Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson?

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I'm just giving my opinion. Am I happy to have RW? Absolutely. I just think Luck is a little better. There are a lot of posts on the topic. If you take Sea and Indy fans out of the equation, I don't think it would be very close. Again, just my opinion.
no problem with having an opinion, but when you say that Luck took a 2 win team to a playoff contender that's false


I got to agree, everyone knows they were tanking to get Luck. Right now I believe RW is better and the stats do support that. Now 2+ years from now who knows, to many things can happen, injures, trades, signings etc but right now Rw is better over all.
 

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Anthony!":rkp1dood said:
RiverDog":rkp1dood said:
The PI announced earlier this week that they're shutting down all the forums on Nov. 30th, so expect to see more of us PI regulars. Most have migrated to The Blue, but a few of us are posting in here.


I came here form the PI site also, and so far love it. Hey RD

How's it hang'in, Anthony! Nice to see you.
 

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RiverDog":3ikuc21q said:
Anthony!":3ikuc21q said:
RiverDog":3ikuc21q said:
The PI announced earlier this week that they're shutting down all the forums on Nov. 30th, so expect to see more of us PI regulars. Most have migrated to The Blue, but a few of us are posting in here.


I came here form the PI site also, and so far love it. Hey RD

How's it hang'in, Anthony! Nice to see you.

Hey to you Riv, how things going for you?
 

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Regarding Andrew Luck and the Colts.

Okay he took a 2-14 team and went 11-6.

The Colts also dismantled their whole team from FO, Coaching, and more than half their starters especially on offense.

Grison not only put together a great draft in 2012 hitting on many picks but they became an Island of Misfit toys in gathering veteran free agents, they spent cap space very wisely, adding about 10 vets to the core players they decided to keep guys like Wayne, Mathis, Veintari, Freeny plus others.

But the thing that made it much easier for Luck, was that it was his team, the Colts stocked half that team with Luck's peers, he was the number 1 draft pick, he was the franchise guy not only from day 1 but even before 3 weeks before the draft.

Sure the expectations to replace Manning were there but it wasn't a beast of burden... everyone made it out to be, Luck was comfortable in his role and I don't feel his performances were forced to overcome the Manning stigmata.

It was 100% Lucks team in 2012 from the beginning.

Everyone knows Wilson's story in comparison 3rd round pick, 75th overall, shared reps with TJack and Flynn which meant only a third of no. 1 reps. Won starting job but it didn't come with the team's respect especially when many players thought TJack was "the guy" but the team boots him for a 7th round pick and then crowns Wilson. Wilson had to earn every bit of his respect, it wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. And because of that it took half a season for the offense to find its chemistry and for 52 players minus Flynn to rally around Wilson as "the guy"

RUNNING GAME: Okay the Seahawks have Beastmode, its not a fair comparison.

Wrong: No offense but the Colts have had 4 starting RB the last two seasons with Luck, and 2 were former 1st round picks.

Colts hit on Vic Ballard, who had a solid rookie campaign.

Plus do-it-all RB, Donald Brown.

In 2013, Colts signed Ahmad Bradshaw, former starter for NYG to back up Ballard.

However, Ballard got hurt which led to the team eventually trading for Trent Richardson.

Are you seriously telling me the Colts can't doing anything with Ballard, Brown, Bradshaw, or Richardson and its unfair because Wilson has Marshawn Lynch.

Colts should have thought about that they could have took any RB in the draft with their '13 1st rounder...in hindsight...they could have traded down about 24 selections and still have their pick of any RB in the draft save for Giovanni Bernard taken 37th. A trade down like that would have netted a 3rd and 5th rounder in many cases.


With all that said it just comes down to the numbers and Wilson is just better. You can probably even compare the statistics against teams that have both played Wilson and Luck thus far in their careers and I'm sure Wilson will still overcome Luck.
 

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To The OP - Russell Wilson. Absolutley , the things he does off the field are just as important as on.

Wilson or Joe Montana ? - Wilson
Wilson or B.Farve ? - Wilson
Wilson or Brady ? - Wilson
Wilson or Manning - Wilson

that's just me . There is something special about finding a diamond in the rough and wanting to enjoy the ride. I would be so sad and kind of a Colts fan IF Wilson and Luck were traded for each other.
 

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HawkWow":nqroebwz said:
WilsonMVP":nqroebwz said:
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jagforlife85":nqroebwz said:
Good Morning Seahawk fans,

I've been debating with my fellow Jaguar fans on our message board.

I didn't know there's enough Jaguar fans to even have a debate. How about mass debation? .....but that's not even funny.

