Detroit Tigers @ Seattle Mariners Aug 6-8...

[IndyHawk]

Yeah, ok. Clearly, he should have avoided it.

How much baseball have you played?

 

[therealjohncarlson]

Anyone who thinks failings aren’t really on the manager needs to look at the end of last nights game… you put in a guy who is struggling mightily in a pinch hit situation like that. A guy who has vocally said he is affected by fan death threats against him. He is clearly in a bad place mentally and you magnify the situation by putting him in at the end of the game???

Baffling move by Scott..

 

[Vesuve]

Servais replaces Luke Raiey with Mitch Garver in the 9th as a pinch hitter b/c of the Left pitcher righty batter matchup.

Is this reason correct?

You folks know more than I do.

Is this video correct?

 

[hawkfan68]

The M's top 3 starting pitchers (Castilloa, Kirby, and Gilbert) are stinking it up lately. Kirby only lasted 5 innings tonight. They are not putting in the quality starts that they were earlier this season.

 

[Crizilla]

Garver and Haniger will be on the roster next season as well

 

[Threedee]

Bullpen came to pitch batting practice.

 

[Chapow]

Anyone who thinks failings aren’t really on the manager needs to look at the end of last nights game… you put in a guy who is struggling mightily in a pinch hit situation like that. A guy who has vocally said he is affected by fan death threats against him. He is clearly in a bad place mentally and you magnify the situation by putting him in at the end of the game???

Baffling move by Scott..

Servais replaces Luke Raiey with Mitch Garver in the 9th as a pinch hitter b/c of the Left pitcher righty batter matchup.

Is this reason correct?

You folks know more than I do.

Is this video correct?

That video is a great example of someone ignoring facts and stats in favor of feelings and opinions.

Here are their splits against lefties since July 1st.


So yeah, I hated the decision to PH Garver in that situation also because of how badly he's struggling, but you sure as shit can't leave Raley in there.

What do you think had a bigger impact on the outcome of the game? The fact that the M's scored 1 run in the first 8 2/3rds innings of the game, or pinch hitting Garver for a guy hitting .056 against lefties over the past 5 weeks?

The offense just isn't good enough. You're not going to win many games scoring only 1 or 2 runs and hoping for a miracle with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Servais replaces Luke Raiey with Mitch Garver in the 9th as a pinch hitter b/c of the Left pitcher righty batter matchup.

Is this reason correct?

You folks know more than I do.

Is this video correct?

Do you know stats? Do you know the stats for Raley vs LHP since July 1 compared to Garver? Or u just blabbing.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

That video is a great example of someone ignoring facts and stats in favor of feelings and opinions.

Here are their splits against lefties since July 1st.
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So yeah, I hated the decision to PH Garver in that situation also because of how badly he's struggling, but you sure as shit can't leave Raley in there.

What do you think had a bigger impact on the outcome of the game? The fact that the M's scored 1 run in the first 8 2/3rds innings of the game, or pinch hitting Garver for a guy hitting .056 against lefties over the past 5 weeks?

The offense just isn't good enough. You're not going to win many games scoring only 1 or 2 runs and hoping for a miracle with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.

Great stats. I posted this earlier but i suck at links. So thank u.

 

[Chapow]

It would be nice to see Servais get a shot to manage a complete team with a decent lineup, but since that's clearly not going to happen in Seattle, sure, fire his ass. I'd love to see someone else do a better job with one of the worst lineups in MLB and a mediocre BP that has a habit of collapsing late in close games.

 

[onanygivensunday]

The team sucked this evening... all the way around.

Bad choices by Servais for who pitched in relief. Two straight walks to lead off the top of the 8th were doomed. That's where the game was lost.... pathetic!

 

[Chapow]

The team sucked this evening... all the way around.

Yep.

Bad choices by Servais for who pitched in relief. Two straight walks to lead off the top of the 8th were doomed. That's where the game was lost.... pathetic!

Can't really lose the game in the 8th (actually 9th) when you never had a lead in the first place and only scored 2 runs in the entire game.

Once again, the offense is the biggest problem and deserves the lions share of the blame. 2 runs isn't going to get it done most of the time, and obviously isn't going to get it done when your SP gives up 3 runs in the first 4 innings.

 

[Crizilla]

For whatever reason baseball managers/coaches get the least blame in all the sports. The rebuild started in 2019 I haven't seen anything offensively speaking . No development. No nothing. Just dudes leaving for other teams or playing like crap . This coaching staff needs a line up full of veteran players who already know how to play the game because THIS STAFF DOESN'T DEVELOP. I'm worried honestly. This staff is going to develop our young hitting farm? It's laughable. Servais has no feel for the game can't read players or identify momentum and rarely wins gut feeling calls. Everything is about match ups and analytics with these dudes. No actual reading and knowing your players. Every player is a robot that gets plugged into a different spot in the line up every day. There's nothing going on. It's boring to watch. If they miss the playoffs clean the entire coaching staff. Everyone. Outta here.

 

[Vesuve]

Do you know stats? Do you know the stats for Raley vs LHP since July 1 compared to Garver? Or u just blabbing.

