Who does Seattle pick at #5? (Poll)

[scutterhawk]

Consistency, I can appreciate that. And it's great entertainment value when fans think they know more than Pete and John. When in reality, no they don't, at all.
And people legit think they know more than the front office, and believe it. Good stuff.

Except IF they keep GeNo, right Fish? LOL

 

[Chawker]

I'd like to see us trade back to 9th pick, take Bresee DT, then take OG O' Cyrus Torrence after trading back again.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Agreed. However, the draftniks here 99% of the time will tell you that there was a better player to be taken where we picked. Some of them ad nauseum for the better part of a decade.

Yes, the "experts" who are great at hindsight telling us all the amazing players they mocked at your team's position years afterwards..........but aren't so good at all their terrible picks.

The draft hit rate on NFL starters coming out of the draft that were even considered to be at the "good" level is barely 12%. "Great"? 7%.

NFL Draft Pick Bust Rate Remains Very High

More analytics haven’t increased the success rate

www.dailynorseman.com

And these are picked by the most skilled and intelligent NFL GM's with who have unlimited resources and money at their disposal to spend on assistants and scouting departments.

So it only makes sense that you do what Schneider and other successful GM's do, leverage their picks to accumulate more picks to drive up that success rate through sheer volume.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Except IF they keep GeNo, right Fish? LOL

I want them to keep Geno. At the right price. 20-25 a year for 2 years. Max.
Cool story though.

 

[massari]

I completely agree, but what if going into the draft they already gave Geno and Lock signed? I would much rather have Stroud or Young over Geno as starter, but if he's under contract that would be a tough call

Could be this generations version of Wilson vs Flynn, which would be fun

 

[massari]

A LOT of GM's do this, in fact most successful GM's are like this. They know it's not about where you are necessarily, but volume, especially early in rounds.

The Chiefs, Bills, 49ers GMs all traded a king's ransom for Mahomes Allen and Lance. Bengals, Jags, Chargers stayed put for Burrow, Lawrence and Herbert. Would be surprising if JS trades down with Stroud/Young still on the board, especially because they never usually have opportunities to select quality QB prospects.

With only one quarterback selected in eight years, Schneider doesn’t feel he’s done a good enough job of bringing quarterbacks to Seattle.

“I don’t feel like we have — and me, personally — have done a good enough job of continuing to acquire quarterbacks all the way through,” Schneider said

And ever since the Packers had to scramble in search of reason why Aaron Rodgers was dropping in the 2005 NFL Draft, Schneider has vowed to make sure he knew everything he could about the quarterbacks in the draft. Even if his team already had a starter set in stone.

 

[massari]

Agreed. However, the draftniks here 99% of the time will tell you that there was a better player to be taken where we picked. Some of them ad nauseum for the better part of a decade.

And anonymous QB gurus on message boards will tell you how trash Wilson was ad nauseum despite Schneider and Carroll thinking highly enough of him to make the highest paid player in the league. They also know more about the QB position than John Elway and Paton

 

[Maelstrom787]

With me it's more to do with how Schneider drafts, rather than just taking the 5th best player.

No one in here, or in the sports media knows. But John's track record says unless there's a generational game changing player at 5? He's trading down.

Which is what he should do if he thinks the next tier of players isn't worthy of staying at 5.

See, I can't hop on board with that. Not all the way.

I think John's track record says he's actually extremely hesitant to trade out of top-10 range, considering that he's never done so.

He also has not traded his top pick down a single time in the past 3 years.

He'll default to trade down to obtain additional selections, but never at the cost of completely vacating a "talent tier" and everything they've ever done hints at them valuing the top 10 to 15 selections in a draft class and then seeing the next tier as much larger (usually viewing 20ish to 45ish as nearly identical overall) it seems

 

[Hawkinaz]

And anonymous QB gurus on message boards will tell you how trash Wilson was ad nauseum despite Schneider and Carroll thinking highly enough of him to make the highest paid player in the league. They also know more about the QB position than John Elway and Paton

It was JS that thought highly of him, Pete had to be talked into it intially Pete wanted nothing to do with a short QB according to reports. The funny thing is Jacksonville had taken a punter with the previous selection

 

[Mick063]

And anonymous QB gurus on message boards will tell you how trash Wilson was ad nauseum despite Schneider and Carroll thinking highly enough of him to make the highest paid player in the league. They also know more about the QB position than John Elway and Paton

They paid him after his rookie deal. When he could still run. That was eons ago. Before he turned into a pudgy movie star whose notorious spin move evolved from miraculous escapes to just another sack. Pete and John regretted that contract and moved on when the time came to renew. If Denver had it all over to do again, they......wouldn't.

I agree with you. Schnieder and Carroll were absolutely right. Wilson was not worth keeping. I agree with you on another point you made. They know more about the position than the Denver brass does. That is why the trade is called the fleecing of the century. Quarter billion dollars, two first and second round picks, two starters and a backup QB in trade for the 29th ranked QBR. The surprise story of the season. Who in their right mind would think that this "anonymous gurus are dead wrong about Wilson" argument is defendable?

 

[suppaball]

If Stroud is there at 5 we have to take him. To many unknowns with Geno.
Yes Geno could continue to play at this level, it is also possible that Geno could have his play fall off a cliff. It happens a lot it’s called a one year wonder.
I also know that Stroud could bust, but his film against Georgia is very good. Personally I like the idea of a top level rookie prospect as a fall back if Geno does in fact return to being old Geno.

 

[Chawker]

Strouds stock is falling and Levis stock is raising. Who's better beats me.

 

[Sun Tzu]

If Stroud is there at 5 we have to take him. To many unknowns with Geno.
Yes Geno could continue to play at this level, it is also possible that Geno could have his play fall off a cliff. It happens a lot it’s called a one year wonder.
I also know that Stroud could bust, but his film against Georgia is very good. Personally I like the idea of a top level rookie prospect as a fall back if Geno does in fact return to being old Geno.

Have to? What does that mean? Why do we have to take him? What dire irreversible consequence results from not taking Stroud if he is there at 5?

 

[Ozzy]

Have to? What does that mean? Why do we have to take him? What dire irreversible consequence results from not taking Stroud if he is there at 5?

I don’t see the need to be obtuse. He was just stating his opinion that passing on stroud in his opinion would be crazy. I think many feel that way and it’s a fair take.

 

[Ozzy]

Strouds stock is falling and Levis stock is raising. Who's better beats me.

Yeah who knows. I’m fascinated to see how John feels about it if a couple of them make it to the 5th pick.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

Strouds stock is falling and Levis stock is raising. Who's better beats me.

The combine will reshuffle the order most likely.

Stroud, Levis, and Richardson should do well in the underwear Olympics.

The wildcard is Young. Does he look like a little brother alongside the Adonis(s) or does he get swole and come in pushing 200# ?

Unless Young comes in looking close to a combine Russ, he could easily drop to the bottom of tier 1 QBs.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

For reference:

 

[Sun Tzu]

For reference:

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Damn, Russ looks good in orange and navy

 

[Atradees]

I dont want a short QB. Defense please. We have so much offense we can compete with anyone! What if Walker and Penny were a 1 and two punch?
I want a great center.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I dont want a short QB. Defense please. We have so much offense we can compete with anyone! What if Walker and Penny were a 1 and two punch?
I want a great center.