Good writeup MM/State of the team/Offseason hints.

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Yup. That's because its obvious its where the fault lies. Folks harp on bad decisions Geno made. When your offense is literally horrid, the likelihood of making bad decisions goes up. And the idea that he didnt take what the defense gave him... if you watch the tape - and this has been covered by many outside of .net - often, all that was there was a sack. When you are getting pressure across the line, instantly, just tossing it out of bounds isnt an option. Seattle was near league leading in pressure up the middle and they werent great on pressure from the edge either. In that scenario, the options are often 1. sack, 2. intentional grounding... which is the same as a sack. Geno is NOT Lamar - a QB who's natural instict and natural talents tell him first to run or make space to throw and if not, then run. Geno is a traditional pocket passer who CAN run. And pocket passer's always rise and fall with the quality of the o-line and playcaller. We all saw what a qb in J Goff who can play at 'elite' levels looks like when things arent going so well. He also rises and falls (sharply) when protection fails. Give Geno time and better than the 30th ranked o line and rushing attack (averaged) and he can do better.

But yes, the Geno SHOULD have thrown the ball away against AZ on the bad pick, against SF on both picks intended for JSN, on the pick 6 against LA and the first pick against Minny. The thing to note is NONE of them were plays where he had time to throw. Does pressure automatically relieve the QB of responsibility for errors? No. but when you are talking about a QB who was one of THE most pressured in the league, and who ALSO had one of the worst OCs in the league... well, you should honestly expect far worse.

And its obvious that that's how Mac sees it as well.
I guess the point at which i was aiming is that pro or anti, the decision has already been made. People like Geno. People don't like Geno. But...MMac likes him and his vote counts. Ours don't. At this point, if someone thinks Geno is the wrong guy, they should shift their negativity to Coach Macdonald.
 

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I guess the point at which i was aiming is that pro or anti, the decision has already been made. People like Geno. People don't like Geno. But...MMac likes him and his vote counts. Ours don't. At this point, if someone thinks Geno is the wrong guy, they should shift their negativity to Coach Macdonald.
Ok Mac is a negative then

I have a hard time seeing Geno winning when it counts
 

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We have no idea what the team is thinking. Mac may want to move on and is keeping it private. He could be banging the table for Geno too. Who knows
 

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I would extend Geno or find a bridge while we build out the team and find a rookie. Probably 2 years if the price is right guaranteed with a 3 year personally. It’s a call to be made by a future OC with the alignment from Mike. QBs are hard to come by and I agree Geno in pressure situations can be erratic. He has also regressed but if you built a system that’s easy for Geno, transitioning to a rookie would be easier. This gives a new rookie space to learn and then take over in a year or two.
 

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It floors me sometimes how much credence some people still give to coachspeak involving players. The team has significant money tied to Geno and lack the means to acquire an obvious upgrade. If Mac has concerns about Geno, he's not going to express those publicly. It doesn't benefit the team in any way whatsoever to undermine the starting QB in the media, and Mac is smart enough to know he doesn't want to get a reputation for being the coach who throws his players under the bus. Doing anything other than showing his team that he has the upmost confidence in them would be the antithesis of positive culture building.

It's entirely possible that he really does think Geno is THE guy and believes that the idea of trying to replace him is laughable, but we won't know unequivocally what the team is thinking until we see what actions they take once such actions are permitted.
 

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I see a guy who often refuses to just take what the defense gives him, especially when he has room to run.
As for taking what the defense gives him in terms of throwing, I think we can agree he did that more than he didn't when sitting on 4,320 passing yards. The most he's ever had in his career. As for rushing, he had 272 yards this season. Not a huge number but it's the 3rd highest total for his career.

For me it comes down to this, on offense we have two issues main issues, OC and OBotF. Solving both issues this offseason may not be possible. QBotF is not likely to happen through the draft this offseason at pick 18 unless JS packages some of the 13 picks he has and maybe a player or two. Expensive. He might be able to make a deal in FA but again it's going to be expensive. If we had no other holes then I might be fine doing these. Finding a better OC is very likely to happen. Considering Grubb was a late desperation move, now with less front office flux they should have the time needed to make a better selection. We also have holes on the OLine and DLine to address with those 13 picks.

I would love for JS to address all these issues but I don't think that's realistic. I'd rather he deal with the OC issue and then use all the picks to plug holes. If Geno wants stupid money then that forces JS to find a short term answer but if not I think we need to roll with Geno one more season and see if we can assemble a better supporting cast and perhaps that gets us where we want to go.
 

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Makes me wonder why in the lords name MM agreed to hire Grubb in the first place knowing what kind of offence he ran in college. Grubb must have been a phenomenal salesman during his interview.

