MacDonald riding with Geno

[toffee]

You had to have watched him play. Without wasting too much time, take a look at this:



If you can watch that and honestly say that there is ANY similarity between Genos INTs and Howell's, i will fly to wherever you are, and buy you a round of drink.

I watched it and counted 3 or 4 picks that were either deflected or hit the wrs hands. That makes 17 or 18 that were legit just bad throws. Not his arm being hit, not his guys letting them bounce off their bodies, but just winding up, being oblivious to underneath coverage and tossing it up to be picked. Granted, there may be a few that were the result of a bad route, but that tape looks like a qb not seeing the field well.

Daniel Jeremiah just last week went and reviewed Geno' ints and attributed 8 to him... maybe 9 that were legit, unequivocally 'Howell' type INTs that were his fault alone.

So 9 vs 17 is a little more indicative of the real comparison of legitimate INT tallies.

In Howell's defense, Biememy didnt do Howell any favors, letting him pass more than 600 times last year.

Thats why i dont wanna hear the dude's nane mentioned in relation to our opening - not that Mac would entertain the idea.

I watched the first 20 seconds, Howell needs to hang out with Russell Wilson, and learn how to throw moonballs. His long low line-drives were INT friendly.

 

[nwHawk]

I suspect the team wants everyone believing Geno is the guy so that they can have an opportunity to draft a second tier QB. I get the feeling Geno would hold out if he doesn’t get an extension. Time will time who ultimately wins.

 

[strohmin]

I suspect the team wants everyone believing Geno is the guy so that they can have an opportunity to draft a second tier QB. I get the feeling Geno would hold out if he doesn’t get an extension. Time will time who ultimately wins.

That is definitely a possibility. I remember Pete wanting Matt Hasselbeck back after the season ended in 2010 but not at the price he wanted so he let him go. I guess we wont truly knows what happens with Geno until after the draft.

 

[West TX Hawk]

I still think the Minnesota model is a possibility. Cousins was a very good quarterback for a much longer period than Geno has been and yet they still went another direction instead of paying him and it worked out very well. Darnold came in cheap, they used the money for some other areas and they had a monster year. Not saying Seattle is in the same position to do this but I'm at least open to it if John/Mike go that route. I'm also open to another year of Geno too if that's the best option.

For me the goal is a SB. Only two guys in history Geno's age have made it Brady and Manning. Geno isn't remotely close to those guys so if a SB is the goal I think its least reasonable to assume you have to do exactly what Minn did either this year or next. I think last year was probably the year to do it with so many really good QB's but they missed the oppurtunity.

I’m not advocating for a long term extension for Geno but wanted to point out that actually there have been several QBs Geno’s age or older who have guided their teams to a SB:

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Brady, Manning, Elway, Plunkett, and Unitas/Morrall all won at 36 or older.
Staubach won at 35; Warner, Tarkenton, Staubach and Gannon also led their teams to SBs at 36 or 37 and Starr, Dawson, Johnson and Stafford all won at 34.

No, I’m not comparing Geno to any of these guys but an older QB certainly can be successful. I would advocate for a 1 year incentive laden extension, (if he’s interested, if not let him test FA in ‘26) while we draft the next guy in ‘26 likely.

 

[Rat]

Yes, there have been several QBs in their mid to late 30s who have done well, but they're very rare and I certainly don't see a reason to give Geno a multi-year extension under the assumption that he'll hold up. The majority of the guys who have done it have still largely seen their physical capacities decline, but were dependable decision makers with considerable big game and postseason experience. A lot of times, it still feels like we're waiting for Geno to develop further. A one-year extension is acceptable. Beyond that feels like awful planning.

 

[Ozzy]

I’m not advocating for a long term extension for Geno but wanted to point out that actually there have been several QBs Geno’s age or older who have guided their teams to a SB:

10 Oldest Quarterbacks to Play in the Super Bowl - Oldest.org

Discover the 10 Oldest Quarterbacks to Play in the Super Bowl here. Prepare to be transported into a rich & fascinating history on the that exist.

www.oldest.org

Brady, Manning, Elway, Plunkett, and Unitas/Morrall all won at 36 or older.
Staubach won at 35; Warner, Tarkenton, Staubach and Gannon also led their teams to SBs at 36 or 37 and Starr, Dawson, Johnson and Stafford all won at 34.

