2 Things About the Pats that make me feel confident

[Laloosh]

I've read a lot of good stuff in this thread regarding the physical aspect of this game. I'm curious if anyone has any solid comments on the speed of the Patriots front 7 since I have not really watched much of them this year. One of the keys in trying to contain RW IMO is speed in the front 7.

Thank you in advance for your comments.

I have watched some Pats games, they have plenty of physicality. On defense. On offense they have a few players who are damn tough, but overall if the run game isn't going well they abandon it for a short pass game that while plenty effective, isn't going to be real physical.

But your point is the one I like most. Their front 7 has some slowish linebackers. Team speed of our O vs their D is the biggest mismatch, Willson has a huge advantage, as does Lynch, if in a pass situation covered by a linebacker. Wilson scrambling or keeping a RO will be quite a test for them. In fact, our D also has quite a team speed advantage. I watched Edelman make Landry look like he had cement shoes, all I could thing was what a rude surprise Thomas will be for that guy.

Haven't watched a lot of their games but it seemed like they really lack pass rush and struggle with teams that can actually run the ball.

Alternatively, they seem to wreck teams that can't run the ball like indy and denver.

How do you think they fare against our play action game once Lynch gets going?

 

[olyfan63]

Trickery goes out the window when you get punched in the face.

I wish Jeff Fisher would get this memo.

Jeff Fisher was our inspiration. Ryan to Gilliam baby, for the score! Johnny Hekker, eat your heart out!

Actually, I think the tackle eligible play is a Bellycheck specialty. That play was a shot across the bow.

"Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan." - Amalgamation of random dudes throughout history

So now you want to add Belicheat as the "father" of the fake FG, lol? Belicheat donated some DNA to this baby?
OK, we'll go with Belicheat as a minor influence on the tackle-eligible "mechanics" of the play. Belicheat's gig, his "innovation" is more about trying to confuse the defense on who is eligible and who is not. Tackle-eligible catches have been around a long time and been involved in a lot of big plays.

Jeff Fisher and the Rams and their successful trick plays against us are clearly a more significant *Inspiration* for coming up with something as well-planned and well-executed as Ryan-to-Gilliam.
And have you looked at Johnny Hekker's passer rating?
"Career as a Rams passer: an astonishing rating of 156.3!!!!!! (4-5 60 yds 1 TD no INT)"
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,533785,533785

So, the desire to "give back" to the Rams, plus using your punter as a passer? Clearly Jeff Fisher & the Rams are an inspiration here to Pete & Co.

 

[Rob12]

Buffalo twice, Detroit, Baltimore, Jets twice. I think this team is very well prepared:

That is so cute. Really, man. Adorable.

That took about five minutes. I can post more later if you like. If you think you can match our physicality, good luck. All I know is Gronk better keep his head on a swivel. And we have already seen that movie where Seattle plays against undersized receivers. And, oh. That Marshawn gif is him running over a 300 pound defensive end like he's a paper bag floating in the wind.

Gonna be a hell of a game.

 

[Scottemojo]

I've read a lot of good stuff in this thread regarding the physical aspect of this game. I'm curious if anyone has any solid comments on the speed of the Patriots front 7 since I have not really watched much of them this year. One of the keys in trying to contain RW IMO is speed in the front 7.

Thank you in advance for your comments.

I have watched some Pats games, they have plenty of physicality. On defense. On offense they have a few players who are damn tough, but overall if the run game isn't going well they abandon it for a short pass game that while plenty effective, isn't going to be real physical.

But your point is the one I like most. Their front 7 has some slowish linebackers. Team speed of our O vs their D is the biggest mismatch, Willson has a huge advantage, as does Lynch, if in a pass situation covered by a linebacker. Wilson scrambling or keeping a RO will be quite a test for them. In fact, our D also has quite a team speed advantage. I watched Edelman make Landry look like he had cement shoes, all I could thing was what a rude surprise Thomas will be for that guy.

Haven't watched a lot of their games but it seemed like they really lack pass rush and struggle with teams that can actually run the ball.

Alternatively, they seem to wreck teams that can't run the ball like indy and denver.

How do you think they fare against our play action game once Lynch gets going?

They are 30th on covering tight ends. They are awful covering running backs who catch passes.

Indy and Denver won't run the ball. I know why you say can't, but those two teams are so ready to quit on it it's hard to credit New England with the stop. A lot of teams do that.

What do most teams do to gameplan the Pats? They try to figure out how they are going to get 35 points and beat Tom Brady. Included in that thought is giving up on the run. The Pats don't see a lot of third and 4th quarter runs as a result. Their run stopping is an illusion.

Which is why the pats struggle so much with teams like the Jets and Chiefs. And they will struggle even more with us. It isn't our running impact that is what they fear, it is our running committment.

The Pats fans poopoo the Chiefs loss as an aberation, but that team is strong everywhere the Pats are weak. KC does not rely on it's WRs to make plays, is TE and RB centric in the pass game, and has a great pass rush with above average CBs and safeties, at least before their safety got cancer. And they won't quit running. And neither will we.

I have flipped a ton of shit Bevell's way this year, I hate his high school pass game and his tendency to run the ball until he gets to the 25. But his committment to the run vs GB was patient and relentless, and they eventually caved in. We can win this game if they stop Lynch, but we can't win if we give up on the run (and play action with it).

