Geno vs The Jets

[toffee]

Two QBs played at MetLife, Geno was the better QB, but not by much.

 

[Screaming Judy]

Geno is OK, but I find myself muttering “f**k**g Geno” during the games. Running backwards to avoid being sacked on 4th down was the magical moment when I knew Geno is not our guy. Given he’s 35, it’s time to find the next Seahawks franchise QB… If the Seahawks keep Geno, then they’re telling us playing at or near the playoff bubble is acceptable.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well said

 

[Ozzy]

I understand everyone's obsession with quarterbacks, but I don't want to have to pay for an elite QB. I'm just fine having a top 10-16 cheap QB so our roster isn't hamstrung, Mike can get his guys and we develop a running game.

What a limp wristed, low IQ take. "We need a better quarterback!! "

No we don't we need an offensive line and running game to compliment a defense on the ascent.

It's a fair point although I would argue people disagreeing with you doesn't make them limp wristed or stupid.

I'm ok with Mac getting the rest of his team in place. Ideally you do it with a rookie QB so you have a 5 year window to really attack all the areas and in that sense I think its anything but a "low IQ" take to want that over paying a guy 40 million to put up really average numbers.

 

[toffee]

Well said

Please start chanting HOWELL HOWELL.

 

[Rat]

Geno in the red zone is the QB equivalent of letting Matt Eberflus be in charge of anything.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Please start chanting HOWELL HOWELL.

Nah, I'm good with Geno finishing out the season. IF they made a change, which I doubt they will, I'd be cool with that too. But, they're in the middle of a playoff run. Changing QB wouldn't be wise at this point, imo.

Changing QB next season would be very wise, imo.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

If Geno wants to be extended by Seattle, he definitely needs to put on a show these last remaining scheduled games….If this was anyone other than the Jets, Seattle, would have lost.

Good thing it was against an over the hill, Aaron Rodgers….

 

[Sperrydogg]

I see guys who make 40 million a year do the same stuff. Kyler Murray overthrew a wide open Trey McBride in the endzone and he also threw a pick six. As far as not throwing the ball when he has a ton of time and then throwing it away, this is what we want him to do rather then forcing things in and throwing a pick or taking a sack, sometimes the coverage just wins.

I don't know who would be a better option next year. I think we extend him and lower his cap number. Hopefully we get a LG early in the draft and can get a run game going. That with the D that seems to be clicking and we could be set for a strong run.

Kyler Murray sucks. Just cause Arizona overpaid him doesn’t make him good. Plus, all quarterbacks miss guys sometimes, but great quarterbacks rise to another level every time it matters. That’s what makes a great quarterback. Great leaders don’t whine or pout, they don’t lose their temper or blame others. They put their head down and will things into existence. They push through pain and adversity and bad weather and mistakes made around them or by them. They make it up as they go when things fall apart and some things they do on the fly are the prettiest of all. That’s what makes Mahomes great. He somehow stays alive to side arm a pass into the end zone to win the game every time. That’s what made Russell great, he would will the team to victory and when it was close I always believed in him. That’s what makes Josh Allen great he will fight you to the end and score the touchdown on a pass he threw cause he’s still in the play. I can’t ever remember seeing either of those three talking trash or pouting they just play….. okay maybe Mahomes pouts a little and definitely acts like he’s got a broken leg and then when it’s time to go back on the field he’s miraculously healed but you know what I mean

 

[Sperrydogg]

If Geno wants to be extended by Seattle, he definitely needs to put on a show these last remaining scheduled games….If this was anyone other than the Jets, Seattle, would have lost.

Good thing it was against an over the hill, Aaron Rodgers….

They were worse than just Erin, they made so many penalties and could not get out of their own way. I think our defense stymied Erin, but their defense couldn’t stop screwing up

 

[Sperrydogg]

Geno in the red zone is the QB equivalent of letting Matt Eberflus be in charge of anything.

He will eberflus it up

 

[toffee]

Geno is OK, but I find myself muttering “f**k**g Geno” during the games. Running backwards to avoid being sacked on 4th down was the magical moment when I knew Geno is not our guy. Given he’s 35, it’s time to find the next Seahawks franchise QB… If the Seahawks keep Geno, then they’re telling us playing at or near the playoff bubble is acceptable.

