JSeahawks
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peachesenregalia":2kvg5u8v said:
Well, somebodies gotta buy all the drinks!
Arena Deal thread: UPDATE: DEAL PASSED AND SIGNED OFF!!!
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Well, somebodies gotta buy all the drinks!
Throwdown
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Psh peaches your in there like swim wear, bruh!
Throwdown
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Fasho, home slice.
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JSeahawks":22luz2xz said:
Exactly. :229031_cheers:
Peaches, I think you'll find that once we get our team back (if that ever happens), most animosity towards you will be non-existent. Think of it as you're the guy our ex-gf cheated on us with and went and got married to. We're still single and wallowing in our sorrows. We hate you because it's a reflection of what we lost and where we currently are. But once we get a girl of our own, who cares. The more, the merrier in that case.
That said, if your owner doesn't allow us our name and history back, all bets in that regard are off. :evil:
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet but it looks like the Coyotes are staying in the desert. Time to look at other possible targets, Islanders seem like the next likely. Maybe Florida or Nashville but I'm not up to date on their situations.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=395274
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http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=395274
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I dont mean stats, talent, etc. I just mean that Kemp, Payton and the Sonics will always be superior to the Thunder, in every aspect. Seattle drafted Durant. Enjoy it while it lasts, its only a matter of time before they become an obscure team in hillbilly land.peachesenregalia":frej55me said:
AbsolutNET
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Guys, please dont go down that road in this thread
Blitzer88
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Not again....... :34853_doh:
Keep the discussion focused on the arena talk folks.
Keep the discussion focused on the arena talk folks.
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The NHL aspect is a tricky one. With teams such as the 'yotes and preds doing so well in new southern markets, it's going to be hard to gen up the necessary interest in a move. Florida and Phoenix both won their divisions, Nashville finished a close second, Winnipeg just got a team back, which leaves only the Carolina Panthers and Columbus Blue Jackets as crappy southern market teams. Carolina, with its solid history, is probably not even going to be in any sort of discussion, which means Columbus is really the only serious contender for at least a few years. I don't see any other teams as even a remote possibility.
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Islanders have been crappy for some time. In spite of that, they've got some serious history. I don't see Bettman even considering them. Then again, what do I know? They moved Hartford and Winnipeg v1.0, after all.
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I'm not even concerned about the NHL, as much as I want it right now. The main goal is getting the arena approved and getting the Sonics back. After that, the NHL will happen one way or another, either a struggling market or expansion (you never know). This isn't happening for awhile anyways.
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Seahawk Sailor":f5ixs3qe said:
Hurricanes
Carolina won't be moving anywhere unless peter Karmanoes (sp?) sells the team. his family are great owners and have grown the game really well in the local market. same can be said for the team in nashville, tons of fan support and very active community behind the team.
Florida (panthers/miami) won their division for the first time in a decade and have finally made the right moves by hiring dave tallon (sp?) to build their team. Miami are front runners, if the team is good they will go watch them play BUT the league is realigning the divisions this season to accommodate winnipegs travel schedule. the lightning are not going anywhere with all the snow birds from canada down in tampa all winter.
the ducks owner samueli is trying to lend the maloofs money to refurbish the honda center in anaheim to update it for nba and nhl standards (new locker rooms, score boards, concessions whatever) so its in his best interest to keep his team in the arena (i think he owns it, so the loan was like the maloofs paying him to fix his arena so they can leave sac until a new venue in anaheim could be put up...last year i would remember this chronologically correct :mrgreen: ). the kings are going to win the stanley cup this season, so that's a no go for them. the sharks have a great following in northern california.
the islanders will never move from the state of ny. they are the last major pro franchise in N.A to win 4 championships in a row, they are in a market with over 10 million people, ny doesn't lose sports teams anymore (dodgers are the exception), bettman is too stubborn to ever turn his back on that much money/history/rivalries. He and charles wang will get something fixed because wang has done a lot in 10 years or so of owning the team and bettman needs to reward him for his struggles and time/money.
so that leaves columbus and phoenix in my opinion. columbus is historically bad, are holding a great canadian hockey player hostage (he signed the deal but cmon he's a good guy trade him already for the love of Jesus!), can't draft for their life, have accountants are hockey decision makers and a clue less owner. Nobody wants to play in columbus, nobody. BUT they have a great fan base, loyal passionate fans who support inept management and a terrible hockey team. If anything, for the product of the league this team should be moved to seattle or quebec but its not going to happen. this team is a one of a few time zone/conference enigma's as well which would support moving them too imo. bettman wants to grow the game in a sports crazy state like ohio but they love basket ball and football there. OSU is columbus, not the blue jackets. I just think it would take too much of a change of attitude from bettman to move them, maybe when he retires and new blood comes in. the phoenix deal is supposed to only delay moving the team for five years to see if they are viable in the current location. so jamieson can ship them off to wherever once he sees they come back to earth and people still don't want to watch hockey in the desert.
its a barren landscape for an nhl team coming to seattle in the next little bit but anything is possible. the best bet looks like the sacramento kings coming to replace the sonics first and then get the hockey team there later. I hope the sonics come back really soon.