 

[sutz]

Jeff Fisher was our inspiration. Ryan to Gilliam baby, for the score! Johnny Hekker, eat your heart out!

Actually, I think the tackle eligible play is a Bellycheck specialty. That play was a shot across the bow.

"Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan." - Amalgamation of random dudes throughout history

So now you want to add Belicheat as the "father" of the fake FG, lol? Belicheat donated some DNA to this baby?
OK, we'll go with Belicheat as a minor influence on the tackle-eligible "mechanics" of the play. Belicheat's gig, his "innovation" is more about trying to confuse the defense on who is eligible and who is not. Tackle-eligible catches have been around a long time and been involved in a lot of big plays.

Jeff Fisher and the Rams and their successful trick plays against us are clearly a more significant *Inspiration* for coming up with something as well-planned and well-executed as Ryan-to-Gilliam.
And have you looked at Johnny Hekker's passer rating?
"Career as a Rams passer: an astonishing rating of 156.3!!!!!! (4-5 60 yds 1 TD no INT)"
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,533785,533785

So, the desire to "give back" to the Rams, plus using your punter as a passer? Clearly Jeff Fisher & the Rams are an inspiration here to Pete & Co.

Easy, son. You're talking to a Seahawks fan here. You know, that team that had the fake field goal down in the early days to where they could send the kicker (Herrera) out on a pass route as a decoy.

I never said that Belichick 'invented' tackle eligible. I said he uses it a lot (paraphrasing). The 'shot across the bow' comment is merely stating-to NE-that hey, we can do that shit, too. If you want to credit the Lambs somehow, go for it. Sure, our guys watch film and are not above stealing ideas from other teams that might work. In retrospect, it's kind of obvious. Gilliam used to play TE and Ryan was a QB in an earlier life. We play NE this coming Sunday. We won't play the Lambs until at least next September. The real 'message' is not thanks for past concepts, but a warning to the next opponent.

 

[ptisme]

As a Packers fan I will comment on this game based on what I've seen from my team playing both.

When the Patriots have the ball. I don't see them scoring many points. Their offensive line isn't nearly as good as GB's and I think you will be able to pressure Brady the way KC did. It's a bit shocking watching nearly every single pass they throw seems to be dink and dunk. I think Seattle has the closing speed to keep that in check.

When the Seahawks have the ball: If Wilson plays the way he did against GB you will lose. Belicheck won't take his foot off your throat like McCarthy did in that fourth quarter. But I don't see Wilson playing like that again and I see him and Lynch getting just enough done to win a close ball game.

Superbowl MVP: LOB....

 

[olyfan63]

Jeff Fisher was our inspiration. Ryan to Gilliam baby, for the score! Johnny Hekker, eat your heart out!

Actually, I think the tackle eligible play is a Bellycheck specialty. That play was a shot across the bow.

"Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan." - Amalgamation of random dudes throughout history

So now you want to add Belicheat as the "father" of the fake FG, lol? Belicheat donated some DNA to this baby?
OK, we'll go with Belicheat as a minor influence on the tackle-eligible "mechanics" of the play. Belicheat's gig, his "innovation" is more about trying to confuse the defense on who is eligible and who is not. Tackle-eligible catches have been around a long time and been involved in a lot of big plays.

Jeff Fisher and the Rams and their successful trick plays against us are clearly a more significant *Inspiration* for coming up with something as well-planned and well-executed as Ryan-to-Gilliam.
And have you looked at Johnny Hekker's passer rating?
"Career as a Rams passer: an astonishing rating of 156.3!!!!!! (4-5 60 yds 1 TD no INT)"
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,533785,533785

So, the desire to "give back" to the Rams, plus using your punter as a passer? Clearly Jeff Fisher & the Rams are an inspiration here to Pete & Co.

Easy, son. You're talking to a Seahawks fan here. You know, that team that had the fake field goal down in the early days to where they could send the kicker (Herrera) out on a pass route as a decoy.

I never said that Belichick 'invented' tackle eligible. I said he uses it a lot (paraphrasing). The 'shot across the bow' comment is merely stating-to NE-that hey, we can do that shit, too. If you want to credit the Lambs somehow, go for it. Sure, our guys watch film and are not above stealing ideas from other teams that might work. In retrospect, it's kind of obvious. Gilliam used to play TE and Ryan was a QB in an earlier life. We play NE this coming Sunday. We won't play the Lambs until at least next September. The real 'message' is not thanks for past concepts, but a warning to the next opponent.

Jon Ryan was a WR in college, RB in HS, no QB ever. (You're probably thinking Rams punter Johnny Hekker, who was a HS QB). Gilliam did play lots of TE, and it seems Seattle has been using him lots lately at the "Mike Tice Outside Tackle" position. I'm sure a longtime 'Hawks fan like you remembers that one, and I bet you probably even know the name of the "restaurant" Tice owned in Seattle.

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... e/jon-ryan
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/seattle-sea ... igh-school

Good point about the Efren Herrera days of fake FG's.

It's just so satisfying to see Seattle on the long end of a successful trick play. The Rams have had such unbelievable success against us, and stolen wins in 2 games the last 3 years. The player at the sideline who didn't sub out and caught a TD, the "Return Right" that was actually a return left for a TD; that was some creative and well-executed stuff. the Ryan-to-Gilliam play was extremely well-executed, especially by Ryan, who had some tricky timing and reads he had to get just right, and he did.