Speaking as a Geno fan boy:

On any given Sunday, almost all QB made some questionable decisions or poor executions, that includes star QBs. The more was asked of the QBs, the more likely they will suffer some mistakes.

The essence of PeteBall was to make things simpler, easier for the QB. Running the ball, balanced attack, keeping a smaller playbook, etc etc., all to reduce the load on QB.

If a team requires their QB to carry the entire offense, that QB will crack, just a matter of them. Ok, some mega super star QB can do it, maybe, but most couldn't.

 

[Rat]

If Geno wants to be extended by Seattle, he definitely needs to put on a show these last remaining scheduled games….

If Geno wants a contract extension, he needs to not be 36 when that extension would begin, which I believe is the current age of Kirk Cousins, who is in the first year of a four-year deal worth over $100 million.

BTW, guess why Geno no longer leads the league in interceptions?

 

[DarkVictory23]

Geno's game yesterday was interesting in that it was the exact opposite of his game (the win) against the Niners.

In the Niners game, he had an elite level success rate, play after play was essentially successful, but because he had no passing TDs and one INT, his more traditional numbers looked bad.

This game, he had his lowest success rate of the season, but because he threw one TD and no INTs, his more traditional numbers were good... 90+ passer rating, no turnovers, over 200 yards passing.

What seemingly didn't change is who thought he did good in each game--despite being two entirely different types of performances. Interesting, right? (Not really...)


That said, how did I feel? I'm mixed.

I mean, look: I appreciate the fact that Geno actually has a high average success rate--it's one of the reasons I generally think he's a good QB--and he wasn't that guy yesterday.

BUT! Our offensive efficiency was way above our season average this game in both scoring rate and points per drive. We only had 9 offensive drives to New York's 11. We got down by two scores early, we weren't running our usual offensive gameplan at all, and yet our offense never panicked.

You can't be a QB-wins/Geno-needs-to-be-a-leader/Geno-needs-to-not-turnover-the-ball guy and then still crap on this performance. This was literally that game.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

In my opinion Geno hasn't been lights out since early in the season. He's made some good plays and has had some bad plays. Against the Jets he was average.

 

[Ozzy]

Geno's game yesterday was interesting in that it was the exact opposite of his game (the win) against the Niners.

In the Niners game, he had an elite level success rate, play after play was essentially successful, but because he had no passing TDs and one INT, his more traditional numbers looked bad.

This game, he had his lowest success rate of the season, but because he threw one TD and no INTs, his more traditional numbers were good... 90+ passer rating, no turnovers, over 200 yards passing.

What seemingly didn't change is who thought he did good in each game--despite being two entirely different types of performances. Interesting, right? (Not really...)


That said, how did I feel? I'm mixed.

I mean, look: I appreciate the fact that Geno actually has a high average success rate--it's one of the reasons I generally think he's a good QB--and he wasn't that guy yesterday.

BUT! Our offensive efficiency was way above our season average this game in both scoring rate and points per drive. We only had 9 offensive drives to New York's 11. We got down by two scores early, we weren't running our usual offensive gameplan at all, and yet our offense never panicked.

You can't be a QB-wins/Geno-needs-to-be-a-leader/Geno-needs-to-not-turnover-the-ball guy and then still crap on this performance. This was literally that game.

I do t fully disagree but what the pro Geno crowd misses is the magnitude of his mistakes. Taking a 20 yard sack rolling right when no receiver had a route to that side instead of just throwing it away was baffling for a 12 year vet. Know the situation and that your defense is playing lights out and let Rogers start at the 1 and have to go 99 yards. Instead they get a much easier situation. This stuff just happens way too often for someone who’s been in the league as long as he has. The rest of the time he’s a fairly good QB who is efficient for sure. That’s what makes him frustrating though, he’s super talented and just needs to make better decisions.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I do t fully disagree but what the pro Geno crowd misses is the magnitude of his mistakes. Taking a 20 yard sack rolling right when no receiver had a route to that side instead of just throwing it away was baffling for a 12 year vet. Know the situation and that your defense is playing lights out and let Rogers start at the 1 and have to go 99 yards. Instead they get a much easier situation. This stuff just happens way too often for someone who’s been in the league as long as he has. The rest of the time he’s a fairly good QB who is efficient for sure. That’s what makes him frustrating though, he’s super talented and just needs to make better decisions.

