Raiders and Geno reach an agreement

[Sperrydogg]

I played touch football with him once, lol, the fat boy caught me from behind. To teach his mouthy roommate a lesson, he tackled me or gave me a push from behind. lmao, that ended my football 'career'.

The original tush push…

See its dangerous

 

[IndyHawk]

17.5 million of Darnold's guaranteed money becomes fully guaranteed a week after the Super Bowl for 2026 if he's healthy.

PS> You're right about his dead money hit of 37.5 million after the coming season. Yes, it would cost the Hawks that.

37.5 is not 40 plus, which can be spread out over 2 seasons right?

 

[IndyHawk]

This - ALL of this. I have transitioned from not a huge Geno fan to F that guy.

I liked him but this crying like Me3 in a different form has me wanting
to watch him suck with the Raiders.

 

[keasley45]

The crazy thing about geno beating them out was that the other two never got a chance to develop and see what could be. Geno is all the way at his peak we know what it is, but he was just good enough to take the job from two undeveloped prospects

To say we have seen the best of what Geno is is like saying halfway through Rich Gannon's career that we saw the best of who he was.

Take away the qb over the last three years. Its been abysmal because the coordinators were utterly and undisputably garbage.

How good do you think KC is if you take away Andy Reid and sub in Shane Waldron to call plays.

How good do you think Detroit is if you replace Johnson with Grubb?

This is the elelphant in the room that everyone who wants to frame Geno refuses to acknowledge. You can have enough talent to compete. If its led by incompetent coordinators it will be lost.

Let's see what Geno's season looks like now outside of Seattle with a competent HC AND OC vs Darnold's here in Seattle.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

To say we have seen the best of what Geno is is like saying halfway through Rich Gannon's career that we saw the best of who he was.

Take away the qb over the last three years. Its been abysmal because the coordinators were utterly and undisputably garbage.

How good do you think KC is if you take away Andy Reid and sub in Shane Waldron to call plays.

How good do you think Detroit is if you replace Johnson with Grubb?

This is the elelphant in the room that everyone who wants to frame Geno refuses to acknowledge. You can have enough talent to compete. If its led by incompetent coordinators it will be lost.

Let's see what Geno's season looks like now outside of Seattle with a competent HC AND OC vs Darnold's here in Seattle.

He will be the same Geno lol. I'm glad he's gone, and bow he is proving to be a whiny baby. Good riddance geNO

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, I'm sure Geno is going to magically become a great QB in LV

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, I'm sure Geno is going to magically become a great QB in LV

Especially when they only have Brock Bowers and that's it.

That team has a ton of holes to fill. (which is what she said)

 

[Sperrydogg]

To say we have seen the best of what Geno is is like saying halfway through Rich Gannon's career that we saw the best of who he was.

Take away the qb over the last three years. Its been abysmal because the coordinators were utterly and undisputably garbage.

How good do you think KC is if you take away Andy Reid and sub in Shane Waldron to call plays.

How good do you think Detroit is if you replace Johnson with Grubb?

This is the elelphant in the room that everyone who wants to frame Geno refuses to acknowledge. You can have enough talent to compete. If its led by incompetent coordinators it will be lost.

Let's see what Geno's season looks like now outside of Seattle with a competent HC AND OC vs Darnold's here in Seattle.

So at 32, with multiple coordinators that have never elevated him, geno is not at his peak and still has his greatest accomplishments ahead of him… go raiders. Let’s loot

 

[CouchLogic]

Yeah, I'm sure Geno is going to magically become a great QB in LV

 

[Sperrydogg]

is this like when you break up with a girl and then she gets a new man but that doesn’t work either and then you can be like…. “ see it was you not me…”

 

[Sperrydogg]

Yeah, I'm sure Geno is going to magically become a great QB in LV

Duhhh he already is a great qb. Thats why they signed him to a huge contract to finish his career in Vegas! Wait…. Two years? Why? Oh they’re gonna draft shadeur….

Yeah right Pete will draft a DB

 

[Ostatehawk]

To say we have seen the best of what Geno is is like saying halfway through Rich Gannon's career that we saw the best of who he was.

Take away the qb over the last three years. Its been abysmal because the coordinators were utterly and undisputably garbage.

How good do you think KC is if you take away Andy Reid and sub in Shane Waldron to call plays.

How good do you think Detroit is if you replace Johnson with Grubb?

This is the elelphant in the room that everyone who wants to frame Geno refuses to acknowledge. You can have enough talent to compete. If its led by incompetent coordinators it will be lost.

Let's see what Geno's season looks like now outside of Seattle with a competent HC AND OC vs Darnold's here in Seattle.

You may well be right Keas.

But I have a hard time believing the Raiders aren't going to continue their dumpster fire ways. They are almost as big a train wreck as the cowboys from an ownership standpoint; and they were - and most assuredly still are - miles away from relevancy. Coaching and Geno are not going to magically fix what is a systemic problem in Oakland (yeah, yeah las vegas - whatever - same mess different kitchen).

And this - I can't even.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

As far as the superior coaching Geno will get in LV, Pete was outstanding for us from the first part of his run. How about the last couple of years? How about the fact through the later years of his run, the D got worse? And as for better coaching on the OC, we are just going to assume that Kelly due to his earlier NFL run and recent success at the college level will be fine now in the NFL?