In no world can the Seahawks run a prolific passing offence with the state of the O Line. The Rams had a terrible line this year and ran quick hitters and screens while mixing in an efficient run game that doesn’t have the RB’s being contacted 0.5 yds from scrimmage. Until the line gets fixed whomever gets the job as OC should, and it pains me to say this, take a page out of McVays book because he coaches to the strengths of his players.
It's been widely discussed here, by the time MM was hired and started assembling his staff most of the top OC candidates were gone. Grubb was hired out of necessity not preference.
 

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As for taking what the defense gives him in terms of throwing, I think we can agree he did that more than he didn't when sitting on 4,320 passing yards. The most he's ever had in his career. As for rushing, he had 272 yards this season. Not a huge number but it's the 3rd highest total for his career.

For me it comes down to this, on offense we have two issues main issues, OC and OBotF. Solving both issues this offseason may not be possible. QBotF is not likely to happen through the draft this offseason at pick 18 unless JS packages some of the 13 picks he has and maybe a player or two. Expensive. He might be able to make a deal in FA but again it's going to be expensive. If we had no other holes then I might be fine doing these. Finding a better OC is very likely to happen. Considering Grubb was a late desperation move, now with less front office flux they should have the time needed to make a better selection. We also have holes on the OLine and DLine to address with those 13 picks.

I would love for JS to address all these issues but I don't think that's realistic. I'd rather he deal with the OC issue and then use all the picks to plug holes. If Geno wants stupid money then that forces JS to find a short term answer but if not I think we need to roll with Geno one more season and see if we can assemble a better supporting cast and perhaps that gets us where we want to go.
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It's pretty clear that geNATION cares more about stats than Wins and/or good decision making, or at least it appears that way.
 

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I guess the point at which i was aiming is that pro or anti, the decision has already been made. People like Geno. People don't like Geno. But...MMac likes him and his vote counts. Ours don't. At this point, if someone thinks Geno is the wrong guy, they should shift their negativity to Coach Macdonald.

Geno replaced the fan favorite Russell Wilson, some 12s never forgive him for that

Geno didn't do the PR stuff like parading his his family around that would have soften the hate from the above 12s.

Geno wasn't blessed with move star good looks like Hass or Wilson. Geno dkai talked funny, a big step down from Hass and Wilson.
 

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With regard to Macdonald seemingly blowing kisses in the direction of certain players, ie Metcalf and Woolen, as an indication that he has no intention of trading them, I'm reminded of something Mike Holmgren once said about NFL head coaches entering the offseason when free agency, the draft, trades, etc are on the near horizon:

"Everybody lies."

It's pretty simple. If you intend to trade a player, the last thing you want to do is give your potential trading partners the impression that you are anxious to unload them. You want them to think that you have to be talked into it.

Having said that, it was a good read.
 

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Geno replaced the fan favorite Russell Wilson, some 12s never forgive him for that

Geno didn't do the PR stuff like parading his his family around that would have soften the hate from the above 12s.

Geno wasn't blessed with move star good looks like Hass or Wilson. Geno dkai talked funny, a big step down from Hass and Wilson.
Believe it or not, those of us who are called "Russ lovers" etc. were glad he was sent packing. It was past time for it. And we fleeced the Broncos. Win/Win. What I feel about Geno as a QB has NOTHING to do with the former guy.
I know who the best QB in the team history was, and it's really not close. I want Geno to be a hell of a lot better. Why? Because he's THE SEAHAWKS' QUARTERBACK.
 

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It's pretty clear that geNATION cares more about stats than Wins and/or good decision making, or at least it appears that way.
This. Last time I checked, the job of a qb is to make good decisions and execute. Over ELEVEN seasons, his record indicates that he's average to slightly above average at doing that. That's simply not good enough. The goal is to win a sb, not to win 9 or 10 games every year. I just don't understand why so many are willing to settle. Take a chance, swing for the fences. You can't hit home runs and separate the team from the rest of the pack by playing it safe and bunting year after year.

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Again, stats seems to be your priority. And that's fine. We see what's important differently, I guess.
Stats aren't the issue it's what is the priority given all the parameters and if either of us is guilty of making it about stats you're the one complaining about his rushing yards total.
 

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The thing about Geno is that we have no real replacement for him and he's under contract for another year. Of course MacDonald is going to say the things he is saying. Calling out a guy in the media is almost never the move. Geno at this point is our only option and I don't get the vibe that the Seahawks are going to look for a replacement this year unless he tries pushing the issue. Even still, I'd imagine they'd give him the money over the guys on the market.
 

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