Who does Seattle pick at #5? (Poll)

[Hawk4life]

Bryce Young stats: 162.4 QB rating, 75-12 TD-INT, 8.7 ypa, 8,035 pass yards, 7 rush TDs
C.J. Stroud stats: 182.0 QB rating, 81-12 TD-INT, 9.8 ypa, 7,775 pass yards, 69.3% completion
Will Levis stats: 145.6 QB rating, 46-25 TD-INT, 5,876 pass yards, 64.9% completion, 8.0 ypa
Anthony Richardson stats (passing): 133.6 QB rating, 24-15 TD-INT, 3,105 pass yards

I think these stats pretty much speak for themselves. It is tougher to explain why Young is ranked higher than Stroud than why Levis is ranked higher than Richardson. Both have had issues taking care of the ball.

If we do go defensive with our #5 pick, there is a chance Hendon Hooker will be on the board at 20.
Hendon Hooker stats (2021-’22): 178.3 QB rating, 58-5 TD-INT, 6,080 pass yards

 

[seatownlowdown]

I think these stats pretty much speak for themselves.

do they though? were the playing fields equal?

so why have all the prior ohio state qbs failed? why is jalen hurts the first from bama' in recent memory to succeed at qb?

and if evaluation was that simple, and college stats were the only indicator of future success, then anybody could be a gm or scout. but it's far more nuanced than that. one has to dig deep into the tape, understand the concepts and conditions each qb is subjected to. each play and circumstance must be taken into consideration.

you really think cj stroud or bryce young would put up the same numbers or have the same efficiency as the QB of kentucky? you don't think will levis' stats wouldn't have been far better with an alabama or ohio state team with the better coaching + with 1st and 2nd rounders supporting him? do you really think will levis was healthy this year? i can go on and on about how their situations weren't close to the same.

it's like saying geno was the only reason for geno's success this year. the playcalling, gameplan, prior experience, and weapons had nothing to do with his production over prior seasons.

If we do go defensive with our #5 pick, there is a chance Hendon Hooker will be on the board at 20.
Hendon Hooker stats (2021-’22): 178.3 QB rating, 58-5 TD-INT, 6,080 pass yards

i really like hendon hooker too. i watched 5-6 tennessee games this year and his play was smart and solid. however he is already 25 years old, and probably miss the next nfl season (as he tore his acl in november). so he'll be 26+ by the time he would be ready to go. he will DEFINITELY be on the board at #20. but he will also potentially be on the board at pick #51, too. i do think he'd be a worthwhile investment if we re-sign geno and pass on qb at #5. somebody that could be stashed and learn the system for a year or two.

 

[Hawk4life]

It is all pretty much a crap shoot when you think about. I still am shocked that Russ turned out to be such a good fit for what we needed to win a super bowl. Drafting Hooker not only validates keeping Geno (if we can afford him) but gives Hooker a year to heal and study under a veteran Hawks QB. I wouldn't be against giving Geno another season as the team develops.

 

[KinesProf]

Bryce Young stats: 162.4 QB rating, 75-12 TD-INT, 8.7 ypa, 8,035 pass yards, 7 rush TDs
C.J. Stroud stats: 182.0 QB rating, 81-12 TD-INT, 9.8 ypa, 7,775 pass yards, 69.3% completion
Will Levis stats: 145.6 QB rating, 46-25 TD-INT, 5,876 pass yards, 64.9% completion, 8.0 ypa
Anthony Richardson stats (passing): 133.6 QB rating, 24-15 TD-INT, 3,105 pass yards

I think these stats pretty much speak for themselves. It is tougher to explain why Young is ranked higher than Stroud than why Levis is ranked higher than Richardson. Both have had issues taking care of the ball.

If we do go defensive with our #5 pick, there is a chance Hendon Hooker will be on the board at 20.
Hendon Hooker stats (2021-’22): 178.3 QB rating, 58-5 TD-INT, 6,080 pass yards

Yeah, I don't agree with Levis ahead of Richardson. At all.

Levis is 24 in June and has been in college since 2018. That age doesn't concern me at the QB position; what concerns me is that that far into his development he should have a mature seasoned game and yet still makes bad decisions and is sloppy with the rock. Entering your mid-20s and 5 years out of High School I'm not sure you're going to able to shake that aspect of your game. And poor ball security is pretty much Pete's biggest pet peeve.

With Richardson, he is so raw and inexperienced, that I think you can mold him to be exactly what you want.

 

[WarHawks]

How about going DL with our #5, and then use some of our draft capital to trade up from 20 to get Richardson? That said, Hooker makes sense also, especially if we could get him in the 2nd. In fact, a draft profile I read said his closest comparison to someone in the NFL is Geno. So basically, he's a 7 year younger, extremely accurate version of Geno, but coming off an ACL injury.

