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Don't know how many of you have followed the Hawks since the mid 80's but I can't help but be reminded of the 1985 season. That was the year the Hawks had this high of expectations (with the exception of maybe 2004) and were to make and win the Super Bowl by many pundits, including the famous "Playboy" football issue. The media around here were just salivating that thier beloved Hawks were the talk of the NFL. Even the late Wayne Cody had a speical which had Ron Essink and Reggie McKenzie on it talking about the upcoming season. It was almost embarrassing but god bless 'em.

Anyhow, the reason I bring it up, as I stated earlier, is because the expectations were just as high then as they are now. We had bascially the same team return from 1984 (this was all before free agency when true dynasties could be built) and we had the return of a healthy Curt Warner (much of the reason we were favored). We had a great defense and Dave Krieg, god bless him, was considered on his way up after a Pro Bowl season.

However, as many of you know, that was the infamous 2-2 season.....2 wins, 2 losses....onto an 8-8 record. They bascially collaspsed. Could not handle the presusre. I ran out of fingers on both hands counting how many times Darryl Turner had mental errors. And much of what made them successful in '84, they went away from. They became more of a passing team in '84 with the loss of Warner. But, with his return, Knox, I guess, figured they could go back to the basics and I think that hurt the team. Plus the fact that Warner was not the "Warner" of 1983. He seemed fatigued and did not seem to handle the load like he did the previous season. (1986, he was a stud but that was after a off season of regular rest...not the relenting demands of "Rehab"). There could also be something said that that year, '85, they reduced roster levels back down to, I believe, 49 players and they may have hurt the Hawks.

Either way, my concern with this team, as talanted as they are, ARE young. Aside from Wilson, who could withstand the pressures of the Marinas Trench, it will be interesting the see how the dymanics play out. I like youth but that can be a double edged sword. Do you replace a veteran at a higher priced tag for a younger, cheaper evenally matched player who, when it comes to crunch time, may not have the mental toughness or savy that is required. This is not saying I don't want them to do well. But, youth can have it's downside when it comes to experience and having the short term memory you often need in this profession.

Just would like to know what anyone thinks.
 

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Welcome to Seahawks.net

You've mentioned some of the things that some are worried about but think we have a different mindset and staff now than we did then.

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Welcome to .net !

I think the biggest thing that alleviates a lot of my worry about the hype is the depth we have in our team, at almost every area. FS, QB and maybe a rash of injuries to WR (with guys already being dinged up) and Miller not being able to come back, would be about the only thing that could derail the season, and even then, it would take us from a borderline elite team to just a very very good one.

Russell has also had a lot of late game heroics for us, and this team believes it can come back from almost anything. Trust me, I remember those expectations, and thinking my Hawks had finally arrived and made it through the growing pains of being a new franchise, only to see hope dashed. And dashed, and dashed, over and over again through the years. It's why I'm hesitant to get too excited about things, but I just can't help it
 

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hawk79":tdwclb49 said:
Don't know how many of you have followed the Hawks since the mid 80's but I can't help but be reminded of the 1985 season. That was the year the Hawks had this high of expectations (with the exception of maybe 2004) and were to make and win the Super Bowl by many pundits, including the famous "Playboy" football issue. The media around here were just salivating that thier beloved Hawks were the talk of the NFL. Even the late Wayne Cody had a speical which had Ron Essink and Reggie McKenzie on it talking about the upcoming season. It was almost embarrassing but god bless 'em.

Anyhow, the reason I bring it up, as I stated earlier, is because the expectations were just as high then as they are now. We had bascially the same team return from 1984 (this was all before free agency when true dynasties could be built) and we had the return of a healthy Curt Warner (much of the reason we were favored). We had a great defense and Dave Krieg, god bless him, was considered on his way up after a Pro Bowl season.

However, as many of you know, that was the infamous 2-2 season.....2 wins, 2 losses....onto an 8-8 record. They bascially collaspsed. Could not handle the presusre. I ran out of fingers on both hands counting how many times Darryl Turner had mental errors. And much of what made them successful in '84, they went away from. They became more of a passing team in '84 with the loss of Warner. But, with his return, Knox, I guess, figured they could go back to the basics and I think that hurt the team. Plus the fact that Warner was not the "Warner" of 1983. He seemed fatigued and did not seem to handle the load like he did the previous season. (1986, he was a stud but that was after a off season of regular rest...not the relenting demands of "Rehab"). There could also be something said that that year, '85, they reduced roster levels back down to, I believe, 49 players and they may have hurt the Hawks.

Either way, my concern with this team, as talanted as they are, ARE young. Aside from Wilson, who could withstand the pressures of the Marinas Trench, it will be interesting the see how the dymanics play out. I like youth but that can be a double edged sword. Do you replace a veteran at a higher priced tag for a younger, cheaper evenally matched player who, when it comes to crunch time, may not have the mental toughness or savy that is required. This is not saying I don't want them to do well. But, youth can have it's downside when it comes to experience and having the short term memory you often need in this profession.

Just would like to know what anyone thinks.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some of the same concerns. Expectations are very difficult to play with. Injuries can very quickly make a SB contender a non-playoff team (Brady went down with the knee injury and they failed to make the playoffs). We've already struggled with injuries- here's to hoping for a healthy 2013 for all teams.
 

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Pete Carroll>Ground Chuck.
Russell Wilson>Dave Krieg.

This isn't the same team as 1984/1985 by any means. Sure we are a young team, but most of the players are hitting their prime or are at their prime. The D is stacked and on offense, our QB plays the mental game like 10 year vet (which is 95% of the battle on offense). Simply put, I feel this team has a lot more 2005 in them than 1984/85, but with that said I think they are better than the '05 team overall and can win a Superbowl if we stay healthy and the team plays solid.
 

