be elite your remind me of someone named Jacknut.

I know he can win and play well without an elite defense, but can he do it for a long stretch (multiple seasons)? Can he do it when the cap comes in play and the structure of the team changes? I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying I don't know and it's hard to gauge as of right now. You fail to understand my point and you take it as slight against Wilson so much. No, Wilson doesn't have to play on a crappy team to be elite. I think you would consider Manning to be elite, does he play for a crappy team? Dude I said a ton of times already Wilson will be elite and I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the world, I can't believe you think it's a slight to him after I've said all that just because I'm not ready to crown him yet.

Look one more time he has proven can period. and once again Montana always had a great defense, and other great players and yet he is HOF and Elite so your argument is irrelevant, and you opinion of what elite means doe snot match to what most of us think of as elite. I do not fail to understand your point, I just do not buy your point, I think it is at best irrelevant, and at worst silly. I mean I could say Brady is not elite till he prove she can do it without his current coach, OR Brees in not elite till he proves he can do it without a top 10 wr or Te, same for Manning. You can always come up with some lame thing to say they need to do this or that to prove they are elite, but that does not change the fact they elite.

True, you could always come up with something new. But then the matter of how much they were relied on is a matter of opinion and how much their supporting cast helped was a matter of opinion. It's all perspective.

Yup it is perspective, that is the one thing I will agree with you on.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Yes, I think if Manning, Brees or Brady were playing on this team and all we did was switch out Wilson for one of those guys and held the same exact team, we would be 13-3 still or possibly better (it's pretty hard to be better than 13-3 though). It's all just semantics/opinions at this point. If you think Kaep is more elite than Manning or Brady, that's your notion, but I disagree. Stats is not the end all argument obviously, but it does play a factor, but in this type of opinionated debate, to each their own with their perspective on what it is.

YOUR DELLUSIONAL none of them would have survived the year. You just blew any credibility you had with this statement.

We're just not going to see eye to eye on anything, it's time to just agree to disagree.

 

[dontbelikethat]

I'm hearing a lot of "what if RW had teams like Manning, Brady, etc". Really? Did they not have outstanding defenses and playmakers? This reminds me of Marshall Faulk saying something like "look how Brady's done when he's had to do it on his own. Manning has been doing it his whole career." Let's just forget about the fact they've had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Corey Dillon, Edgerrin James, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, Rodney Harrison, Logan Mankins, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Robert Mathis, Dallas Clark, etc. Neither has had a top defense right?

No denying they had great teams, but the premise isn't about what they did there, it was about what they could do here in place. At least that was the notion for the point I think you're trying to talk about? And like I said earlier, we don't know for certain, but in my opinion I think it would at least be similar.

What they can do here? Without the ability to buy time, they'd look like Manning in the SB quite often with the revolving door at OL. You/others say the D allows RW to not have to do as much but don't take into account that the OL actually asks him to do way more. As much as I love our receivers, they don't excel at getting separation quickly.

Manning's oline isn't great either (especially after Clady went down), it's his quick release. Maybe it's how he runs his offense that helps gets receivers opens with picks,etc. I don't know and I'm not acting like I do. Again, it's opinion and I don't think Wilson is the only guy in the world that could run this team.