No, I’m not comparing Geno to any of these guys but an older QB certainly can be successful. I would advocate for a 1 year incentive laden extension, (if he’s interested, if not let him test FA in ‘26) while we draft the next guy in ‘26 likely.

so in the modern era Brady and Manning have at his age. That’s a pretty elite group being they may be the two best ever.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And he's not in the same stratosphere as most of those guys. I hope to be wrong, but this guy isn't magically going to become elite, imo.

 

[Rat]

We'd be lucky to win five games if 37-year-old Geno is in the same physical shape Peyton was at that age. His arm was absolutely tapped out.

Matt Ryan with the Colts is probably what Geno will be in 2-3 years.

 

[Subzero717]

Dunno. If you heard the MM show on 710 this week, this presser sounded like an over correction.

 

[keasley45]

I dont get the constant drumbeat of negativity around what a qb cant do or wont do.

Now, for the first time (hopefully) the dude will be playing under an offensive coordinator who is actually qualified to run an offense.

 

[Subzero717]

I dont get the constant drumbeat of negativity around what a qb cant do or wont do.

Now, for the first time (hopefully) the dude will be playing under an offensive coordinator who is actually qualified to run an offense.

Welcome to a sports fan debates where you don't have "the guy."

They don't have these threads in Buffalo, Baltimore, KC, Cincy.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, they have real QB's, so there is that.

(runs for cover)

 

[Ozzy]

I dont get the constant drumbeat of negativity around what a qb cant do or wont do.

Now, for the first time (hopefully) the dude will be playing under an offensive coordinator who is actually qualified to run an offense.

I do get it. Geno is a good QB. We're on the cusp of being a really good team. So for guys like you the argument is why not keep Geno and hope they fix the line and the OC is really good and maybe we win 12 games and get a playoff win. Its the same argument that we have used for 5+ years though that next year if we only fix this we're back in it. It's a reasonable take and it could play out that way for sure. BUT you don't understand why a fan after hearing the same argument year after year only to win 8-10 games and no playoff success would rather try something different? I think if you're being honest, while you disagree with it, you can understand the sentiment?

I do understand the pro Geno argument even if I slightly disagree with it.....it's not unreasonable. I also think though that Geno being another year older, not real confident John will all the sudden fix the line when he hasn't done it ever or looking at historical trends and a 36 year old quarterback if he's not names Manning or Brady has never done it that it might be worth the risk of going another direction isn't unreasonable either.

My personal position is I really wanted them to bridge with Geno last year and draft one of these 6 guys that all look to be great prospects to learn under Geno. They missed that window. Now I'm a little nervous to give a 35 year old QB a multi year 40+ million dollar deal when history tells us he will probably continue to trend downwards. I don't think that's a crazy take.

If they roll with Geno one more year and build the line, bring in a great OC etc I will be rooting just like you guys will and hope for the best.

 

[keasley45]

Welcome to a sports fan debates where you don't have "the guy."

They don't have these threads in Buffalo, Baltimore, KC, Cincy.

Tell you what. drop Waldron and Dickerson, Grubb and Huff in any of those cities and see where their QBs come out.

It is beyond myopic to look at just the qb in comparing those teams and ignore the fact that you have an ALL TIME GREAT HC in Andy Reid calling plays in KC vs Shane Waldron or Ryan Grubb, neither of which are even in the NFL anymore. Seriously? If OC / playcalling wasn't critical to the function of an offense and performance of a QB, those positions wouldn't be the prime candidates for head coaching positions across the league. And we have been rolling with guys who cant even keep their job, let alone garner attention for a better post.

And you pull Burrow and Jackson into the convo, the latter of which is a multiple MVP winner and generational talent? Burrow is the only guy who is similarly strapped on offense, but has arguably the best player at his position to throw to (you dont hear debates about chase running wrong routes and being trade bate in part for the low ROI for the position he holds).