 

[Scout]

Kelly is more balanced with his play calling approach now, so I think Kelly will be fine an OC as we know he can create very good scheme designs.. Graham is underrated as a DC and Pete is lucky to land a DC of his talents in his lap. Spytek has a lot of work to do to bring in talent for the Raiders but I think the Raiders will surprise people this year.

That defense for the Raiders has enough players already on their roster for multiple fronts to confuse offenses. A front of Crosby, Wilkins, Koonce, Bulter and Fotu will be tough to deal with. The back end has enough veteran players but they really needs a true #1 CB.

On offense they really just need a true #1 WR and adding another RB to the mix. Beyond that is depth and upgrading rotational depth. The Raiders are not as bad as people assume.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Kelly is more balanced with his play calling approach now, so I think Kelly will be fine an OC as we know he can create very good scheme designs.. Graham is underrated as a DC and Pete is lucky to land a DC of his talents in his lap. Spytek has a lot of work to do to bring in talent for the Raiders but I think the Raiders will surprise people this year.

That defense for the Raiders has enough players already on their roster for multiple fronts to confuse offenses. A front of Crosby, Wilkins, Koonce, Bulter and Fotu will be tough to deal with. The back end has enough veteran players but they really needs a true #1 CB.

On offense they really just need a true #1 WR and adding another RB to the mix. Beyond that is depth and upgrading rotational depth. The Raiders are not as bad as people assume.

That roster has massive upside on it already. They've got cap, some roster cornerstones, young talent, and good draft capital.

I really do see them being competitive fairly quickly. Getting Chip some stud skill position guys and PG some defensive reinforcements would have them in really nice shape.

PC is the ultimate "let's build something great" coach and I think starting fresh with an organization in desperate need of culture overhaul is ideal for him. He rises to those occasions. Tom Brady calling football shots in the building... the Raiders acquired a lot of greatness this off-season.

I dunno. Put it this way: if you wanted an ideal team to rebuild in Madden, the Raiders are that team. No question. Just set up so well.

 

[Maelstrom787]

As far as the superior coaching Geno will get in LV, Pete was outstanding for us from the first part of his run. How about the last couple of years? How about the fact through the later years of his run, the D got worse? And as for better coaching on the OC, we are just going to assume that Kelly due to his earlier NFL run and recent success at the college level will be fine now in the NFL?

Chip Kelly wasn't that bad in the NFL. Nick Foles tossed 27 TDs to 2 INTs in his offense. He took over a 4-12 team and went 10-6 in the subsequent 2 seasons.

He wasn't a good GM (he took over roster control in Philly in 2015 and it wasn't great), but even then, he was fired with the team being 6-9 and not outright terrible.

SF was an impossible task, though. Trent Baalke was still the GM and was essentially sabotaging his 3rd coach in 3 years.

I wouldn't say that considering Chip Kelly an elite OC is a stretch. He's got one of the longest track records around to back it up. Great playcaller and scheme brilliance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Vegas will still be lucky to win 8 games.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

I think people are being too quick to assume just cause Brady was the best or one of of the best ever to play QB and a future hall of famer that it will automatically translate into greatness in the front office. Sports is littered with great players who didn't find success at the coaching or management level. Maybe he will, but we don't know.

 

[chris98251]

Pete has great energy that motivates and is contagious, if he maintains "ALWAYS COMPETE" and doesn't compromise it like here he could get the Raiders to over perform out of the gate, that momentum could carry over. Raiders have historically been the team that plays with a chip on their shoulder, if they get that mentality back they could do some damage. They as stated are not void of talent, but are void of cohesiveness and a unified purpose. Pete is good about bring that together.

 

[keasley45]

So at 32, with multiple coordinators that have never elevated him, geno is not at his peak and still has his greatest accomplishments ahead of him… go raiders. Let’s loot

Which coordinator that he has had was capable of elevating his play? He credited working behind Manning and Rivers with sharpening his process and ability as a player. But he was never going to get a shot to actually replace either of them. And it was Manning in NY who basically said as much - that Geno got a raw deal when he actually did get a chance to start.

Lets not pretend that Waldron and Grubb were actually capable of elevating anything more than a coffee mug at breakfast. Waldron was inept and Grubbs stint has been summarily described as QB unfriendly in how stupidly predictable the passing concept were, how non existent the run game was, and how the net result was a scheme that made the QBS job HARDER, not easier.

Its funny. Geno comes here and is basically run out of town on .NET before he even played a snap. But then, with little run game, less protection, and no defense, he plays well enough to garner MVP talk, and he did all of the with WALDRON. A guy who cant even get a job as coordinator.

Now, Sam comes here after having started in NY, (like Geno), having floundered every he went, and then landing in a spot with a GREAT coordinator who was UNDOUBTEDLY responsible for his success, ok run game, decent line and defense and he is seen as potentially a great get... as good as Geno ??

Talk about a double standard.

But its heaven sent. because now after 4 years of residual hurt over Russ being replaced by Geno and Geno being the whipping boy for all things wrong with the offense and the reason we cant 'elevate', we have a guy who has walked a similar line as Smith, who gets all of the acclaim and none of the arrows. He is stepping into a better team that wont rely on him doing near what Geno did. Lets see how it goes. Finally, apples to apples.