I didn't miss anything here, though. He couldn't have realistically done what you wanted on that play and even if he could, it would make no sense.

First, it was a bad snap low that he had to corral, after having to look basically dead on the ground he looks up to get into the play. By the time a normal amount of human visual assessment has passed, it's done. He's not going to be able to get a throw off.

Even if he could set to throw, he wouldn't have thrown it away, he would have thrown it to the corner for DK (which is what he looked like he was trying to do by the time he realizes he doesn't have the time).

And there is nothing at all baffling about Geno's decision if you are signing off on Grubb's decision to line up in shotgun on 4th and inches.

We've already voluntarily surrendered that 1-yard line spot just by the way we lined up. If keeping that was so paramount than we NEVER go into this play call in the first place. We line up under center and QB sneak.

Yeah, Geno essentially gave the Jets an extra 7 yards by not turtling up (he was getting sacked no matter what on this play, the only difference is it ended up being at the 16 instead of the 9), but either your coach wants you to be aggressive or they want you to hold that field position.

Personally? I would have preferred the QB sneak or heavy formation run play. I agree about keeping them at the 1-yard line. But my beef (and yours) properly lies with Grubb in this case.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Geno's game yesterday was interesting in that it was the exact opposite of his game (the win) against the Niners.

In the Niners game, he had an elite level success rate, play after play was essentially successful, but because he had no passing TDs and one INT, his more traditional numbers looked bad.

This game, he had his lowest success rate of the season, but because he threw one TD and no INTs, his more traditional numbers were good... 90+ passer rating, no turnovers, over 200 yards passing.

What seemingly didn't change is who thought he did good in each game--despite being two entirely different types of performances. Interesting, right? (Not really...)


That said, how did I feel? I'm mixed.

I mean, look: I appreciate the fact that Geno actually has a high average success rate--it's one of the reasons I generally think he's a good QB--and he wasn't that guy yesterday.

BUT! Our offensive efficiency was way above our season average this game in both scoring rate and points per drive. We only had 9 offensive drives to New York's 11. We got down by two scores early, we weren't running our usual offensive gameplan at all, and yet our offense never panicked.

You can't be a QB-wins/Geno-needs-to-be-a-leader/Geno-needs-to-not-turnover-the-ball guy and then still crap on this performance. This was literally that game.

Of course they can. When an opinion ignores all reasonable evidence to the contrary, you aren't bound by logic. I wish I could live in that world. It must be unbelievably freeing

 

[OrangeGravy]

I didn't miss anything here, though. He couldn't have realistically done what you wanted on that play and even if he could, it would make no sense.

First, it was a bad snap low that he had to corral, after having to look basically dead on the ground he looks up to get into the play. By the time a normal amount of human visual assessment has passed, it's done. He's not going to be able to get a throw off.

Even if he could set to throw, he wouldn't have thrown it away, he would have thrown it to the corner for DK (which is what he looked like he was trying to do by the time he realizes he doesn't have the time).

And there is nothing at all baffling about Geno's decision if you are signing off on Grubb's decision to line up in shotgun on 4th and inches.

We've already voluntarily surrendered that 1-yard line spot just by the way we lined up. If keeping that was so paramount than we NEVER go into this play call in the first place. We line up under center and QB sneak.

Yeah, Geno essentially gave the Jets an extra 7 yards by not turtling up (he was getting sacked no matter what on this play, the only difference is it ended up being at the 16 instead of the 9), but either your coach wants you to be aggressive or they want you to hold that field position.

Personally? I would have preferred the QB sneak or heavy formation run play. I agree about keeping them at the 1-yard line. But my beef (and yours) properly lies with Grubb in this case.

That level of nuance is wasted here

 

[Atradees]

He probably got tired of the negative feedback from all the turnovers. So now he holds on to the ball to long. Geno held it together and we won. I do like winning. The goal is to win attractive. Dillon Gabriel isn't tall enough.