You dont need a generational talent at QB to win a SB. I mean, 3/4 of the guys on the teams you have mentioned havent won one.

But you do have guys like Matt Stafford and Jared Goff who was just a talents until they got hooked up with the right coordinator.

Buffalo, KC and Baltimore are without a doubt three of the best coached teams in the league, top to bottom with superstars throughout their staffs. We just fired our HC, 2 OC's, likely 2 O line coaches and THAT doesnt factor into the conversation as to how well aspects / players on the offense are performing?

You guys are funny

 

[CallMeADawg]

I've watched some stuff from Geno when he was young, he was terrible for long stretches of time.

West Virginia Geno was anything but terrible.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Still......decision making.

 

[Ozzy]

Tell you what. drop Waldron and Dickerson, Grubb and Huff in any of those cities and see where their QBs come out.

It is beyond myopic to look at just the qb in comparing those teams and ignore the fact that you have an ALL TIME GREAT HC in Andy Reid calling plays in KC vs Shane Waldron or Ryan Grubb, neither of which are even in the NFL anymore. Seriously? If OC / playcalling wasn't critical to the function of an offense and performance of a QB, those positions wouldn't be the prime candidates for head coaching positions across the league. And we have been rolling with guys who cant even keep their job, let alone garner attention for a better post.

And you pull Burrow and Jackson into the convo, the latter of which is a multiple MVP winner and generational talent? Burrow is the only guy who is similarly strapped on offense, but has arguably the best player at his position to throw to (you dont hear debates about chase running wrong routes and being trade bate in part for the low ROI for the position he holds).

You dont need a generational talent at QB to win a SB. I mean, 3/4 of the guys on the teams you have mentioned havent won one.

But you do have guys like Matt Stafford and Jared Goff who was just a talents until they got hooked up with the right coordinator.

Buffalo, KC and Baltimore are without a doubt three of the best coached teams in the league, top to bottom with superstars throughout their staffs. We just fired our HC, 2 OC's, likely 2 O line coaches and THAT doesnt factor into the conversation as to how well aspects / players on the offense are performing?

You guys are funny

I think your point is valid but its possible Geno isnt the talent you think he is either?

You need an elite QB to win. Look at the final 4 teams in the last 10 playoff cycles. Very, very few aren't elite guys. Here are the last 5 years:

Mahomes over Purdy
Mahomes over Hurts
Stafford over Burrow
Brady over Mahomes
Mahomes over Kaep
Brady over Goff (I think?)

Who isn't elite? I know you will say Purdy but Purdy by every metric used to defend Geno like on target throws, throws under pressure, QBR, Passer rating is putting up elite numbers. But for sake of argument lets say he's not every SB winner is elite the past 5 years Mahomes, Stafford, Brady. The losers in the SB is a pretty solid list too in Burrow, Mahomes, Hurts, Purdy and Kaep.

You really do need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl. You think Geno is elite and that's fine. Many don't and I think they have a reasonable case on that as well.

Maybe Seattles defense because best in the league, they get a couple of guards to fix the line and an OC that can fit the Macdonald system and get to a SB. I sure hope they can but it appears to be the only reasonable option right now.

 

[Ozzy]

West Virginia Geno was anything but terrible.

He was a stud in college. He really struggled his few couple of years in the NFL though. Jets are a trainwreck so that didn't help either to be fair to him.

 

[WestCoastChippewa]

Might make some puke, but I'm pretty sure Geno broke Tom's record in the Orange bowl as a Junior.

 

[CallMeADawg]

He was a stud in college. He really struggled his few couple of years in the NFL though. Jets are a trainwreck so that didn't help either to be fair to him.

Yeah his toughness, leadership, accountability, and drive for improving himself are all off the charts these days. I would love to see him with a competent line and an NFL caliber OC. He has had some ups and downs but you can’t fake his accuracy, arm strength, and athleticism. The decision making part and being set up for success by his coordinator are basically the only things holding him back.