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Every year is different.

The Hawks are well positioned to do well this year and as fans, we have high expectations.

What's different from other years, 1985 included, is the unprecedented (in Seahawks history) leadership of Russell Wilson... and the depth of talent of this team on both sides of the ball, especially the O-line and the D-line (the cornerstone positions of the NFL after the QB).

This team is positioned for greatness.

Enjoy the ride. I will. :th2thumbs:
 

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Remember it well :( buuutt that was then this is now :D :0190l: :th2thumbs:
 

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Welcome!

The 1984 team was unprecedented in NFL post merger HISTORY. But not because of the offense - it was the DEFENSE. When you GET 63 opponent turnovers in a season...it's hard not to win a few games. That is something (at that level) that is not sustainable. Maybe it inflated expectations.
 

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SHOCKER315":3a6dlk10 said:
I jumped back to those articles real quick to check if my memory was correct and it was.

One of the main points was "regressing to the mean". There really wasn't any way that 84 team's INSANE +24 turnover ration could be sustained. Plus, our depth is something that isn't comparable to any Seahawks team ever. Pete just referenced our depth and how much we'll see evidence of that through the rest of the preseason on Brock and Danny this morning.

And of course we have...Russell......last name Wilson. That's really all that needs to be said.
 

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"1985, a number, another summer (get down!) Sound of a funky drummer. Music hittin' your heart 'cause I know you got SOUL
(brothers and sistahs!)!"

Sorry - My first thought when I read the thread title.
 

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Great post and welcome.

I would be more concerned had we not had our playoff run last year. If we were purely hyped on talent without being tested, I could easily draw parallels. However, I think winning those games on the road in CHI and WAS and coming back in dramatic fashion in ATL showed we have the fortitude and poise to go deep in the playoffs. We have a team, that although young, know the pressure and intensity of big road games. They are one year older, one year more experienced and quite frankly more talented personnel wise than last year.

This is football and the ball can bounce funny ways any given Sunday, so sure it's quite possible that this team doesn't win a Super Bowl this year. But 8-8 and miss the playoffs? Can't see it happening barring injury to #3. No way!

ps. A side note......I remember that 1985 Playboy. My good friends older brother had it in his room and I (13 or so) was caught looking at it by his Mom. The funny part is I was actually reading the damn Seahawks article and not looking at the chicks! Well, I hadn't got to the girls yet because the first thing I did was read about the Hawks, LOL
 

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If Colin Kaepernick can take a team to the superbowl, I know RW can. I'm not a psychologist so I can't speak to their mental resiliency, but I can tell you that the maturity level of RW is well beyond Kaepernick.
 

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I'm not sure there are too many similarities between the two teams, but yes I am a little worried about the hype.

Mainly because we play in the toughest division in football, where all four teams might just beat the crap out of each other and keep the Hawks from winning the West. Even the Cards IMO have a good enough defense and an improved offense with Palmer not making mistakes to make any game close.

So yes, if we lose 3-4 close divisional games, it could mean going on the road again in the playoffs where anything can happen.
 

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Back to the Future. No wait, Top Gun. Wait, no, that was 1986. OK, Back to the Future, then. :mrgreen:

I was not a Hawks fan til I moved to Seattle in 2000, so I really enjoy the memories of you all who were around back in the day.
 

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Sgt. Largent":3urwu826 said:
I'm not sure there are too many similarities between the two teams, but yes I am a little worried about the hype.

Mainly because we play in the toughest division in football, where all four teams might just beat the crap out of each other and keep the Hawks from winning the West. Even the Cards IMO have a good enough defense and an improved offense with Palmer not making mistakes to make any game close.

So yes, if we lose 3-4 close divisional games, it could mean going on the road again in the playoffs where anything can happen.
In the mid 80's the AFC West was the 'toughest division in football' most years. Raiders at their apogee, KC a red hell to play in, and Denver mile high with Elway on the upswing. Hell, we had a season or two where we won 10 games and stayed home.

Just sayin'. :229031_shrug:

It is what it is. Bring 'em on!
 

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It bothers me when our team gets so much hype. I wasn't born yet to go through the '85 season, but I do remember the '04 season.

SI was picking us to go to the Superbowl. Hasselbeck and Alexander. We finished 9-7 and lost to the 8-8 Rams in the Wildcard.

It was the next season when we were overlooked that we went to the Superbowl.

Don't get me wrong, I love seeing our team on ESPN and all over magazines, but we haven't had a team YET to meet expectations.

I really hope this is the team to break that trend and meet if not exceed expectations.
 

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McG":es2u6cld said:
Pete Carroll>Ground Chuck.
Russell Wilson>Dave Krieg.

This isn't the same team as 1984/1985 by any means. Sure we are a young team, but most of the players are hitting their prime or are at their prime. The D is stacked and on offense, our QB plays the mental game like 10 year vet (which is 95% of the battle on offense). Simply put, I feel this team has a lot more 2005 in them than 1984/85, but with that said I think they are better than the '05 team overall and can win a Superbowl if we stay healthy and the team plays solid.
I agree, Russell Wilson is much better than Dave Krieg. What will be important for Seattle is stopping the run. If Seattle can't do that - then that will negate Russell Wilson's explosive offense by sidelining him with ball control offense.
 

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Its natural for a longtime fan to temper expectations. The disappointments always cut deeper than the victories. I don't really have expectations anymore as much as I recognize this is a potentially very good squad this year.
 

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