RW is my second favorite player in the game today (Lynch). As a person, I'd be happy if he married my daughter (not Lynch). I would trade my new son in law straight-up for Luck tomorrow. Don't be fooled by mere stats. Both players are remarkable, but there's a saying in boxing that applies almost everywhere else too: "a good little man seldom beats a good big man". I believe Luck will have a longer career than RW, that the sole reason for my decision.

Just 10% of this board would make that trade, I'd bet 90% of all GMs would. I believe Pete would be in that group, too. Someone commented "Pete likes a more mobile QB". That is incorrect and no better way to gauge this than by looking at the QBs he recruited at SC. In fact, and coincidently, I think Andrew Luck was the most mobile QB he ever recruited.

I am incredibly happy we have Wilson and Luck is the only QB alive, inc Rodgers, I would take in trade for him.

LOL pete trading Wilson, are you HIGH? I think he is in love with Wilson, they are almost identical in personality IMO and he is EXACTLY what Pete wants at QB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5nItcOazM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiSWskMbLgQ

Why yes, I am high. But that aside, you may want to entertain yourself with some actual research. Look at every QB Pete ever recruited. Are you delusional enough to believe that if Luck was sitting at 28 (?) when we picked, Pete would have passed on him?
Pete also recruited Tim Tebow, Aaron Corp, Garrett Green, Rocky Hinds and transferred in Brandon Hance after he initially went to Purdue for two years. All of them had varying degrees of running ability as well as passing ability as part of their game in high school. Tebow obviously was a runner. Corp was a dual-threat at Orange Lutheran and was slated to start before Barkley showed up and blew Pete away. Green ran for 1800 yards his last two years at Notre Dame Sherman Oaks. Hinds ran for nearly 500 yards his junior year of high school then blew out his knee in his senior year; he was also a track guy. Hance ran for about 900 yards his last two years of high school, and as a sophomore starter at Purdue was the team's third leading rusher.

Tebow choose Florida over USC and the other guys got beaten out in competition, but that doesn't mean that Pete was opposed to having a QB who could also run. He just never found that guy in a complete package until Russell.
 

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Anthony!":3mo40ito said:
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vonstout":3mo40ito said:
I'm just giving my opinion. Am I happy to have RW? Absolutely. I just think Luck is a little better. There are a lot of posts on the topic. If you take Sea and Indy fans out of the equation, I don't think it would be very close. Again, just my opinion.
no problem with having an opinion, but when you say that Luck took a 2 win team to a playoff contender that's false


I got to agree, everyone knows they were tanking to get Luck. Right now I believe RW is better and the stats do support that. Now 2+ years from now who knows, to many things can happen, injures, trades, signings etc but right now Rw is better over all.

I don't think they tanked. That team was just poorly built. Without Peyton, those flaws showed up and were magnified by the incredibly inept Curtis Painter.
 

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To The OP - Russell Wilson. Absolutley , the things he does off the field are just as important as on.

Wilson or Joe Montana ? - Wilson
Wilson or B.Farve ? - Wilson
Wilson or Brady ? - Wilson
Wilson or Manning - Wilson

that's just me . There is something special about finding a diamond in the rough and wanting to enjoy the ride. I would be so sad and kind of a Colts fan IF Wilson and Luck were traded for each other.

Now this, I can't get behind.
 

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-The Glove-":1tx14fda said:
Anthony!":1tx14fda said:
-The Glove-":1tx14fda said:
vonstout":1tx14fda said:
I'm just giving my opinion. Am I happy to have RW? Absolutely. I just think Luck is a little better. There are a lot of posts on the topic. If you take Sea and Indy fans out of the equation, I don't think it would be very close. Again, just my opinion.
no problem with having an opinion, but when you say that Luck took a 2 win team to a playoff contender that's false


I got to agree, everyone knows they were tanking to get Luck. Right now I believe RW is better and the stats do support that. Now 2+ years from now who knows, to many things can happen, injures, trades, signings etc but right now Rw is better over all.

I don't think they tanked. That team was just poorly built. Without Peyton, those flaws showed up and were magnified by the incredibly inept Curtis Painter.

I'm with you on this one...even considering Painter may have been purposely used as the fuel for the (alleged) tank. I've not seen many NFL QBs worse than Painter and that the sole reason I even remember his name. But "suck for Luck"?...I think they would have sucked, regardless.
 

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How many wins do the 2011 Seahawks... which finished 7-9 with Whitehurst and T. Jack... how many wins does that team have with Curtis Painter at QB? Significantly more than two? I don't think so.
 

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Bump for the amazing Luck and his 30 point drubbing to the Cards today.

He's special alright....
 

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EastCoastHawksFan":1520q5mt said:
To The OP - Russell Wilson. Absolutley , the things he does off the field are just as important as on.

