Public service announcement for jaded 49ers fans...

[hawker84]

That would be me. Winning the division title and the conference reg season title is succeeding at obtaining the first two of my team goals. If that is the extent of our success this year I'll take it and be happy about it. Whatever else happens will be gravy for me, and I will happily accept that too. I love good gravy. I will also enjoy whatever success we have in squashing the Niners hopes for now and the future. Same goes for the Rams.

I would take a conference championship game, and a chance to go to the SB over a division banner and regular season win title all day every day. But that's just me. I knew we had a championship caliber team right after the draft and free agency, so anything less will be disappointing to me.

I didnt expect 14 wins, but i expected to win the division. Anything less than winning the conference will be a failed season to me. And quite frankly, the SB, because we're better than any team in the AFC. Getting there will be the hardest part. Because the best three teams in the league are in the NFC. I'm sure the players feel the same way too. At least I hope they do.

If the 9ers or rams go on to win it all, that division banner won't mean a damn thing. You think their fanbase will care about a division banner when they're hoisting the conference banner and maybe Championship banner?
But like some posters above said. Some folks are cool with mediocrity, and that's cool too.

 

[chris98251]

Winning a division such as the one we are in where separation is the bounce of a ball, or a bad Officials call, wind blowing at the wrong time is just the first stage. Mediocrity is a team that wins but fades when it matters. That type of team was what we had the last few years with Pete, good but not able to rise above the next tier.

We have had a division that has had highly competitive teams for 40 years, Rams, 49ers, us and a few times the Cardinals, as a division I think we have represented in the Superbowl more than any other division. This year we have teams that any given day can beat each other. Some of the best defenses in football right now, and most creative offenses.

Why do you think the coaching search is heavily interviewing this divisions assistants and OC, DC's.

Those that think winning consistently are entitled, be a Cards fan, Browns, Lions, Jets, historically losing for decades with maybe a brief window of winning if they were lucky, Lions recent success has been waited on for like 35 years.

 

[Dolomight12]

49er fans are a lot like the Patriot fans with a difference. The Patriots actually have won Super Bowls.

To shut them up ask them when it was they last actually won a SB. Their QB then was Steve Young, the year was 1995. It’s been 30 years of frustration and that is going to continue.

F- the 49ers! I actually hate them just as much as I hate the freaking Rams.

You saying that they gotta watch dusty VHS tapes of their last Bowl? Collldddd Blooded!

 

[Welshers2]

The thing is though, none of the realists said Carroll never did anything right. They simply said, based on his faults and apparent inability or unwillingness to evolve, that we would be stuck in what we were seeing as long as he was here. Some of us were saying it for near a decade. Some people were okay with mediocrity. Some people were wanting the team to take the necessary risk to get back to what it was at the beginning of Pete's time here. That isn't Pete hate, it is wanting a shot at the championship instead of just barely winning every year.

Thats the thing though, we did win a championship with Pete. And its OK to think back on him warmly and appreciate all he did for the team, including what he contributed to this very team.

Clearly now, from a winning standpoint, moving on ended up being the correct decision and those of you who wanted him gone were correct (I was always pro Pete, can admit the best decision was made).

But the disdain some people have for him i dont really get. There are people on here who can't get over a lot of things about hose time here. Personally, im grateful for the good and the first Championship he brought us.

The game passed him by in the end. But that doesnt make him a villain.

 

[JustTheTip]

Thats the thing though, we did win a championship with Pete. And its OK to think back on him warmly and appreciate all he did for the team, including what he contributed to this very team.

Clearly now, from a winning standpoint, moving on ended up being the correct decision and those of you who wanted him gone were correct (I was always pro Pete, can admit the best decision was made).

But the disdain some people have for him i dont really get. There are people on here who can't get over a lot of things about hose time here. Personally, im grateful for the good and the first Championship he brought us.

The game passed him by in the end. But that doesnt make him a villain.

The disdain probably comes from being called an idiot for seven years for pointing out the obvious. For the record I have zero disdain for him. Though I don’t think he ever had a great system, he was exactly the right person at exactly the right time for this franchise.

Also for the record, the game passed him by at around the 1/3 mark when he made it mantras not matter by failing to apply them in all situations. Once he lost the motivational component (as well as a portion of the superior talent) there was little chance of recovery.

 

[Welshers2]

The disdain probably comes from being called an idiot for seven years for pointing out the obvious. For the record I have zero disdain for him. Though I don’t think he ever had a great system, he was exactly the right person at exactly the right time for this franchise.

Also for the record, the game passed him by at around the 1/3 mark when he made it mantras not matter by failing to apply them in all situations. Once he lost the motivational component (as well as a portion of the superior talent) there was little chance of recovery

Just because people disagreed with you doesnt mean they are calling you an idiot! thats my problem wirh all the Pete and Geno discourse! People acted like anyone who had the other view point was an imbecile devil. Trust me I was brutally flamed on here many times for backing Geno. And maybe I was wrong from a football perspective but i was called all sorts of names

 

[JustTheTip]

Just because people disagreed with you doesnt mean they are calling you an idiot! thats my problem wirh all the Pete and Geno discourse! People acted like anyone who had the other view point was an imbecile devil. Trust me I was brutally flamed on here many times for backing Geno. And maybe I was wrong from a football perspective but i was called all sorts of names

Oh, believe me. They were calling anybody who dare call out Pete an idiot.

