For the EIGHTH consecutive year...

[SoulfishHawk]

In their press conference, he said they had a few trade downs set, but teams kept trading up ahead of them. They also only wanted to move down a few spots.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

For sooooo many reasons, I am not a sold out fan of JS. However, the trash bag seems to come out on top...and he just won a super bowl. It hurts me, but give him a chance

Sarcasm??? Dude took TWO separate rosters and turned them into SB champs. He hired Mike. He just picked up a hell of a RB with the last pick of a fairly weak draft. This team just got better.

 

[GemCity]

Sarcasm??? Dude took TWO separate rosters and turned them into SB champs. He hired Mike. He just picked up a hell of a RB with the last pick of a fairly weak draft. This team just got better.

Agreed! No matter if you prefer first round value selections (DBs, D-Line/Edge) or BPA….

…..we just filled the biggest HOLE on our roster.

I would’ve went a different way but, how can you not love this pick? How can you NOT trust JS and MM?

They could’ve drafted a one legged kicker and I’d be like ‘I bet this summabitch can hit 80 yarders’.

JS and MM have earned our loyalty.

Price is going to rip shit up. Guaranteed he will have a better season than Love.

#AllIn

 

[AnimeAmore]

...we did NOT trade down with our first round pick. And that's with picking at #32 in a year where we have just four picks total, and with the six picks before ours - and eight of the last nine - all being traded.

It might not be our thing anymore.

Schneider has shown poor judgment in the first throughout his tenure. He turns down trades because he didn't think he was getting good enough value, then he wastes the 1st rounder. It's been his MO.
I love what he does after the first round, but he's been really bad with his 1st rounders, whether he's trading them for veterans (Harvin, Graham, Adams) or using them because he rejected the trade offers to move out of 1st round. After all these years he still hasn't been able to fix his terrible approach to the 1st round.

 

[GemCity]

Schneider has shown poor judgment in the first throughout his tenure. He turns down trades because he didn't think he was getting good enough value, then he wastes the 1st rounder. It's been his MO.
I love what he does after the first round, but he's been really bad with his 1st rounders, whether he's trading them for veterans (Harvin, Graham, Adams) or using them because he rejected the trade offers to move out of 1st round. After all these years he still hasn't been able to fix his terrible approach to the 1st round.

Ifedi, Penny, and the worst of those..Collier. How many of those were Pete’s guys? JS didn’t have ultimate authority…PC did. Perhaps we’ll never be able to answer that.

The selections that we know JS had ultimate authority on have been phenomenal.

TLDR: you trippin’ bruddha!

 

[ivotuk]

These last couple drafts are his first ones where HE has final say, rather than Pete Carroll.

Thism this, and ONLY this!

Plus, John and Pete would go crazy for trading down, and everyone knew it!

After the Charlie Whitehurst debacle where the Charges GM said "We got steak for scrap!" it was known that Seattle was so desperrate to trade for more picks that you could offer garbage, and they'd snap it up.

So John had to change that, and even when we only had 3 picks, he refused to accept crap trade downs. Now the reputation is changing, he's earned respect, enough respect that they finally voted him Executive of the Year.

Now I wonder if the reputation of "Steak for Scrap" sabotaged John's chances at Executive of the Year.

The proof of John's "Elite Executiverness" is in the last couple of drafts, especially the 1st round picks

 

[IndyHawk]

Schneider has shown poor judgment in the first throughout his tenure. He turns down trades because he didn't think he was getting good enough value, then he wastes the 1st rounder. It's been his MO.
I love what he does after the first round, but he's been really bad with his 1st rounders, whether he's trading them for veterans (Harvin, Graham, Adams) or using them because he rejected the trade offers to move out of 1st round. After all these years he still hasn't been able to fix his terrible approach to the 1st round.

You act like "Pete" wasn't behind any of that, he was JS boss for a long time,
it all went through "Pete".

 

[IndyHawk]

Anyone think maybe the past trade downs were for "Pete's clues"?

 

[LeveeBreak]

Ifedi, Penny, and the worst of those..Collier. How many of those were Pete’s guys? JS didn’t have ultimate authority…PC did. Perhaps we’ll never be able to answer that.