I'm asking not babbling.

And I noted this in my post.

 

[Vesuve]

An article below. Your thoughts?

Mariners Fans Couldn't Believe Manager Scott Servais in Latest Loss, Question Him on X

The Seattle Mariners lost to the Detroit Tigers on Tuesday night, 4-2, at T-Mobile Park. The loss dropped the Mariners to 59-55 on the year and puts them at jus

www.si.com

 

[Chapow]

For whatever reason baseball managers/coaches get the least blame in all the sports.

Yeah, I hardly ever see Servais getting blamed for anything.
That's hilarious, man. Thanks for the laugh.

The rebuild started in 2019 I haven't seen anything offensively speaking . No development. No nothing. Just dudes leaving for other teams or playing like crap . This coaching staff needs a line up full of veteran players who already know how to play the game because THIS STAFF DOESN'T DEVELOP. I'm worried honestly. This staff is going to develop our young hitting farm? It's laughable. Servais has no feel for the game can't read players or identify momentum and rarely wins gut feeling calls. Everything is about match ups and analytics with these dudes. No actual reading and knowing your players. Every player is a robot that gets plugged into a different spot in the line up every day. There's nothing going on. It's boring to watch. If they miss the playoffs clean the entire coaching staff. Everyone. Outta here.

Right on. Like I said, I'm down for that at this point. Clean house from Servais all the way down through the entire coaching staff.

But also like I said, I think you're probably going to see similar results unless you get better players.

Does anyone really believe the lineup Servais had to work with the vast majority of the season would be significantly better if only they had a different manager and coaches?

Does anyone really believe that teams like the O's, Yankees, Dodgers, Royals, etc. have offenses that are so much better than ours merely due to having a superior manager and coaches? Or could it be that the reason they're so much better is that they simply have much better players?

I know, I know, "it's both" is the easy cop out, but what do you think is the biggest factor?

 

[Chapow]

An article below. Your thoughts?

Mariners Fans Couldn't Believe Manager Scott Servais in Latest Loss, Question Him on X

The Seattle Mariners lost to the Detroit Tigers on Tuesday night, 4-2, at T-Mobile Park. The loss dropped the Mariners to 59-55 on the year and puts them at jus

www.si.com

Maybe I'm missing something, but that looks like basically the same thing as the video you posted except in article form instead of video form. Basically, Servais is nuts for pinch hitting Garver for Raley on Tuesday night, right?

Not really sure what else to say. If you really think Servais should have left Raley, a guy hitting .056 against lefties for over a month now, in the game in that situation because he had a big hit against a righty earlier in the game, then cool. That seems nuts to me, but you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Chapow]

Here's what would've happened if Servais had left Raley in the game for that AB and he didn't come through. (Which we all know is by far the most likely outcome, especially for a guy struggling as badly as Raley is against LHP).

"What the hell was Servais thinking? You have to be the dumbest manager in the history of baseball to let Raley hit there. The guy is hitting .050 against LHP, with a .100 OBP and a K rate over 50% over the past 5 weeks. The guy can't hit LHP. Everyone on this coaching staff is clueless, how do you not know that? They conceded the game by letting Raley get that AB. Literally anyone else would have been a better option. No thinking going on, no coaching on. Worst manager in baseball."

"Also, I'm going to completely disregard the entire rest of the game before that final AB and place 100% of the blame for that loss solely and entirely on Servais for letting Raley get that AB against a LHP in that situation."

 

[Hawk-Lock]

I can’t believe we still have to debate this.

The FO does not care about winning. Hence the payroll. Not going after any free agents. The only reason they got Arozarena was because we gave up absolutely nothing. The team is cheap in every way. Money, prospects, you name it. The reason they didn’t add another impact bat was probably because they didn’t want to trade any of the big name prospects.

Only chance we win a WS is if we luck into it. We’d basically need to hit on all our prospects while they’re young before we pay them.

My point is, it doesn’t matter who the manager is. It doesn’t matter if Raley or Garver hit last night. Until the FO actually cared about it winning, our ceiling is basically a wild card team. The only reason winning the division is possible is because how awful it is.

 

[IndyHawk]

Yeah, I hardly ever see Servais getting blamed for anything.
That's hilarious, man. Thanks for the laugh.



Right on. Like I said, I'm down for that at this point. Clean house from Servais all the way down through the entire coaching staff.

But also like I said, I think you're probably going to see similar results unless you get better players.

Does anyone really believe the lineup Servais had to work with the vast majority of the season would be significantly better if only they had a different manager and coaches?

Does anyone really believe that teams like the O's, Yankees, Dodgers, Royals, etc. have offenses that are so much better than ours merely due to having a superior manager and coaches? Or could it be that the reason they're so much better is that they simply have much better players?

I know, I know, "it's both" is the easy cop out, but what do you think is the biggest factor?

Highlighted - We have the pitching and D to go all the way but not enough hitters.
I've said it before, the hitters are going to coming up from the minors together.
A few are at Everett right now but yes it's a year out roughly but if we can get another
hitter this season with JRod coming back soon, I think we can make a big run.
Do not forget teams can still make trades through waivers btw.