 

[hawker84]

Thats the thing though, we did win a championship with Pete. And its OK to think back on him warmly and appreciate all he did for the team, including what he contributed to this very team.

Clearly now, from a winning standpoint, moving on ended up being the correct decision and those of you who wanted him gone were correct (I was always pro Pete, can admit the best decision was made).

But the disdain some people have for him i dont really get. There are people on here who can't get over a lot of things about hose time here. Personally, im grateful for the good and the first Championship he brought us.

The game passed him by in the end. But that doesnt make him a villain.

I don't like him as a person, never have, and that goes back to the shady sh*t he pulled at USC. I have always got greasy used car salesman vibes from him, where I knew every word out if his mouth was a lie.

The last 8, 9 years here made me dislike him as a coach as well. I will always give him some credit for the LOB days. But the years following, he was the reason we were stuck in mediocrity.

 

[Welshers2]

Oh, believe me. They were calling anybody who dare call out Pete an idiot.

I believe you but it was vice versa as well! Not saying you did this but people got angry and flamed both sides of the argument. It should never have been a personal thing just a football disagreement!

 

[pmedic920]

Just because people disagreed with you doesnt mean they are calling you an idiot! thats my problem wirh all the Pete and Geno discourse! People acted like anyone who had the other view point was an imbecile devil. Trust me I was brutally flamed on here many times for backing Geno. And maybe I was wrong from a football perspective but i was called all sorts of names

Identify with something and then considering the other option an evil thing is probably the biggest problem facing our society today.

It has become the “norm” , and I see no end in sight.

It actually saddens me.

 

[hawker84]

Oh, believe me. They were calling anybody who dare call out Pete an idiot.

Yep, I was one of them. Got called out for backing RW and Geno while they were here as well. Still do. I was calling for Pete's head back in 2016. But, but he won 10 games. And? Are there 10 game banners hanging in the raptors?

Macdonald when all said and done, will be judged on the championships he brought to this franchise, not his win totals. Not division banners. Winning the division is the first step to a goal. It should never be the goal.

He was brought here for one thing, to win championships. So was Pete, and to his credit he did it once, then failed miserably ever since. And that's why they finally showed him the door. 7 years too late far as im concerned.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

The disdain probably comes from being called an idiot for seven years for pointing out the obvious?

So you were calling for Pete to be fired...in 2016?

I mean, that really was way too early to be writing him off. Miss the Super Bowl twice despite playoff wins every year and now we're ready to dump him?

By early 2022, I could at least understand. They'd missed the playoffs entirely going 7-10, Russ was gone, the Jamal Adams trade had sapped a whole draft's worth, rhe defense was gutted, and things were bleak. (Of course, then Pete and John had their best draft in years, then went and got Big Cat midseason.)

But 2016? That really would be "what have you done for me lately" syndrome.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Yep, I was one of them. Got called out for backing RW and Geno while they were here as well. Still do. I was calling for Pete's head back in 2016. But, but he won 10 games. And? Are there 10 game banners hanging in the raptors?

Won playoff games, too. I suppose you were just going to conveniently omit that important perspective?

 

[hawker84]

Won playoff games, too. I suppose you were just going to conveniently omit that important perspective?

Don't see any one and done playoff banners either.

I get it you're a Pete fan, i have zero problem with that. I am not. We're not going to change each other's opinions on the matter regardless.

We can respectfully agree to disagree. Or you can continue to attack folks that dont share your opinion. Either way, Go Hawks.....

 

[JustTheTip]

So you were calling for Pete to be fired...in 2016?

I mean, that really was way too early to be writing him off. Miss the Super Bowl twice despite playoff wins every year and now we're ready to dump him?

By early 2022, I could at least understand. They'd missed the playoffs entirely going 7-10, Russ was gone, the Jamal Adams trade had sapped a whole draft's worth, rhe defense was gutted, and things were bleak. (Of course, then Pete and John had their best draft in years, then went and got Big Cat midseason.)

But 2016? That really would be "what have you done for me lately" syndrome.

I disagree it was too early. In fact, in hindsight I would even say the cracks were starting to become visible before the Super Bowl loss.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I disagree it was too early. In fact, in hindsight I would even say the cracks were starting to become visible before the Super Bowl loss.

Guessing that a given head coach won't reach the Super Bowl in any given year, is similar to me predicting that Sam Darnold won't. It's a pretty safe prediction to make, given that 31 out of 32 QBs fail to do so any given year, and it doesn't exactly make me Nostradamus or entitle me to a parade if I'm right.

On the other hand, I say continuing to keep faith in him was probably the gamble that required more...undergirding. And there was some readily available: the fact that he'd done it just a few years prior, twice. Only three active coaches at the time could lay claim to that.

So I suppose I see your guess as just that, a guess. The fact that you were proven right doesn't really merit a tidal wave of validation. It just means that Carroll went the way of 99% of head coaches down through history after 2016. Nice guess, Cleo's of the world.

 

[CouchLogic]