Wilson or Joe Montana ? - Wilson
Wilson or B.Farve ? - Wilson
Wilson or Brady ? - Wilson
Wilson or Manning - Wilson

that's just me . There is something special about finding a diamond in the rough and wanting to enjoy the ride. I would be so sad and kind of a Colts fan IF Wilson and Luck were traded for each other.

Well said. I agree completely.

Edit to also include an agrement with Hawkpower. Luck sucked today. Wilson has never had a game quite like Luck had in AZ.
 

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Luck the last 3 games has had 2TD and 4INt O_O

He finally went below 80 rating too. Hes at 79.4 for his career. I wont argue about this anymore. Luck might be good next year or in a few years but RIGHT NOW he is clearly not better than Wilson
 

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sam1313":3dgux4h4 said:
EastCoastHawksFan":3dgux4h4 said:
To The OP - Russell Wilson. Absolutley , the things he does off the field are just as important as on.

Wilson or Joe Montana ? - Wilson
Wilson or B.Farve ? - Wilson
Wilson or Brady ? - Wilson
Wilson or Manning - Wilson

that's just me . There is something special about finding a diamond in the rough and wanting to enjoy the ride. I would be so sad and kind of a Colts fan IF Wilson and Luck were traded for each other.

Well said. I agree completely.

Edit to also include an agrement with Hawkpower. Luck sucked today. Wilson has never had a game quite like Luck had in AZ.


These are my feelings as well. Would not trade Wilson for any player past or present. In four decades of watching NFL football I have never been so exited to see what awaits me each Sunday. Admittedly this team as a whole is stacked in all three phases of the game, but Wilson is the dynamic element that makes me believe that this team can win on any Sunday in any situation. I think before all is said and done Wilson will outshine all those who came before him and I am just thankful to be along for the ride.
 

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-The Glove-":ogq61dhw said:
Anthony!":ogq61dhw said:
-The Glove-":ogq61dhw said:
vonstout":ogq61dhw said:
I'm just giving my opinion. Am I happy to have RW? Absolutely. I just think Luck is a little better. There are a lot of posts on the topic. If you take Sea and Indy fans out of the equation, I don't think it would be very close. Again, just my opinion.
no problem with having an opinion, but when you say that Luck took a 2 win team to a playoff contender that's false


I got to agree, everyone knows they were tanking to get Luck. Right now I believe RW is better and the stats do support that. Now 2+ years from now who knows, to many things can happen, injures, trades, signings etc but right now Rw is better over all.

I don't think they tanked. That team was just poorly built. Without Peyton, those flaws showed up and were magnified by the incredibly inept Curtis Painter.


Watch Denver over the next few years. I'm curious to see if they go through a similar drop after Peyton finishes. He has a tendency to dominate all the team's focus (see practice & garbage game time), thus leaving little for a heir apparent. Also, the offense's structure is predicated on someone of his ability. Probably won't be as bad as Indy.
 

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I'm just going to post this seasons projected stats on ESPN's player pages

Andrew Luck - 329/561 completions/attempts, 3,771 Yds, 58.5 completion %, 22 TD, 10 INT, 6.72 YPA, 84.3 QB Rating
Russell Wilson - 256/400 completions/attempts, 3,436 Yds, 64.0 completion %, 28 TD, 9 INT, 8.59 YPA, 105.1 QB Rating

I think it's obvious who I'd take.
 

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lobohawk":1sz93wm3 said:
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Anthony!":1sz93wm3 said:
-The Glove-":1sz93wm3 said:
vonstout said:
I'm just giving my opinion. Am I happy to have RW? Absolutely. I just think Luck is a little better. There are a lot of posts on the topic. If you take Sea and Indy fans out of the equation, I don't think it would be very close. Again, just my opinion.
no problem with having an opinion, but when you say that Luck took a 2 win team to a playoff contender that's false


I got to agree, everyone knows they were tanking to get Luck. Right now I believe RW is better and the stats do support that. Now 2+ years from now who knows, to many things can happen, injures, trades, signings etc but right now Rw is better over all.

I don't think they tanked. That team was just poorly built. Without Peyton, those flaws showed up and were magnified by the incredibly inept Curtis Painter.


Watch Denver over the next few years. I'm curious to see if they go through a similar drop after Peyton finishes. He has a tendency to dominate all the team's focus (see practice & garbage game time), thus leaving little for a heir apparent. Also, the offense's structure is predicated on someone of his ability. Probably won't be as bad as Indy.

Definitely not as bad as Indy. They have the personnel on each side of the ball. But you're right though, in a timing based offense, you can't just plug a QB in there. They'd drop at least half their games
 

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