Sam Darnold To Sign With The Seahawks

[pmedic920]

Ha

 

[Natethegreat]

Ha

I mean he was for years but OK.

 

[NoGain]

Darnold is a younger and cheaper bridge QB than Geno. Now they can take some shots at a developmental QB. What's not to like about it? I have no great love for Darnold, but we had to do something reasonable.

 

[Jegpeg]

But it’s not true. If Geno signs for let’s say $40 million per year then you still had that $13 million hanging around. So there’s still a $7 million per year difference. The thing with dead money is it’s already paid out. Geno was going to get an extension but wanted more than we got Darnold for. This we are acing that cap money.

But did Geno have to get an extention?
I might be wrong but the Seahawks saved $31m in cap space by trading Geno. Darnold is reported on more than that in year 1 and while his cap hit is likely to be less than that isn't thart just pushing the problem back. If we want to keep Darnold the cap hit increases each year and if we dont he Donold and our next QB both require cap space.
Isn't there a world where the Seahawks tell Geno if he wont sign an extention he is still going t serve the last year of his current contract. We then try to draft someone who can be prepared for the speed of the NFL and is ready to start in 2026. Geno might not be happy, I don't know if he would refuse to play but doing so would not only cut his salary for this year but flag him as not a team friendly QB which would be likely to lower his value when he becomes a free agent.

 

[rcaido]

I rather have Geno. The only ginger I want throwing the ball is John Ryan.

I wish they would have went w Sam Howell. Use the money for the oline.

 

[NoGain]

We saved CAP space for the O-line in signing Darnold, and we'll have even more next year.

 

[Natethegreat]

But did Geno have to get an extention?
I might be wrong but the Seahawks saved $31m in cap space by trading Geno. Darnold is reported on more than that in year 1 and while his cap hit is likely to be less than that isn't thart just pushing the problem back. If we want to keep Darnold the cap hit increases each year and if we dont he Donold and our next QB both require cap space.
Isn't there a world where the Seahawks tell Geno if he wont sign an extention he is still going t serve the last year of his current contract. We then try to draft someone who can be prepared for the speed of the NFL and is ready to start in 2026. Geno might not be happy, I don't know if he would refuse to play but doing so would not only cut his salary for this year but flag him as not a team friendly QB which would be likely to lower his value when he becomes a free agent.

Good gravy, you don't add Geno's dead cap hit onto Darnold's contract. Its that simple. If we reworked Geno's contract that cap hit would still be there regardless as well. By signing Darnold we saved at least around 7 to 10 mill in cap space period given what is reported as Geno's asking price.

 

[Seahawker]

We should have just rolled with Howell and spent our capital on Oline. Howell is younger and cheaper than Darnold.

It's a gamble either way, but they must feel Kubiak can get Darnold up to speed and out the gate quick.

Sam Darnold- 27. 3rd overall pick 2018
Sam Howell- 24. 144th overall pick 2022

 

[kidhawk]

But did Geno have to get an extention?
I might be wrong but the Seahawks saved $31m in cap space by trading Geno. Darnold is reported on more than that in year 1 and while his cap hit is likely to be less than that isn't thart just pushing the problem back. If we want to keep Darnold the cap hit increases each year and if we dont he Donold and our next QB both require cap space.
Isn't there a world where the Seahawks tell Geno if he wont sign an extention he is still going t serve the last year of his current contract. We then try to draft someone who can be prepared for the speed of the NFL and is ready to start in 2026. Geno might not be happy, I don't know if he would refuse to play but doing so would not only cut his salary for this year but flag him as not a team friendly QB which would be likely to lower his value when he becomes a free agent.

Since they discussed an extension and didn’t come to an agreement and Geno then demanded a trade and we traded him, obviously there is no way we were going to keep him under his current contract. Even if we had done that we would still have that $13 million in previous money counting against the cap. That $13 million doesn’t change no matter who ends up where.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I rather have Geno. The only ginger I want throwing the ball is John Ryan.

I wish they would have went w Sam Howell. Use the money for the oline.

This same franchise had no qualms about pitting Geno Smith against Lock and just rolling with it.