 

[ivotuk]

I would love for them to actually choose someone there as there will be some difference makers there for our defense.

However, I think we get too many good offers to trade out and we have a lot of needs at the line of scrimmage primarily, and then the linebacking group. We need more picks and trading out is our best option given how little money we have for free agents.

Pretty much agree completely. I think Anthony Richardson is going to be a bust. Great athletic skills, but doesn't have experience playing the position of QB. He's getting bumped up based solely on athletic traits, ala Jamarcus Russell.

Jalen Carter gives me Quenton Coples vibes, as in he had a breakout 2nd year on a good DLine, but then throttled it back in his 3rd year. Rumors had it he was protecting himself for the draft. Rex Ryan said "Coples is out on the field during practice giving me those Puppy Dog Eyes, so I worked him even harder." Major bust.

I think we sign Geno, and look for a QB (Drake Maye) in 2024. Hence my desire to trade back and get a 2024 1st round pick.

 

[seatownlowdown]

Yeah, I don't agree with Levis ahead of Richardson. At all.

Levis is 24 in June and has been in college since 2018. That age doesn't concern me at the QB position; what concerns me is that that far into his development he should have a mature seasoned game and yet still makes bad decisions and is sloppy with the rock. Entering your mid-20s and 5 years out of High School I'm not sure you're going to able to shake that aspect of your game. And poor ball security is pretty much Pete's biggest pet peeve.

With Richardson, he is so raw and inexperienced, that I think you can mold him to be exactly what you want.

but do you think that's pete's prerogative? to take somebody at #5 (he ain't lasting to #20) that raw at QB? a QB that needs serious 'molding'? at this stage of the franchise? look, i think richardson has the highest ceiling of all qbs in the draft. impeccable physical tools and what seems like a drive to be great. richardson would be fun, can't wait to see his combine #'s. but that's gotta be 2+ years of nurture. do pete and john have that kind of time? probably not if they keep running out poor defenses like they have.

the pertinent question really is this: what are pete and john's window? what year are they targeting to do damage and make a run? 2023? that would be truly wishful thinking on their part. 2024 has to be the target season. and even by 2024's season, richardson would still need the time and necessary in-game opportunities to develop as a QB. despite their warts, will levis / stroud are just more ready to go.

 

[Blazin Hawk]

Would love to trade down a few picks, add a day two picks (or 2) and still land Murphy or Wilson.

 

[massari]

Will will Levis (that's weird to type) be the next Josh Allen or Zach Wilson?

Jim Nagy (scout) says teams see Will Levis similar to Josh Allen minus the ability to make improvisational plays when things break down. Which is concerning considering that's a big part to what makes Allen so elite. Also the fact he'll be 24 in his rookie year.....

 

[Ozzy]

Levis played behind a terrible O-Line this past year. That is the main reason why this past season was kind of underwhelming for him compared to his junior year.

And he looked awesome in the same offense Seattle runs with ties to the Rams system.
Levis may very well bust but hating on him because he had no supporting cast in the SEC I think is a mistake. Put him on Ohio at or Alabama and he puts up monster numbers.

 

[CouchLogic]

...and selecting all defensive players in the draft and have them magically develop into the next LOB over the off season is just asking a bit too much.

I agree with the Geno stuff, but I don't think it matters if we have him for a year or two. But, it took the LOB a few years to really gel on/off the field. By the time 2022 and 2023 (maybe 24'?) is ready to make a real run, I would think this is when you plug in the young QB. Throw a bunch of money at any holes/gaps and go for the rings. I know everyone wants a SB trophy next year, but it just isn't quite there yet. If it were me, when the time comes I'm throwing as much money at DL as possible. I think a constant rotation of pass rushers is key (personally). Seattle has Uchenna...and...??? He can't dominate by himself for four quarters.

 

[BASF]

And he looked awesome in the same offense Seattle runs with ties to the Rams system.
Levis may very well bust but hating on him because he had no supporting cast in the SEC I think is a mistake. Put him on Ohio at or Alabama and he puts up monster numbers.

Question, have you watched his games or have you watched his highlights?

 

[ElvisInBlue]

How about going DL with our #5, and then use some of our draft capital to trade up from 20 to get Richardson? That said, Hooker makes sense also, especially if we could get him in the 2nd. In fact, a draft profile I read said his closest comparison to someone in the NFL is Geno. So basically, he's a 7 year younger, extremely accurate version of Geno, but coming off an ACL injury.

Assuming he tests like he should…Richardson will go higher than 20 on potential alone.

Pre injury Hooker was likely a 3rd rounder due to age and style of offense. Post injury he could easily drop a couple rounds from there.