The selections that we know JS had ultimate authority on have been phenomenal.

TLDR: you trippin’ bruddha!

This^^^^

Pete had ultimate authority and his prints were on many of the historically busted trades as well.

My totally uncorroborated understanding is...

1. Jody's phase out from Pete to JS started a 2-3 years before PC's exit. The drama created by Me3 was all on Pete...he lost several critical players in the locker room and never recovered. With the culture lost, PC tried different ways to remain relevant...overthinking situations and taking chances on flawed prospects. Russ requesting PC & JS be terminated, after Caroll had supported him so long, had to put the dark cloud over PC's judgement with mangaement.

2. JS's exceptional execution on the Wilson trade bought him credibility and the upper hand in decision authority.

He nailed the Big Cat trade and turned Wilson's haul into a massive improvement:

Original Pick	Player Selected	Current Status & Impact
2022 1st (9th)	Charles Cross (OT)	A cornerstone starter at left tackle who has started nearly every game since being drafted.
2023 1st (5th)	Devon Witherspoon (CB)	An elite, 3-time Pro Bowl cornerback and 2025 All-Pro who is the "focal point" of the defense.
2022 2nd (40th)	Boye Mafe (DE)	A core edge rusher who led the team in sacks during his breakout 2023 season.
2023 2nd (37th)	Derick Hall (OLB)	A regular in the edge rotation who recently recorded two sacks in the Super Bowl.
2022 5th (145th)	Tyreke Smith (DE) & Dareke Young (WR)	Seattle traded pick 145 to the Chiefs for picks 158 and 233. Young remains a core special teams player.

3. With the impressive pivot, Jody had all she needed to make a decision on moving the org forward and gave JS the reigns.

Since then, trades using high-end picks have worked out mostly positive (Jones and Shahid...both signed to long-term contracts...no rentals).

The only flop was Howell (3rd/5th)...in an attempt to find a QB.

Getting a 2nd for DK & 3rd for Geno is now universally seen as brilliant strategic execution.



Just not sure how you pin past errors on JS...the buck stopped at PC, not JS.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Schneider has shown poor judgment in the first throughout his tenure. He turns down trades because he didn't think he was getting good enough value, then he wastes the 1st rounder. It's been his MO.
I love what he does after the first round, but he's been really bad with his 1st rounders, whether he's trading them for veterans (Harvin, Graham, Adams) or using them because he rejected the trade offers to move out of 1st round. After all these years he still hasn't been able to fix his terrible approach to the 1st round.

Wait, you somehow KNOW about trades that be turns down

Terrible approach??? Ok....

OKUNG, EARL, CARPENTER, IRVIN, CROSS, SPOON, JSN, BYRON MURPHY.

All 1st round picks. JS is a beast.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

...we did NOT trade down with our first round pick. And that's with picking at #32 in a year where we have just four picks total, and with the six picks before ours - and eight of the last nine - all being traded.

It might not be our thing anymore.

JS talked about it before and after our pick. He wanted to trade down and had options until they all traded ahead of us. He made it no secret, as usual, trading back was plan A but you need a partner to tango with. Doesn't mean it's not our thing, just means it didn't come to fruition.

 

[Rat]

JS talked about it before and after our pick. He wanted to trade down and had options until they all traded ahead of us. He made it no secret, as usual, trading back was plan A but you need a partner to tango with. Doesn't mean it's not our thing, just means it didn't come to fruition.

Im aware, that's what he often does. Every year people assume we're going to trade down for some reason, but Schneider doesn't do it just to do it, and he hasn't felt comfortable pulling that trigger in a surprisingly long time now.

 

[BigMeach]

...we did NOT trade down with our first round pick. And that's with picking at #32 in a year where we have just four picks total, and with the six picks before ours - and eight of the last nine - all being traded.

It might not be our thing anymore.

I just think we have liked the pick available more than the value of trade possible. I don't think it's a "We are going to do it this way always" thing. Drafts are just too liquid to be that locked on what you're going to do.