Nice breakdown. I agree Kings are best option to become Sonics. I also think Charlotte is a darkhorse. Nba has failed twice there, also think Jordan will eventually sell to make a profit.soohawk":369bcwqj said:Seahawk Sailor":369bcwqj said:
Hurricanes
Carolina won't be moving anywhere unless peter Karmanoes (sp?) sells the team. his family are great owners and have grown the game really well in the local market. same can be said for the team in nashville, tons of fan support and very active community behind the team.
Florida (panthers/miami) won their division for the first time in a decade and have finally made the right moves by hiring dave tallon (sp?) to build their team. Miami are front runners, if the team is good they will go watch them play BUT the league is realigning the divisions this season to accommodate winnipegs travel schedule. the lightning are not going anywhere with all the snow birds from canada down in tampa all winter.
the ducks owner samueli is trying to lend the maloofs money to refurbish the honda center in anaheim to update it for nba and nhl standards (new locker rooms, score boards, concessions whatever) so its in his best interest to keep his team in the arena (i think he owns it, so the loan was like the maloofs paying him to fix his arena so they can leave sac until a new venue in anaheim could be put up...last year i would remember this chronologically correct :mrgreen: ). the kings are going to win the stanley cup this season, so that's a no go for them. the sharks have a great following in northern california.
the islanders will never move from the state of ny. they are the last major pro franchise in N.A to win 4 championships in a row, they are in a market with over 10 million people, ny doesn't lose sports teams anymore (dodgers are the exception), bettman is too stubborn to ever turn his back on that much money/history/rivalries. He and charles wang will get something fixed because wang has done a lot in 10 years or so of owning the team and bettman needs to reward him for his struggles and time/money.
so that leaves columbus and phoenix in my opinion. columbus is historically bad, are holding a great canadian hockey player hostage (he signed the deal but cmon he's a good guy trade him already for the love of Jesus!), can't draft for their life, have accountants are hockey decision makers and a clue less owner. Nobody wants to play in columbus, nobody. BUT they have a great fan base, loyal passionate fans who support inept management and a terrible hockey team. If anything, for the product of the league this team should be moved to seattle or quebec but its not going to happen. this team is a one of a few time zone/conference enigma's as well which would support moving them too imo. bettman wants to grow the game in a sports crazy state like ohio but they love basket ball and football there. OSU is columbus, not the blue jackets. I just think it would take too much of a change of attitude from bettman to move them, maybe when he retires and new blood comes in. the phoenix deal is supposed to only delay moving the team for five years to see if they are viable in the current location. so jamieson can ship them off to wherever once he sees they come back to earth and people still don't want to watch hockey in the desert.
its a barren landscape for an nhl team coming to seattle in the next little bit but anything is possible. the best bet looks like the sacramento kings coming to replace the sonics first and then get the hockey team there later. I hope the sonics come back really soon.
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Nice writup, soohawk. You did notice I said, "Carolina, with its solid history, is probably not even going to be in any sort of discussion," didn't you? I don't see them in contention for any move. That's why they're simply one of the crappy southern market teams, just not one that's going to be the new Seattle Lumberjacks.
Interesting comments about the Ducks. I agree they're probably not going anywhere, and are probably not even in the discussion. SoCal is a little bit friendlier of a market for them because of the absence of the NFL in the L.A. area. They have an easier time pulling attendance than say the Coyotes, who in spite of doing well now, are still fighting the NFL in a small, disinterested market. The second they have a downturn, they'll be right back on the market.
And the Columbus market is an interesting one. One thing I'd also mention is that even if Ohio is chalk full of hockey fans, many of them are already well established Red Wings, Blues, or Blackhawks fans, if not fans of another franchise elsewhere. It's pretty easy to become disenfranchised with your "new favorite" team and go back to the team you used to like when they're doing crappy, and your old favorite team is doing well, which is exactly the case there.
I agree we're more likely to get an NBA team first, and then an NHL team when we can, even though I'd love to see it the other way around.
Interesting comments about the Ducks. I agree they're probably not going anywhere, and are probably not even in the discussion. SoCal is a little bit friendlier of a market for them because of the absence of the NFL in the L.A. area. They have an easier time pulling attendance than say the Coyotes, who in spite of doing well now, are still fighting the NFL in a small, disinterested market. The second they have a downturn, they'll be right back on the market.
And the Columbus market is an interesting one. One thing I'd also mention is that even if Ohio is chalk full of hockey fans, many of them are already well established Red Wings, Blues, or Blackhawks fans, if not fans of another franchise elsewhere. It's pretty easy to become disenfranchised with your "new favorite" team and go back to the team you used to like when they're doing crappy, and your old favorite team is doing well, which is exactly the case there.
I agree we're more likely to get an NBA team first, and then an NHL team when we can, even though I'd love to see it the other way around.
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Yea, I was just going to post that, Throwdown. Awesome stuff!
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Seahawk Sailor":1amd1rx8 said:
It is good stuff, this Hansen dude is caked up! Putting a lot his own money in it as well, Chris Hansen is a boss.
I love the comments though, definetly worth a laugh. Definetly a lot of poindexters out there who are going to look stupid when that $200 Million gets paid back and there's nothing left to bitch about.