 

[Ozzy]

Question, have you watched his games or have you watched his highlights?

Mostly highlights but he looked good two years ago and most scouts seem to agree? But to be transparent I haven’t had a chance to watch full game tape although if work allows tomorrow I’m going to sneak some in

 

[Sun Tzu]

And he looked awesome in the same offense Seattle runs with ties to the Rams system.
Levis may very well bust but hating on him because he had no supporting cast in the SEC I think is a mistake. Put him on Ohio at or Alabama and he puts up monster numbers.

Can't put up monster numbers from the bench.

 

[Spohawks]

I wouldn't take Murphy in the 1st or 2nd round...he just screams bust to me.

Some HUGE name is going to slip to 5 and the hawk fans are going to go nuts!

I am not a jersey guy but I said "If we draft Tubbs, I am getting his jersey"
The name is just awesome.

Now if we draft Hooker...I am headed back to the store!

 

[SonicHawk]

Mostly highlights but he looked good two years ago and most scouts seem to agree? But to be transparent I haven’t had a chance to watch full game tape although if work allows tomorrow I’m going to sneak some in

WIll Levis vs Top 25 (Final Standings)

20/31 | 206 | 1/1
16/27 | 98 | 0/3
17/23 | 230 | 1/1
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53 / 81 (65%) | 178 YDS AVG | 2 TD / 5 INT

Only threw for 300 yards vs NIU, YSU & Miami (OH). He also ran for -107 yards this year.

 

[Ozzy]

WIll Levis vs Top 25 (Final Standings)

20/31 | 206 | 1/1
16/27 | 98 | 0/3
17/23 | 230 | 1/1
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53 / 81 (65%) | 178 YDS AVG | 2 TD / 5 INT

Only threw for 300 yards vs NIU, YSU & Miami (OH). He also ran for -107 yards this year.

But he played for a terrible team. I remember the same thing being said about Allen, Matt Ryan, Mahomes threw a lot of picks on a decent team and if you want to go way back Favre and Simms were similar. I get it the concern. Im concerned too it’s just 3-4 guys who have a track record of being good at evaluating QB really like him so it makes me think

If Schneider passes then I’m confident he will bust and if he takes him I also feel good about it. I strangely have too much trust in JS when it comes to QB lol

 

[BASF]

But he played for a terrible team. I remember the same thing being said about Allen, Matt Ryan, Mahomes threw a lot of picks on a decent team and if you want to go way back Favre and Simms were similar. I get it the concern. Im concerned too it’s just 3-4 guys who have a track record of being good at evaluating QB really like him so it makes me think

If Schneider passes then I’m confident he will bust and if he takes him I also feel good about it. I strangely have too much trust in JS when it comes to QB lol

Most of this is predicated on the Wilson drafting, Mahomes and Allen pro days. And then the report that they wanted to trade Wilson so they could draft Allen. Here's the thing, if they wanted to draft Allen, why is there no corresponding reports of them trying to trade Wilson to grab 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 where Allen was drafted? They wanted Mayfield and when the Browns decided to draft him, they didn't try to go after Allen. I still don't know if I trust the report from one source (sure it's Chris Simms that reported it, but one source) saying that they talked to the Browns about the trade. Them being willing to trade Russell Wilson at his height of play and popularity to draft major bust Baker Mayfield makes me doubt their evaluation. Also, I sincerely doubt Mahomes becomes the Mahomes we know under the Seahawks instead of in Andy Reid's system that makes almost every QB look good.

 

[Ozzy]

Most of this is predicated on the Wilson drafting, Mahomes and Allen pro days. And then the report that they wanted to trade Wilson so they could draft Allen. Here's the thing, if they wanted to draft Allen, why is there no corresponding reports of them trying to trade Wilson to grab 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 where Allen was drafted? They wanted Mayfield and when the Browns decided to draft him, they didn't try to go after Allen. I still don't know if I trust the report from one source (sure it's Chris Simms that reported it, but one source) saying that they talked to the Browns about the trade. Them being willing to trade Russell Wilson at his height of play and popularity to draft major bust Baker Mayfield makes me doubt their evaluation. Also, I sincerely doubt Mahomes becomes the Mahomes we know under the Seahawks instead of in Andy Reid's system that makes almost every QB look good.

Oh I fully admit its a blind faith lol and it all could very well be false. I'm just trying to concince myself they won't screw up this position they're in for my mental health. In fact I honestly agree with everything you wrote.

I have been super critical of their drafting because outside of last year its just been flat out bad in my opinion even when factoring in the usual arguments like they pick low every year. My gut says this comes down to the power struggle between Pete and John on what they do and I'm in the minority but I think Pete could screw this up and set the franchise back and I hope that doesn't happen.