The fact that we went out and spent big money on Darnold suggests to me that they don't think that Howell is a good option at QB. Reports surrounding Howell in practice weren't glowing either. Some going so far as saying that he was "scarily inaccurate" I guess if you're wanting to tank that is an option. The FO certainly doesn't seem to have much faith in Howell as a player.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even on the roster come game day. I could see us taking a gamble on someone like Quinn Ewers or some other later round prospect to be backup and just straight up cutting Howell.

 

[jammerhawk]

Our new $36M QB.

Better than $44.500,000, younger, and with luck a potentially higher ceiling Geno's early years in the league were not that special either. I really want to see the structure of his contract b/c his first year could be somewhat less then what Geno would have got.

 

[Jegpeg]

Good gravy, you don't add Geno's dead cap hit onto Darnold's contract. Its that simple. If we reworked Geno's contract that cap hit would still be there regardless as well. By signing Darnold we saved at least around 7 to 10 mill in cap space period given what is reported as Geno's asking price.

We we had kept Geno our cap space this year would be worse but we would have a clean slate for 2026. If things go well the rookie we got in the later rounds of this years draft blooms into a start level QB on next to no pay and with no dead cap out toal QB budget might be under $2m. If things don't work out then we get the Darnold equivalent in 2026.
A lot of people are talking about Darold being a bridge I dont know the exact numbers but if we have a QBOTF next year (or even 2027) Darnold will be taking up cap space. If we are planning Darnold as a long term option I worry he might revert back to how he played for the Jets and Panthers.

 

[Natethegreat]

We we had kept Geno our cap space this year would be worse but we would have a clean slate for 2026. If things go well the rookie we got in the later rounds of this years draft blooms into a start level QB on next to no pay and with no dead cap out toal QB budget might be under $2m. If things don't work out then we get the Darnold equivalent in 2026.
A lot of people are talking about Darold being a bridge I dont know the exact numbers but if we have a QBOTF next year (or even 2027) Darnold will be taking up cap space. If we are planning Darnold as a long term option I worry he might revert back to how he played for the Jets and Panthers.

I'm sorry your just wrong. Geno wasn't staying without a reworked deal that was more expensive than what we paid Darnold and that includes guaranteed money as well. In no world would it have been less expensive.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Well, the original poster has a point, that the total cap being dedicated to the cost of a QB is the same as if we had signed Geno for $40 million or so. That's all he's saying. He's not arguing that the Darnold contract is per se bad.

And I think the point lacks merit.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Geno have any 14-3 seasons to compare "laterally"? I think this is an upgrade. Maybe not franchise QB upgrade but the contract agrees with that. This is a 3 year commitment to let Sam have a stable organization and build an Offense around him. He's money in play action and Kubiak leads the league in calling play action. That will be great news for Walker and Charbs too. We just Oline and another WR threat and I'll be super happy so far.

Is Darnold going to be throwing to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Jalen Nailor, and TJ Hockenson here in Seattle?

 

[HomerJHawk]

QB shmooB. Has anyone mentioned yet that we have to improve our OL?!
I mean, c'mon man!

 

[Natethegreat]

Is Darnold going to be throwing to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Jalen Nailor, and TJ Hockenson here in Seattle?

No, its a fair point. we do not have the weapons he had in Minnesota. Geno I'm sure would have done very well there. Although their O line was pretty bad on the interior as well.

 

[LeveeBreak]

QB shmooB. Has anyone mentioned yet that we have to improve our OL?!
I mean, c'mon man!

For the past several years, and multiple active threads currently.

 

[Hawkpower]

Is Darnold going to be throwing to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Jalen Nailor, and TJ Hockenson here in Seattle?

Possibly. The roster is not yet set

 

[Scout]

We we had kept Geno our cap space this year would be worse but we would have a clean slate for 2026. If things go well the rookie we got in the later rounds of this years draft blooms into a start level QB on next to no pay and with no dead cap out toal QB budget might be under $2m. If things don't work out then we get the Darnold equivalent in 2026.
A lot of people are talking about Darold being a bridge I dont know the exact numbers but if we have a QBOTF next year (or even 2027) Darnold will be taking up cap space. If we are planning Darnold as a long term option I worry he might revert back to how he played for the Jets and Panthers.

I agree.

It is similar to what the Falcons did with Cousins last off season and they now have to deal with that opportunity cost of losing the cap space that could have went elsewhere to help the team.